Fieldcraft Seeking a little help.
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Re: Seeking a little help.
Your recruiter F'd you. Since only 0300's can be snipers, and of all the 0300 maybe .05% of them are snipers your chances are slim. Never heard of presign, except for a certain field like 0300, 3500, 5800 etc.etc.etc. just the basic field that you are going into. If you wear glasses you MUST get eye surgery. No glasses allowed.
USMC Basic Scout Sniper School Pre-Regs
These are the basics, Units vary with Indocs and Pre-Reqs.
Minimum Requirements: As per HQMC School Quota Message:
Criteria: 60 days prior to a class convening, the G-3 at each division will receive a message from HQMC stating the number of funded quotas given to each division, the gear list, report date, and criteria for attending. THE FOLLOWING PREREQUISITES MUST BE MET BY THE REPORTING MARINE OR HE WILL BE RETURNED TO HIS UNIT:
1. Lance Corporal through Captain.
2. Infantry MOS or MOS 0203.
3. Vision correctable to 20/20 in both eyes. Color blindness is discouraged.
4. Serving in or designated for assignment to a Scout Sniper billet.
5. Minimum of 12 months remaining on current contract upon completion of course
(Does not apply to reservist)
6. Must score a First Class PFT on course convene date.
7. Current rifle Expert. Must have qualified in the last fiscal year.
(Reservist can have a score three years old, but must be current Expert)
8. No courts martials or NJP within the last six months.
9. Minimum GT of 100.
10. No history of mental illness.
11. Must be a volunteer.
12. It is HIGHLY recommended, but not required, for the student to have completed the following MCI courses: Land Navigation, Patrolling, Calling and Adjusting Supporting Arms, and Reconnaissance Marine. It is also recommended but not required that the student have conducted basic Scout Sniper field skills: stalks, consealment, field sketches, range cards, range estimations, and firing of the M-40A1 prior to attending the course. Students should also posses a high degree of maturity, equanimity, and common sense.
13. Bottom line: the best, most experienced infantry you can send.
Marine Corps PFT: For a perfect score: 3 mile run in 18 minutes, 20 deadhang pull-ups(No Swinging), 100 sit-up/crunchs under two minutes.
Swim Qual: 500 meter swim using side or breast stroke, 50 meter swim holding a weight out of water, tread water for 30 seconds holding a weight out of water, no signs of panic.
Two of the better ways of becoming a Scout/Sniper are through a Recon unit or an Infantry Battalion. First join the Marine Corps with an Infantry MOS. While in Boot Camp you will need to shoot Expert on the rifle range, become at least a second class swimmer and score a high first class PFT. Upon completion of Infantry training you will be given the opportunity to volunteer for Recon or Force Recon. If you successfully complete their indoc you will be sent to a Recon unit where you will first qualify as a Recon Marine then given the opportunity to volunteer for Scout/Sniper School. BN Recon and Force Recon have school seats assigned to them for every S/S School
This is the best I could find on the net. If i was at my unit i could access the actual S/S site. But its restricted to military CAC card computers.
Yep....another damn recruiter lies....so sad
Good luck to you tho.
Your recruiter F'd you. Since only 0300's can be snipers, and of all the 0300 maybe .05% of them are snipers your chances are slim. Never heard of presign, except for a certain field like 0300, 3500, 5800 etc.etc.etc. just the basic field that you are going into. If you wear glasses you MUST get eye surgery. No glasses allowed.
USMC Basic Scout Sniper School Pre-Regs
These are the basics, Units vary with Indocs and Pre-Reqs.
Minimum Requirements: As per HQMC School Quota Message:
Criteria: 60 days prior to a class convening, the G-3 at each division will receive a message from HQMC stating the number of funded quotas given to each division, the gear list, report date, and criteria for attending. THE FOLLOWING PREREQUISITES MUST BE MET BY THE REPORTING MARINE OR HE WILL BE RETURNED TO HIS UNIT:
1. Lance Corporal through Captain.
2. Infantry MOS or MOS 0203.
3. Vision correctable to 20/20 in both eyes. Color blindness is discouraged.
4. Serving in or designated for assignment to a Scout Sniper billet.
5. Minimum of 12 months remaining on current contract upon completion of course
(Does not apply to reservist)
6. Must score a First Class PFT on course convene date.
7. Current rifle Expert. Must have qualified in the last fiscal year.
(Reservist can have a score three years old, but must be current Expert)
8. No courts martials or NJP within the last six months.
9. Minimum GT of 100.
10. No history of mental illness.
11. Must be a volunteer.
12. It is HIGHLY recommended, but not required, for the student to have completed the following MCI courses: Land Navigation, Patrolling, Calling and Adjusting Supporting Arms, and Reconnaissance Marine. It is also recommended but not required that the student have conducted basic Scout Sniper field skills: stalks, consealment, field sketches, range cards, range estimations, and firing of the M-40A1 prior to attending the course. Students should also posses a high degree of maturity, equanimity, and common sense.
13. Bottom line: the best, most experienced infantry you can send.
Marine Corps PFT: For a perfect score: 3 mile run in 18 minutes, 20 deadhang pull-ups(No Swinging), 100 sit-up/crunchs under two minutes.
Swim Qual: 500 meter swim using side or breast stroke, 50 meter swim holding a weight out of water, tread water for 30 seconds holding a weight out of water, no signs of panic.
Two of the better ways of becoming a Scout/Sniper are through a Recon unit or an Infantry Battalion. First join the Marine Corps with an Infantry MOS. While in Boot Camp you will need to shoot Expert on the rifle range, become at least a second class swimmer and score a high first class PFT. Upon completion of Infantry training you will be given the opportunity to volunteer for Recon or Force Recon. If you successfully complete their indoc you will be sent to a Recon unit where you will first qualify as a Recon Marine then given the opportunity to volunteer for Scout/Sniper School. BN Recon and Force Recon have school seats assigned to them for every S/S School
This is the best I could find on the net. If i was at my unit i could access the actual S/S site. But its restricted to military CAC card computers.
Yep....another damn recruiter lies....so sad
Good luck to you tho.
Re: Seeking a little help.
Everything you need to know these guys can tell you. All former/present S/S
http://www.usmcscoutsniper.org/hogsden/hogsden_main.htm
Everything you need to know these guys can tell you. All former/present S/S
http://www.usmcscoutsniper.org/hogsden/hogsden_main.htm
Re: Seeking a little help.
Ummmmm YEAH RIGHT, the sniper MOS is no longer 8541...its now 0317. You cant sign a contract with the USMC to go straight to that MOS, your recruiter either fucked you or you are just plain full of shit....im leaning towards the latter.
Ummmmm YEAH RIGHT, the sniper MOS is no longer 8541...its now 0317. You cant sign a contract with the USMC to go straight to that MOS, your recruiter either fucked you or you are just plain full of shit....im leaning towards the latter.
Re: Seeking a little help.
Now it's been a little over a decade since I signed on the dotted line, and things may have changed sicne I did, but I'm pretty damn sure you just guaranteed yourself an 0311 spot.
Now it's been a little over a decade since I signed on the dotted line, and things may have changed sicne I did, but I'm pretty damn sure you just guaranteed yourself an 0311 spot.
Re: Seeking a little help.
You can't go Force Recon anymore. The only Force Recon is 4th Force and they are reservists. You can have a predesignated 0321 MOS (only for reservists), but if you fail the indoc or BRC, you go to a reserve infantry battalion as an 0311.
You can't go Force Recon anymore. The only Force Recon is 4th Force and they are reservists. You can have a predesignated 0321 MOS (only for reservists), but if you fail the indoc or BRC, you go to a reserve infantry battalion as an 0311.
Re: Seeking a little help.
Do pullups. That is the best advice any future marine can get if advancement is his goal. Pullups, run, crunches, pullups and PULLUPS. Try to be doing 20+ before you ship.
The Corps will teach you anything and everything you will need to know, but they can't teach you to be stronger, especially in a short 3 months.
Pullups. That is all.
Do pullups. That is the best advice any future marine can get if advancement is his goal. Pullups, run, crunches, pullups and PULLUPS. Try to be doing 20+ before you ship.
The Corps will teach you anything and everything you will need to know, but they can't teach you to be stronger, especially in a short 3 months.
Pullups. That is all.
Re: Seeking a little help.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Never underestimate the power of STUPID people in large groups....</div></div>
You should be more worried about this:
Don't make shit up... don't try to be someone you're not...Do lots of PT...work hard... learn everything you can... research and practice on your own time...and you can do whatever you set your mind do... within realistic limitations.... and subject to the needs of the department of defense...
Disclaimer: Never was a Marine... I am speaking in general terms...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Never underestimate the power of STUPID people in large groups....</div></div>
You should be more worried about this:
Don't make shit up... don't try to be someone you're not...Do lots of PT...work hard... learn everything you can... research and practice on your own time...and you can do whatever you set your mind do... within realistic limitations.... and subject to the needs of the department of defense...
Disclaimer: Never was a Marine... I am speaking in general terms...
Re: Seeking a little help.
Yeah its 0317 now and your recruiter pretty much bent you over his desk and had his way with you. To prepare for bootcamp you should really thrash yourself do push ups, crunches and pull ups in a cycle without resting. Running should be one of your main activities right now, get your runs up to 6 or more miles and swim as often as possible.
Yeah its 0317 now and your recruiter pretty much bent you over his desk and had his way with you. To prepare for bootcamp you should really thrash yourself do push ups, crunches and pull ups in a cycle without resting. Running should be one of your main activities right now, get your runs up to 6 or more miles and swim as often as possible.
Re: Seeking a little help.
AVOID BECOMING A 0313!
If you get into this pigeon hole you will never become a sniper.
AVOID BECOMING A 0313!
If you get into this pigeon hole you will never become a sniper.
Re: Seeking a little help.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The recruiter did not tell me it was an 8541, however, I knew any Marine with a little common sense could figure it out. I just forget some of the numbers and I know it will all be taught in boot... I wanted some advice on how to train myself before I ship.. </div></div>
so why the fuck come on here and LIE...Hey it must be a good idea to come on and say, ive have signed the contract to be an 8541...well we called bullshit and now your playfully trying to back out of what you said. Are you 14? You are probably the dude that makes shit up to sound cool to random people, you were probably SF, NSW, MarSOC or something at one point, right? What you have shown so far only leads me to believe that you are headed down the path of "Stolen Valor". I really hope that you DI destroys your ass, one for being a dumbass, and 2 for being a liar.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The recruiter did not tell me it was an 8541, however, I knew any Marine with a little common sense could figure it out. I just forget some of the numbers and I know it will all be taught in boot... I wanted some advice on how to train myself before I ship.. </div></div>
so why the fuck come on here and LIE...Hey it must be a good idea to come on and say, ive have signed the contract to be an 8541...well we called bullshit and now your playfully trying to back out of what you said. Are you 14? You are probably the dude that makes shit up to sound cool to random people, you were probably SF, NSW, MarSOC or something at one point, right? What you have shown so far only leads me to believe that you are headed down the path of "Stolen Valor". I really hope that you DI destroys your ass, one for being a dumbass, and 2 for being a liar.
Re: Seeking a little help.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The recruiter did not tell me it was an 8541, however, I knew any Marine with a little common sense could figure it out. I just forget some of the numbers and I know it will all be taught in boot... I wanted some advice on how to train myself before I ship.. </div></div>
so why the fuck come on here and LIE...Hey it must be a good idea to come on and say, ive have signed the contract to be an 8541...well we called bullshit and now your playfully trying to back out of what you said. Are you 14? You are probably the dude that makes shit up to sound cool to random people, you were probably SF, NSW, MarSOC or something at one point, right? What you have shown so far only leads me to believe that you are headed down the path of "Stolen Valor". I really hope that you DI destroys your ass, one for being a dumbass, and 2 for being a liar.</div></div>
+1,000
After the next time we shoot together, remind me to buy you a beer. LMAO!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The recruiter did not tell me it was an 8541, however, I knew any Marine with a little common sense could figure it out. I just forget some of the numbers and I know it will all be taught in boot... I wanted some advice on how to train myself before I ship.. </div></div>
so why the fuck come on here and LIE...Hey it must be a good idea to come on and say, ive have signed the contract to be an 8541...well we called bullshit and now your playfully trying to back out of what you said. Are you 14? You are probably the dude that makes shit up to sound cool to random people, you were probably SF, NSW, MarSOC or something at one point, right? What you have shown so far only leads me to believe that you are headed down the path of "Stolen Valor". I really hope that you DI destroys your ass, one for being a dumbass, and 2 for being a liar.</div></div>
+1,000
After the next time we shoot together, remind me to buy you a beer. LMAO!
Re: Seeking a little help.
ELIGIBLE =
1.) You get slotted infantry
2.) You meet all requirements
3.) There is a slot open
4.) You are selected to go
Just a heads up... that would work for anyone! Contract or not. On the flip-side, if you don't become eligible for any of the reasons above. You don't go. Since you weren't eligible... the recruiter didn't lie. Welcome to the real world.
ELIGIBLE =
1.) You get slotted infantry
2.) You meet all requirements
3.) There is a slot open
4.) You are selected to go
Just a heads up... that would work for anyone! Contract or not. On the flip-side, if you don't become eligible for any of the reasons above. You don't go. Since you weren't eligible... the recruiter didn't lie. Welcome to the real world.
Re: Seeking a little help.
Open slot? Everywhere in the Corps there is an open slot.
25% of the Corps is replaced every summer.
Your efforts are outstanding. EMAIL me your name and that of your recruiter so that I can help.
Open slot? Everywhere in the Corps there is an open slot.
25% of the Corps is replaced every summer.
Your efforts are outstanding. EMAIL me your name and that of your recruiter so that I can help.
Re: Seeking a little help.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Forty-One</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> EMAIL me your name and that of your recruiter so that I can help. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Forty-One</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> EMAIL me your name and that of your recruiter so that I can help. </div></div>
Re: Seeking a little help.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ass chewing accepted and righteous anger granted but I did make the agreement, and signed on paper (whether legal paper or toilet paper will show later) <span style="font-weight: bold">that when I become more eligable that I WILL be enrolled in SS school.... </span></div></div>
id really love to know what grunt unit you go to because im sure i know someone out there where ever it may be, id gladly show them this, most SSP Chief Scouts will fuck your day sideways for shit like this. First off you havent the foggiest fuckin idea what you are doing. Can you tell me what a back azimuth is, or an attack point, or a FFP, or a E&E kit is, or Max Point Blank, or the max effective (published Marine Corps standard) range of the M40A3? Didnt fuckin think so. YOU ARE NOT GUARENTEED SHIT IN THE MARINE CORPS, you havent signed shit saying that if you become eligible you will be enrolled in SS school. Go elsewhere and try and pull this shit over someones head. You arent suceeding at all. While i commend you for signing something, which isnt a contract because you cant legally sign that contract until you are 17 and your parents must sign as well, or you are 18 and have the "big boy" power and can sign on your own. YOU HAVENT SIGNED DICK, you are in the wrong fucking place to say "I have signed up to be an 8541 and i have a GAP M40A5, blow me dude, im calling bullshit on both accounts.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McCrazy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
+1,000
After the next time we shoot together, remind me to buy you a beer. LMAO! </div></div>
Roger that, will definitely be reminding you of that one
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ass chewing accepted and righteous anger granted but I did make the agreement, and signed on paper (whether legal paper or toilet paper will show later) <span style="font-weight: bold">that when I become more eligable that I WILL be enrolled in SS school.... </span></div></div>
id really love to know what grunt unit you go to because im sure i know someone out there where ever it may be, id gladly show them this, most SSP Chief Scouts will fuck your day sideways for shit like this. First off you havent the foggiest fuckin idea what you are doing. Can you tell me what a back azimuth is, or an attack point, or a FFP, or a E&E kit is, or Max Point Blank, or the max effective (published Marine Corps standard) range of the M40A3? Didnt fuckin think so. YOU ARE NOT GUARENTEED SHIT IN THE MARINE CORPS, you havent signed shit saying that if you become eligible you will be enrolled in SS school. Go elsewhere and try and pull this shit over someones head. You arent suceeding at all. While i commend you for signing something, which isnt a contract because you cant legally sign that contract until you are 17 and your parents must sign as well, or you are 18 and have the "big boy" power and can sign on your own. YOU HAVENT SIGNED DICK, you are in the wrong fucking place to say "I have signed up to be an 8541 and i have a GAP M40A5, blow me dude, im calling bullshit on both accounts.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McCrazy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
+1,000
After the next time we shoot together, remind me to buy you a beer. LMAO! </div></div>
Roger that, will definitely be reminding you of that one
Re: Seeking a little help.
Actually the way I understand it now, because the 0317 MOS is considered a primary MOS you can enlist for this, however the caveat is you still have to pass Sniper School, or they just send you to a line unit anyway.
But as I understand some are going straight to SS from Infantry training, the order of things I am not sure on though. But I have heard this is happening.
As I understood it now, you can enlist with a Sniper option in the USMC
Actually the way I understand it now, because the 0317 MOS is considered a primary MOS you can enlist for this, however the caveat is you still have to pass Sniper School, or they just send you to a line unit anyway.
But as I understand some are going straight to SS from Infantry training, the order of things I am not sure on though. But I have heard this is happening.
As I understood it now, you can enlist with a Sniper option in the USMC
Re: Seeking a little help.
I think its the same as a Recon contract now Frank, you sign as an 03XX with the UZ option which guarentees you a shot at the Recon Indoc, but you dont recieve that 0321 MOS until you pass ARC. Could be wrong, but id think it would be an 03XX contract with the SS option, but its news to me that they are sending people to school straight out of SOI.
I think its the same as a Recon contract now Frank, you sign as an 03XX with the UZ option which guarentees you a shot at the Recon Indoc, but you dont recieve that 0321 MOS until you pass ARC. Could be wrong, but id think it would be an 03XX contract with the SS option, but its news to me that they are sending people to school straight out of SOI.
Re: Seeking a little help.
I have only heard of people on the west coast going to SS straight from SOI, but if I remember right it was happening
The option to attend sounds right, passing is a different story especially when you don't know dick
I have only heard of people on the west coast going to SS straight from SOI, but if I remember right it was happening
The option to attend sounds right, passing is a different story especially when you don't know dick
Re: Seeking a little help.
Start Bear crawling and digging hides to prepare!!! HAHAHA
Shooter21, I like ur confidence but, I quote, "You can EASILY meet the physical requirement." That's just the first class PFT, which in a STA platoon is nothing, They are ALWAYS the most physically fit in the entire battalion. SO KEEP RUNNING (I would suggest putting a ruck on and wearing boots)
Memorize this too:
Marine Scout/Sniper: A Marine highly skilled in fieldcraft and Marksmanship who delivers long range, precision fire on selected targets from concealled positions in support of combat operations.
SEMPER FI FOR ALL U WHO HAD TO MEMORISE THAT ONE
Start Bear crawling and digging hides to prepare!!! HAHAHA
Shooter21, I like ur confidence but, I quote, "You can EASILY meet the physical requirement." That's just the first class PFT, which in a STA platoon is nothing, They are ALWAYS the most physically fit in the entire battalion. SO KEEP RUNNING (I would suggest putting a ruck on and wearing boots)
Memorize this too:
Marine Scout/Sniper: A Marine highly skilled in fieldcraft and Marksmanship who delivers long range, precision fire on selected targets from concealled positions in support of combat operations.
SEMPER FI FOR ALL U WHO HAD TO MEMORISE THAT ONE
Re: Seeking a little help.
I rather suspect that a person coming straight from the SOI is not going to have mastered a number of skills required of a Scout/Sniper at the level which will be required to successfully complete the Scout/Sniper course of instruction.
For example, early in the program of instruction is what is reputed to be a rigorous test of land navigation, which washes out a substantial percentage of the student body.
If I had a serious interest in becoming a Scout/Sniper, I'd commit myself to becoming a highly proficient Marine Infantryman in a line outfit before requesting a shot at the S/S Indoc.
Scout/Sniper is an advanced Marine Infantry skillset. The components of that skillset are not secret. I'd be sure I had a firm grasp of the fundamentals before taking what is likely to be one's only shot at the advanced course.
Bobby Knight said, "The will to win is not nearly as important as the will to prepare to win."
Those who believe that they can go straight from initial training to an advanced level are likely to find that they have not the resources that takes - and that's a truism which is applicable to a many more fields than the Corps.
I rather suspect that a person coming straight from the SOI is not going to have mastered a number of skills required of a Scout/Sniper at the level which will be required to successfully complete the Scout/Sniper course of instruction.
For example, early in the program of instruction is what is reputed to be a rigorous test of land navigation, which washes out a substantial percentage of the student body.
If I had a serious interest in becoming a Scout/Sniper, I'd commit myself to becoming a highly proficient Marine Infantryman in a line outfit before requesting a shot at the S/S Indoc.
Scout/Sniper is an advanced Marine Infantry skillset. The components of that skillset are not secret. I'd be sure I had a firm grasp of the fundamentals before taking what is likely to be one's only shot at the advanced course.
Bobby Knight said, "The will to win is not nearly as important as the will to prepare to win."
Those who believe that they can go straight from initial training to an advanced level are likely to find that they have not the resources that takes - and that's a truism which is applicable to a many more fields than the Corps.
Re: Seeking a little help.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have only heard of people on the west coast going to SS straight from SOI, but if I remember right it was happening
The option to attend sounds right, passing is a different story especially when you don't know dick </div></div>
Unfortunately this does happen now, our platoon commander went to SOI and pulled 4 boots based only on paper. 3 of them ended up being good to go, the other one was an absolute turd. They didn't even have to do an indoc.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have only heard of people on the west coast going to SS straight from SOI, but if I remember right it was happening
The option to attend sounds right, passing is a different story especially when you don't know dick </div></div>
Unfortunately this does happen now, our platoon commander went to SOI and pulled 4 boots based only on paper. 3 of them ended up being good to go, the other one was an absolute turd. They didn't even have to do an indoc.
Re: Seeking a little help.
That sucks man, we got to not only indoc them but also, IF they passed kick them out for just about anything if they screwed up or just didn't gain our confidence on being a reliable and trustworthy ATL/TL. Rarely did we have to keep a turd around very long.
That sucks man, we got to not only indoc them but also, IF they passed kick them out for just about anything if they screwed up or just didn't gain our confidence on being a reliable and trustworthy ATL/TL. Rarely did we have to keep a turd around very long.
Re: Seeking a little help.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vc8541</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have only heard of people on the west coast going to SS straight from SOI, but if I remember right it was happening
The option to attend sounds right, passing is a different story especially when you don't know dick </div></div>
Unfortunately this does happen now, our platoon commander went to SOI and pulled 4 boots based only on paper. 3 of them ended up being good to go, the other one was an absolute turd. They didn't even have to do an indoc. </div></div>
wtf? that's bullshit
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vc8541</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have only heard of people on the west coast going to SS straight from SOI, but if I remember right it was happening
The option to attend sounds right, passing is a different story especially when you don't know dick </div></div>
Unfortunately this does happen now, our platoon commander went to SOI and pulled 4 boots based only on paper. 3 of them ended up being good to go, the other one was an absolute turd. They didn't even have to do an indoc. </div></div>
wtf? that's bullshit
Re: Seeking a little help.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter21</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I have presigned for an 8541 MOS </div></div>
LOL. No one contracts a secondary MOS in the 03 field, and this one no longer exists. Spoke to a friend at Manpower today about this. He laughed louder than I did. Only on the internet can people have this much fun singing nursery rhymes. That said, I do hold some children's songs in very high regard, and the truth is that 'you Shooter' could be shouldering this Nations efforts very soon. Should you make it to a Victor unit and deploy, I will be thinking of you and praying for you a lot. It is hard even without the BS places you will be asked to visit. I thought to provide an example of a good children's song that I like:
<span style="text-decoration: underline">Hanschen Klein</span>
Little Hans goes alone
Out into the wide world.
Looking great with stick and hat
He is in good spirits.
But his mother cries so much,
For she no longer has little Hans.
Thus the child changes its mind,
Turning back home, swiftly.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter21</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I have presigned for an 8541 MOS </div></div>
LOL. No one contracts a secondary MOS in the 03 field, and this one no longer exists. Spoke to a friend at Manpower today about this. He laughed louder than I did. Only on the internet can people have this much fun singing nursery rhymes. That said, I do hold some children's songs in very high regard, and the truth is that 'you Shooter' could be shouldering this Nations efforts very soon. Should you make it to a Victor unit and deploy, I will be thinking of you and praying for you a lot. It is hard even without the BS places you will be asked to visit. I thought to provide an example of a good children's song that I like:
<span style="text-decoration: underline">Hanschen Klein</span>
Little Hans goes alone
Out into the wide world.
Looking great with stick and hat
He is in good spirits.
But his mother cries so much,
For she no longer has little Hans.
Thus the child changes its mind,
Turning back home, swiftly.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jgn8541</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That sucks man, we got to not only indoc them but also, IF they passed kick them out for just about anything if they screwed up or just didn't gain our confidence on being a reliable and trustworthy ATL/TL. Rarely did we have to keep a turd around very long. </div></div>
Yeah we normally did it the same way, at the time this happened (and it was isolated I hope) we had just finished an indoc, not enough people passed, the platoon was still not TO and we were deploying in 3 months. To make things even worse we had no PLT SGT at the time and myself and the other TL's were at another school, so the LT just decided to go rogue. The LT also didn't want us doing another indoc because the one before that was the first he had ever seen and I think it was a little bit of a culture shock for him.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jgn8541</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That sucks man, we got to not only indoc them but also, IF they passed kick them out for just about anything if they screwed up or just didn't gain our confidence on being a reliable and trustworthy ATL/TL. Rarely did we have to keep a turd around very long. </div></div>
Yeah we normally did it the same way, at the time this happened (and it was isolated I hope) we had just finished an indoc, not enough people passed, the platoon was still not TO and we were deploying in 3 months. To make things even worse we had no PLT SGT at the time and myself and the other TL's were at another school, so the LT just decided to go rogue. The LT also didn't want us doing another indoc because the one before that was the first he had ever seen and I think it was a little bit of a culture shock for him.
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vc8541, thats where a good PLT SGT would have come into play. Keep those little LTs in check
but i havent heard of anything like that happening over here on the east coast.
vc8541, thats where a good PLT SGT would have come into play. Keep those little LTs in check
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IIRC, 0317 is kind of like 0321 in the sense of being in SOI. They give you a chance to go to the Recon indoc in SOI. If you pass, you go to BRC.
If you pass the Sniper indoc, you go to whatever unit in a sniper PLT or you might go to Sniper School after SOI. Not sure about that, but I know you can take the Recon indoc in SOI and go to BRC right there after.
There wasnt an opportunity for us to take the Sniper indoc in SOI when I went, just Recon. All Active duty Marines had the standard 0300 MOS untill completion of SOI (weather it be Mortarman, Missileman, rifleman, etc.), then you'd get your primary MOS (0341, 0352, 0311 etc etc.).
The only guys I know that had an 0321 MOS were reservists in boot that had a recon contract. If they didnt pass they went to a reserve infantry battalion.
IIRC, 0317 is kind of like 0321 in the sense of being in SOI. They give you a chance to go to the Recon indoc in SOI. If you pass, you go to BRC.
If you pass the Sniper indoc, you go to whatever unit in a sniper PLT or you might go to Sniper School after SOI. Not sure about that, but I know you can take the Recon indoc in SOI and go to BRC right there after.
There wasnt an opportunity for us to take the Sniper indoc in SOI when I went, just Recon. All Active duty Marines had the standard 0300 MOS untill completion of SOI (weather it be Mortarman, Missileman, rifleman, etc.), then you'd get your primary MOS (0341, 0352, 0311 etc etc.).
The only guys I know that had an 0321 MOS were reservists in boot that had a recon contract. If they didnt pass they went to a reserve infantry battalion.
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His question was regarding a "Back Azimuth" not a "Reverse azimuth". Although essentially the same thing, that is called attention to detail. Attention to detail is the difference between being crushed by a DI or DS or in some cases the difference between life and death. Oh, and by the way: "Back Azimuth" has nothing to do with shooting a rifle or ballistics in the example he gave. Being a Soldier/Marine or sniper is not all about shooting shit!!! Becoming a qualified sniper is the culmination of months, even years of schooling and practical application of Infantry and specialized skills. It cannot be taught on the internet. I say again... I am not a Marine... I am not a sniper... I just have a healthy respect for the time they put into honing an incredibly specialized skill set. Get in shape, learn to close your mouth until needed, open your ears, pay attention to detail. If it is in your cards to be a sniper... THEY WILL TEACH YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW... that is why there is a school.
I'm sure more comments will be inbound... I give up...
His question was regarding a "Back Azimuth" not a "Reverse azimuth". Although essentially the same thing, that is called attention to detail. Attention to detail is the difference between being crushed by a DI or DS or in some cases the difference between life and death. Oh, and by the way: "Back Azimuth" has nothing to do with shooting a rifle or ballistics in the example he gave. Being a Soldier/Marine or sniper is not all about shooting shit!!! Becoming a qualified sniper is the culmination of months, even years of schooling and practical application of Infantry and specialized skills. It cannot be taught on the internet. I say again... I am not a Marine... I am not a sniper... I just have a healthy respect for the time they put into honing an incredibly specialized skill set. Get in shape, learn to close your mouth until needed, open your ears, pay attention to detail. If it is in your cards to be a sniper... THEY WILL TEACH YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW... that is why there is a school.
I'm sure more comments will be inbound... I give up...
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Shooter21 i honestly could care less what you think of my ideas. You came on here as a cocky kid saying you signed a contract saying that you were an 8541. Frank, Myself, and 41 have all been there done that with the Marines, im still active duty. And ill give you this tid bit, a back azimuth is dealing with land nav. Good luck in your ventures, shooting is about 10% of a snipers job. But you seem to have everything figured out, good luck
Shooter21 i honestly could care less what you think of my ideas. You came on here as a cocky kid saying you signed a contract saying that you were an 8541. Frank, Myself, and 41 have all been there done that with the Marines, im still active duty. And ill give you this tid bit, a back azimuth is dealing with land nav. Good luck in your ventures, shooting is about 10% of a snipers job. But you seem to have everything figured out, good luck
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have presigned for an 8541 MOS... </div></div>
Just silly. There is no such thing and it was a secondary MOS even back when. The internet is really starting to be just professional want2Bees.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have presigned for an 8541 MOS... </div></div>
Just silly. There is no such thing and it was a secondary MOS even back when. The internet is really starting to be just professional want2Bees.
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First of all you better drop the I dont have enough time... or I couldnt because or whatever other bullshit excuse you have for anything. If you are serious about this you will cut back on sleep and other things like your modern warfare, etc. The path you are claiming to to choose will take your personality and magnify it by 100x. If you are a shit bag, lazy individual, dishonest, etc it will show in every facet of the journey you are about to embark on. So if you have been bullshitting so far drop the act now.
As for dearly0311 I think you should be thanking him if anything not saying some stupid bullshit like I am going to ignore you. You go ahead and try to ignore one of your DI or instructors, see what happens. Start to grasp the fact that life isnt always fair and sometimes even though you have good intentions shit goes wrong. Furthermore the people you intend on becoming a part of protect this country's ways by acts of extreme honor and violence and things dont always come easy for those people. In other words you will not be wearing your dive bubble and wings and all your other pretty ribbons walking around parties and getting first dibs on the finest piece of ass. Now I never served in the USMC but I have served right along side of them and I can assure you they are not the kind of people that will tolerate dishonest and lazy people, in fact no branch will.
To be honest, the last straw was the
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't get off work in time... running the 3 miles in 16mins which is still a little out of reach like 3 mins.... </div></div>
As for all the other Marines on here please correct me if I got any of that wrong.
First of all you better drop the I dont have enough time... or I couldnt because or whatever other bullshit excuse you have for anything. If you are serious about this you will cut back on sleep and other things like your modern warfare, etc. The path you are claiming to to choose will take your personality and magnify it by 100x. If you are a shit bag, lazy individual, dishonest, etc it will show in every facet of the journey you are about to embark on. So if you have been bullshitting so far drop the act now.
As for dearly0311 I think you should be thanking him if anything not saying some stupid bullshit like I am going to ignore you. You go ahead and try to ignore one of your DI or instructors, see what happens. Start to grasp the fact that life isnt always fair and sometimes even though you have good intentions shit goes wrong. Furthermore the people you intend on becoming a part of protect this country's ways by acts of extreme honor and violence and things dont always come easy for those people. In other words you will not be wearing your dive bubble and wings and all your other pretty ribbons walking around parties and getting first dibs on the finest piece of ass. Now I never served in the USMC but I have served right along side of them and I can assure you they are not the kind of people that will tolerate dishonest and lazy people, in fact no branch will.
To be honest, the last straw was the
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't get off work in time... running the 3 miles in 16mins which is still a little out of reach like 3 mins.... </div></div>
As for all the other Marines on here please correct me if I got any of that wrong.
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I'm not a marine sniper but I did stay at a holiday Inn Express last night. LOL. One thing I can say for sure is deadly can put a mean stick together. I bought one of his from Lucks and I must say... well done.
I'm not a marine sniper but I did stay at a holiday Inn Express last night. LOL. One thing I can say for sure is deadly can put a mean stick together. I bought one of his from Lucks and I must say... well done.
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no one is putting pressure on you for anything, we are calling you out for saying something completely assinine. Im saying this in the most sincere form possible, you havent the foggiest idea what lays ahead in the road to becoming an 0317, Its great that you can run a 300 pft, congrats, but that again is a small part of what they look for. You better have a shit load of heart and will power. Get used to being cold,wet,hungry,tired,sore, and then being told you gotta hump 10-15 clicks out. Being a sniper isnt like the movies, when deployed we turn into the eyes for the battalion, and we dont exactly shoot alot like the movies portray. Best advice i can give you is find someone in your area that was a Marine, preferably and 03 field Marine, and become buddies, talk to him, squeeze his brain for everything he knows. But honestly drop the cocky attitude, that will fuck you faster than anything else
no one is putting pressure on you for anything, we are calling you out for saying something completely assinine. Im saying this in the most sincere form possible, you havent the foggiest idea what lays ahead in the road to becoming an 0317, Its great that you can run a 300 pft, congrats, but that again is a small part of what they look for. You better have a shit load of heart and will power. Get used to being cold,wet,hungry,tired,sore, and then being told you gotta hump 10-15 clicks out. Being a sniper isnt like the movies, when deployed we turn into the eyes for the battalion, and we dont exactly shoot alot like the movies portray. Best advice i can give you is find someone in your area that was a Marine, preferably and 03 field Marine, and become buddies, talk to him, squeeze his brain for everything he knows. But honestly drop the cocky attitude, that will fuck you faster than anything else
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsky23</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> One thing I can say for sure is deadly can put a mean stick together. I bought one of his from Lucks and I must say... well done. </div></div>
glad you like it, i didnt do anything other than bed it in the stock its in. GunJunkieM24 built it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsky23</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> One thing I can say for sure is deadly can put a mean stick together. I bought one of his from Lucks and I must say... well done. </div></div>
glad you like it, i didnt do anything other than bed it in the stock its in. GunJunkieM24 built it.
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I never have had the opportunity to visit about the rifle you sold Adam. It's the best I've ever shot. How was it shooting for you when you sold it?
I never have had the opportunity to visit about the rifle you sold Adam. It's the best I've ever shot. How was it shooting for you when you sold it?
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No BS I shot a 5 rnd group @ 300 yrds with it that was smaller than I even want to claim on here.
No BS I shot a 5 rnd group @ 300 yrds with it that was smaller than I even want to claim on here.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> shooting is about 10% of a snipers job. </div></div>
Its pretty much 10% infantry wide
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> shooting is about 10% of a snipers job. </div></div>
Its pretty much 10% infantry wide
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Hey 21 if you need someone to shoot that rifle for you while your gone I need one to loan to students for rifle classes, I promise I will take care of it!! NOT!! +1 for what deadly said, look, listen, learn and keep your mouth shut!!! You have a long road ahead of you, don't be dissappointed if you don't wind up where you want to be, very few make it thru, and there are fewer that are really good at it.
Hey 21 if you need someone to shoot that rifle for you while your gone I need one to loan to students for rifle classes, I promise I will take care of it!! NOT!! +1 for what deadly said, look, listen, learn and keep your mouth shut!!! You have a long road ahead of you, don't be dissappointed if you don't wind up where you want to be, very few make it thru, and there are fewer that are really good at it.
