Seekins HAVAK Precision Rifle
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My Seekins Havak shipped yesterday. Will arrive Tuesday
Keep us posted! Interested to hear how this turns out.
Really like this rifle, but the barrel countor is the only thing that's concerning me. Only because I would be dropping the barreled action into my McM A5 with a S&B PM II from a competition rifle. Any thoughts on the barrel being to light for that application? Or a better way to word this would be how would the rifle fair in a PRS setting?
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I've only ever shouldered and cycled a couple of them at the NRA show, but my distinct impression is that the rifle as stock is specifically aimed at the premium hunting rifle market. If I ever decide to get another dedicated rifle for hunting, this would be it.
It is light and balanced in the game warden stock, comes to the shoulder and eye naturally, and has a very smooth action. To get it that balance, they use #4 or thereabouts barrel contour. I personally think that contour is s bit light for your setup. My opinion.
It is light and balanced in the game warden stock, comes to the shoulder and eye naturally, and has a very smooth action. To get it that balance, they use #4 or thereabouts barrel contour. I personally think that contour is s bit light for your setup. My opinion.
Why would you do that? You could build a custom barreled action from a good smith, doesn't make sense to buy a new rifle only to ditch the top quality stock it comes with. With an A5 and PMII, it should still be around 11-12lbs.
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The boyz at Seekins told me they are going to build more of a match version of this rifle eventually. This is designed to be a light weight hunting setup. That being said, if you are doing "prs type" shooting it would be fine. If you are doing actual prs matches with 90 second stages and high round counts, I would get a heavier contour barrel.
I'd take my 20in 308 and drop it into that stock. That's my plan anyway for whatever route I go for my comp 6.5 Creed gun.
Ah, that makes more sense now. If it's going to be a dedicated comp gun I wouldn't go any less than light palma, the Havak's contour looks to be very similar to a 3B.
I this just had everything I'm looking for in a 6.5 Creedmoor. I'm looking for a good "turn key" style 6.5 that isnt going to kill my bank account lol. I can only shoot a handful of matches a year so I can't justify a Surgeon or Defiance build as much as I want it, so looking for the best alternative that'll I can drop in my McM A5 and go.
Has anyone shot one of these yet? I'm a huge fan of Seekins, owning their SP10 and some of their other accessories. I can't imagine they would turn out a lemon in being as Glen is pretty innovative and has always turned out good quality products .
Hornady, and it looks like GA Precision has it:
http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-store/hornady-6-5-prc-500-count.html
http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-store/hornady-6-5-prc-500-count.html
Nice! I’m excited to hear how it shoots. For the money it’s hard to compete cost alone building with a custom action, stock, barrel, and quality trigger.
So what about the second version of this rifle that showed up on Cabela’s website? It looks to possibly be a more tactical version with an extended DBM, ATC Brake, and wearing a manners mcs-eh1 stock. It also says it has been test fired from the factory and is already ceracoated. But is it worth the extra $800?
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I wouldn't hold my breath. It may be a while before they are available to buy. Seekins told me "they have been balls to the wall" (I am paraphrasing) getting the current model shipped in time for hunting season. I wouldn't expect the tactical version to arrive until next year. But take that with grain of salt because I just a clown on and internet forum. Hell, they might want to have them to sell for Christmas...
- Integrated bolt lug
- Removable bolt head
- Removable bolt handle
- AICS and AW magazine compatibility
- Optional 3.2-inch, 4-round mag from Seekins
- Gunsmith-free barrel changes using direct-thread factory replacement barrels.
- Fully supported bolt catch
- Helical extracting cam
- Bolt head ans breech block made from proprietary tool steel
- Action body and bolt body made from 416R stainless steel
- 20-MOA optic rail
- $1200, shipping in third quarter 2017
- Read more: http://www.recoilweb.com/shot-2017-seekins-precision-havak-action-127919.html#ixzz4tnaiu9II
I think I like the manners over the McMillan a little bit but I’m sure both are solid choices. I might send Seekins an email and see if I can get a few more details about the other version. $800 more for just a Brake and a cerakote job is a little high, the stocks are roughly the same price (minus paint).
So I called Seekins about the other version and it’s going to be a Cabela’s exclusive model. Barrel contour will be the same as the standard Havak which is not named but they said it is pretty close to a heavy sporter. No release date at this time.
Hey Guys, wanted to clear a few things up for you. The pricing is different for a verity of reasons but it comes down to the quantity we purchase, the way we purchased them (inlet, paint ext) and limited qty special run sizes all drive price.
We will have some rifles later THIS year that have a heavier barrel contour and a few other surprises tuned up for the competitions we all like to go to and precision shooting. The initial rifle is designed to be a hunting rifle, not necessarily a competitive PRS rifle. For a comp rifle i would want a heavier barrel, heavier rifle to minimize recoil and a different stock. Designing one rifle to "do all" usually ends up being a rifle that doesn't do anything to its potential.
We will have some rifles later THIS year that have a heavier barrel contour and a few other surprises tuned up for the competitions we all like to go to and precision shooting. The initial rifle is designed to be a hunting rifle, not necessarily a competitive PRS rifle. For a comp rifle i would want a heavier barrel, heavier rifle to minimize recoil and a different stock. Designing one rifle to "do all" usually ends up being a rifle that doesn't do anything to its potential.
I love it when the manufacturer follows a thread and replies personally. I for one am looking for a fun gun since I don’t shoot prs style matches anymore but I’m still after the accuracy. I will probably use the rifle for hunting a few targets, coyotes, and deer so this would be just about perfect. I still might have to hold off and see what changes are in store though.
Just get a triad with adjustments. The purpose or the gamescout, warden and eh1 etc are to cut down on weight for a hunting rifle. Not really a shame since the weight on this thing is pretty good. No need to add a lb or more in hardware.
How does it shoot? What are its pros and cons?Nope. I got one of the first in the country Tuesday
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Our local Cabela's just got a couple of them in (6.5 Creed and .308), so I went down there to check them out. I wasn't that impressed. The rifle was very lite and the stock felt good. The trigger was nice, lite and crisp, but the bolt was binding and felt gritty. With the magazine inserted (it was a Magpul magazine) the bolt was rubbing on the magazine lips, making it even harder to manipulate. It just was not as smooth as a Defiance or Remington for that matter.
Sorry your had that experience,
We think there was some foam dust from packaging we used in the rifle boxes that stuck to the oiled surfaces on the bolt making them sticky. When they are packaged the bolt sits in its cutout spot in the foam and pretty sure thats where it picked it up. The feed lips.. some of the Magpul mags have flashing on top of the feed lips from the mold process. Not all are like this but some are for sure, this wasn't realized until rifles were shipped out, the box store rifles shipped over a month ago. Simple fix we do here now. everyone else's AI style mag lips are considerably lower.
We think there was some foam dust from packaging we used in the rifle boxes that stuck to the oiled surfaces on the bolt making them sticky. When they are packaged the bolt sits in its cutout spot in the foam and pretty sure thats where it picked it up. The feed lips.. some of the Magpul mags have flashing on top of the feed lips from the mold process. Not all are like this but some are for sure, this wasn't realized until rifles were shipped out, the box store rifles shipped over a month ago. Simple fix we do here now. everyone else's AI style mag lips are considerably lower.
The 6.5 PRC has been in the works for about 6 years but got side tracked when George brought out the 6.5 GAP 4-S. It is on the RCM case with about 69 grains of capacity. This makes it a 0.532" rim with a 0.532" head instead of being rebated like the SAUM cases. The design will be an added attraction to Ruger since it is part of their development with Hornady. The naysayers are already having a heyday with this design but it simply gets the juices flowing and more conversation as to the technical information and release dates.
Regards.
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New brass is available through GA Precision for $420/500 pcs.
When did the price change for the brass??
Scott
The 3 that I've handled were the same way. One of them being mine. The bolt is very rough when new. I oiled mine and ran it for a couple hundred cycles in my house and now it's smooth. I just sold it to someone who is going to be very happy with it now, but first impressions right out of the box before break in are not good.
-Dan
Can anyone give any accuracy updates? People have the rifle now surely but no one is telling me the most important part about the rifle; can it shoot?
Okay, you've convinced me. Someone send me one to shoot and I'll put 1000 rounds through it and write a full review, with pictures, data, video and descriptive text with my findings and final opinion.
If if I like it, I'll buy it.
I need a project anyway.
Anyone? Bueller?
If if I like it, I'll buy it.
I need a project anyway.
Anyone? Bueller?
I had a similar experience. Except I did my 100+ cycles right in the gun store and still decided not to buy it. It was surprisingly light though. and workmanship/ machining appeared top notch in every other way.
I likely have more rounds through a Havak than most anyone in the US. Accuracy has been phenomenal.... I have to put kids to bed here in a few and then I’ll write up some more.
Alright, I'm working on a more in depth write up, but to cover the few questions I've seen on this page.
I've always ran my action pretty dry. I can't say if it's more or less smooth than a Defiance because I don't have one handy. It's better than my custom Remington rifles, probably not as smooth as my AIAX though. It's a hunting rifle though and without a doubt it's plenty smooth for that.
As for accuracy, I got the gun in time to take it on a bear hunt. It shot amazing with factory Hornady Precision Hunter ammo, like truly one ragged hole on a few groups. The bear killed in the pics I'll attached was at 285 and it crushed it.
How well did it shoot? Well, I was confident enough in it that when I didn't feel like reloading for my AIAX in 243, I bought 400 rounds of Hornady Match Ammo and took the Havak all the way to Texas (from Washington) to shoot in the Lone Survivor Match! See other picture attached.
As I said...more later...but so far I'm nothing but impressed.
I've always ran my action pretty dry. I can't say if it's more or less smooth than a Defiance because I don't have one handy. It's better than my custom Remington rifles, probably not as smooth as my AIAX though. It's a hunting rifle though and without a doubt it's plenty smooth for that.
As for accuracy, I got the gun in time to take it on a bear hunt. It shot amazing with factory Hornady Precision Hunter ammo, like truly one ragged hole on a few groups. The bear killed in the pics I'll attached was at 285 and it crushed it.
How well did it shoot? Well, I was confident enough in it that when I didn't feel like reloading for my AIAX in 243, I bought 400 rounds of Hornady Match Ammo and took the Havak all the way to Texas (from Washington) to shoot in the Lone Survivor Match! See other picture attached.
As I said...more later...but so far I'm nothing but impressed.
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Jason,
What caliber dud you get? I am getting really serious about this rifle for a hunting and fun gun. Something to replace my 20" 6.5CM CTR
What caliber dud you get? I am getting really serious about this rifle for a hunting and fun gun. Something to replace my 20" 6.5CM CTR
Hmmm... Do you really NEED a cheekrest to get a rifle to perform? Seems kind of petty when there are plenty of guys that have absolutely no problem hitting distant targets without a cheekrest by deploying basic shooting fundamentals.
That's cool and all, but everybody has a different facial structure and what works for one person doesn't work for another. Lot's of people hunt with a Rem 770. Do you really NEED a $2k semi-custom rifle for any of this? But if you are going to pay that much, shouldn't you at least be able to easily fit the rifle to the shooter, rather than velcro some makeshift stock pack to it? Sure it will probably work for most people, but then most people haven't been spoiled by fully adjustable custom stocks/chassis, either.
-Dan
Thanks for the info. You guys make a good product for sure. I think every action needs a little cleaning, lube and break-in to run it's smoothest.
All the Magpul mags I have used thus far needed some sanding of modification to remedy. The feedlip tend to be too tall and can ride the bolt and the are a little too wide to drop free from a DBM.
And to address the adjustable cheek-piece, They are releasing more models of the Havak. I believe these have a more adjustable stock. The price of the this rifle is outstanding. With this price there has to be some compromises. You are not going to get a $4K rifle for $2k. I think this rifle is a winner by a great American company.
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