SERT vs Savior

[MrFeetZ]

Hey all. New member here and sorta new to long range shooting. Been lurking here for quite some time and have gleamed some excellent help just by reading thru post history. I've come up on something I was hoping for input on. Been looking for a soft rifle case and have narrowed it down to two: Savior Specialist LRP 51" or SERT PRB 53". Savior OOS everywhere and after speaking with them on the phone, they indicated an updated version expected out later this spring. The PRB from SERT looks really nice and Ive read several positive reviews. However, it looks like the only place you can order the PRB is from mfg website and their website gives me the impression that it hasn't been maintained. I've emailed SERT with questions but no responses. Does anyone know if they still in business? Has anyone ordered recently? The most recent reference I've seen anyone post regarding a purchase is a couple years old. Would like to proceed with SERT if they still good to go. If not, will likely wait for Savior to release the LRP. Thanks in advance!

PRB, Precision Rifle Bag, 53”

PRB, Precision Rifle Bag, 53” NOTE: 53" is the internal length, external length is 54" The PRB is SERT's latest offering! As with our tactical carbine/rifle cases (TCCs), our new PRBs are also produced with no regards to expense. Unlike your traditional precision rifle bags (drag bags) with long...

sert-us.myshopify.com

Specialist LRP Rifle Case - 47"/51"/55"

Just to raise the bar on how a precision rifle case should function, we made a few quality of life improvements that are tailored for the long range precision shooter, including the all-new scope +muzzle cover and new removable CORE8x4 pouches.

www.saviorequipment.com

 

[carbonbased]

The Saviour is going be heavy. Don’t know anything about the other one.

But as you’re having problems sourcing them, just buy either:

• Armageddon Gear Precision rifle case 52” version
• Creedmoor Sports 55” blue deluxe case
• Bulldog Cases BDT80-54T 54" Long Range Rifle Case

https://armageddongear.com/product/precision-rifle-case/

https://www.creedmoorsports.com/pro...-or-60-inch-rifle-case/creedmoor_sports_brand

Amazon product ASIN B078SH6B18
I own all three. I’m a bag whore.

Below, I’m not going to mention the little flat pockets.

Armageddon is made in USA and is the best made with the nicest materials. Slim profile and narrowest internally (think about attached bipods; can be tight). Strap crosses zippered opening and can be irritating. Only one pocket worth counting. Too short for some rifles with a suppressor attached.

Creedmoor is very nice, almost as nice as above. Longer than above (think attached suppressor). Four huge pockets. Strap attached on the back, so never interferes with zippered gun opening, but will more firmly contact ground when laying rifle down. Wider internally than AG. (Edit 6/7/24: Creedmoor became increasingly irritating…bonks the stairs and/or my calves when going down stairs. I’m 5’10”, might not matter if you’re taller. Can be a safety issue.)

Bulldog is the widest internally. Pretty well made, but zippers and fabric are a notch down from the two above. One big pocket. Strap attaches on the back, so no zippered opening interference, but metal hardware can contact shoulder a little despite use of included pad.

The first two are basically a tie, depending on how long your rig is and if you leave a bipod attached. Bulldog is for wide setups or for people who don’t want to pay much.

I guess for my use I’d buy the Creedmoor if I only had one bag.

• Edit 6/7/24: I’ve gone back to first reaching for the Armageddon case, and if the rifle doesn’t fit, then the AIM. Over time, I’ve become a more irritated with how low the Creedmoor bag rides when over the shoulder. Still a nice bag, however.
• So, one bag, for long and short rifles? I guess the AIM. I’ve now fiddled and adjusted one backpack strap enough to get it to finally work well as a single shoulder strap. I tuck the other strap away.

 

[Wnick308]

That Creedmoor bag above is nice. It's lightweight and simple but can take a beating pretty good. I've used it to carry all types of rifles and works very well even heavily loaded down.

I would pick the SAVIOR over the other bag.
I have never heard of SERT-US, I think I would pick a Condor bag before that one.

 

[tk427]

Have you looked at:

Triad Precision Rifle Carry Case

triadtactical.com

 

[PrecisionWerk]

Have been waiting for the LRP for so long. they always told me sometime this year or next .

Otherwise owned two of the urban warfare one and one Armageddon, like others said its on the heavier side if you plan to carry it around. For me I like the rectangle shape, its more discreet than the other options. Well build with good CS too.

 

[carbonbased]

Have you looked at:

Triad Precision Rifle Carry Case

triadtactical.com

I know I’m not the OP, but the problem with the Triad is there’s no shoulder strap provision. You can buy backpack straps, but let’s be honest, 99% of the time people hoof the case from house to car to range and back.

When you’re bringing stuff to the range shed or from your house to your car, getting something off your hands is golden. But if that something is a long rifle case with backpack straps, the top of the case usually hits any doorframe you may find.

Maybe the Triad is different, but using just one backpack strap as a shoulder strap tends to suck. I do that with an AIM dragbag.

At 52” max the Triad is also kinda short, a criticism I have about the 52” Armageddon too. 55”-56” is perfect for most precision rifles with a suppressor, and that length fits crossways in mid-size SUVs…and I’ll bet also in many small pickup rear seats. Longer than that and it’s like loading lumber going the long way in.

As mentioned, if I had to pick just one, it’d probably be that Creedmoor bag. I wish it was made in the USA. I’d pay way more for it if it was. Oh well. See my prev post above.

 

[dgheriani]

I have the Triad case, the AG case, the AG M2010 case, and a short discrete case (they also make regular cases, up to 64" long) from Elite Survival Systems. I'd buy another case from any of them without hesitation, awesome quality, made in the USA and have all held up well to nearly daily use.

 

[MrFeetZ]

Have been waiting for the LRP for so long. they always told me sometime this year or next .

Otherwise owned two of the urban warfare one and one Armageddon, like others said its on the heavier side if you plan to carry it around. For me I like the rectangle shape, its more discreet than the other options. Well build with good CS too.

Oh no! I was thinking told next year. As much as I'd prefer the Savior, I dont wanna wait that long. I do remeber when i called, they said there was going to be an update/improvement but wasn't able to provide any details.

 

[MrFeetZ]

Man, so many great options.
I do prefer a more rectangular overall shape. I do like the Armageddon m2010. But, $350 is a bit out of my neighborhood. The Elite ULTIMATE DRAG bag looks like a great contender. I hadnt seen this one before and will look into more - thanks dgheriani! The triad PRC carry case along looked promising and I saw that one before but didn't realize it didn't have backpack straps. While I I wo t use backpack straps too often, if rather have and not use than need and not have.


Carbon-based- awesome details and breakdown of your experience. Thanks for taking time with your insight. When looking g into softcases, I never see r would have thought it lead to this many options.

 

[carbonbased]

I forgot I already did a little write up about my AIM dragbag vs my 55” Creedmoor bag:

Precision Rifle Gear - Review of Creedmoor Sports 55in Deluxe Rifle Case vs. AIM 55in Dragbag

So, I’m posting this because some AI’s require taller mounts than regular Rem700 pattern rifles which makes it hard to fit in many rifle cases. At least for me and maybe for some others with high mounts like @pfl338. Maybe you have this problem too. I have no relationship with Creedmoor Sports...

www.snipershide.com

 

[skatz11]

I just for one of those SERT cases. It’s lighter than I expected but not in a sense that it’s not robust and well made. I’ve used their TCC cases for years for my ARs.

I also have both Armageddon Gear bags and they are incredibly well made and work great as well. I just decided to go with the SERT for the new rifle because I had good experience with their carbine bags.

 

[MrFeetZ]

I just for one of those SERT cases. It’s lighter than I expected but not in a sense that it’s not robust and well made. I’ve used their TCC cases for years for my ARs.

I also have both Armageddon Gear bags and they are incredibly well made and work great as well. I just decided to go with the SERT for the new rifle because I had good experience with their carbine bags.

If you don't mind me asking; when did you order and from where?

 

[skatz11]

If you don't mind me asking; when did you order and from where?

I ordered directly from SERT in the beginning of December.

 

[ClangClang]

SERT bags are amazing. Incredible construction, innovative designs and details, and they are vertically integrated. They own their entire manufacturing production line out of their factory in Vietnam.

They took a big hit during covid and had to shut down production. However the owner Helmie just announced a week or two ago full capacity and will be releasing new production runs of all their bags very soon.

 

[Parham4020]

I have two SERT bags and am incredibly pleased with their quality and construction. I will be purchasing more in the future. The only thing I’d change on the TCC is another D ring attachment point for the shoulder strap near the top corner for the option of a more duffle style over one shoulder carry.

 

[Changed]

I have the Savior case. I like things about it, like the straps for carrying and how you can strap the gun into the case. It is heavy. I've used a couple of old Bald Eagle cases more than anything. If it wouldn't cost a mint to ship it, I'd have sold it long ago. it sits with my hard case in my attic most of the time. If I could do it over, I'd just buy a well-padded case that was cheap.

 

[carbonbased]

I have the Savior case. I like things about it, like the straps for carrying and how you can strap the gun into the case. It is heavy. I've used a couple of old Bald Eagle cases more than anything. If it wouldn't cost a mint to ship it, I'd have sold it long ago. it sits with my hard case in my attic most of the time. If I could do it over, I'd just buy a well-padded case that was cheap.

I have a rectangular Explorer double rifle case that looks like the Savior. I’m sure it isn’t as well made. Bought it early as I was getting into rifles.

Same thing. Heavy as a bag of bricks. It too sits in the attic.

 

[Midwestside]

SERT bags are amazing. Incredible construction, innovative designs and details, and they are vertically integrated. They own their entire manufacturing production line out of their factory in Vietnam.

They took a big hit during covid and had to shut down production. However the owner Helmie just announced a week or two ago full capacity and will be releasing new production runs of all their bags very soon.

@HELM used to reply directly to a few related threads on the forum, but may be inactive now?

 

[carbonbased]

The triad PRC carry case along looked promising and I saw that one before but didn't realize it didn't have backpack straps.

Just noticed your post. The backpack straps are optional. You can buy them via a link on the bag’s product page.

RANT​

But yeah. No regular “one-shoulder” type shoulder strap. And it appears no shoulder strap on the SERT either. I don’t get it. They could make it removable like in the Armageddon case.

It’s almost like the bag designers have never walked out of their house with more than just ONE rifle case. And never a range bag.

That, or their doors magically open when they approach with two hands full, they never use a range backpack plus a rifle case, or maybe their doors are all 8ft tall (at home and range) so you can walk through them not hunched over with the bag on backpack style? Maybe they all have butlers?

Heque, when I did try hoofing the thing out of my house as a backpack, I damn near knocked every picture off the wall in the stairwell! First world probs are REAL bros

Before I bought my AIM 55, I thought nbd, I’ll use one backpack strap as a shoulder strap. At least on my AIM, it isn’t long enough nor angled quite right. As a right-hander, I have to use the strap nearest the floor and hoist it over my right shoulder like a school backpack. Sorta awkward.

Or maybe all these bag designers don’t use shoulder straps ‘cause they’re deep in the shite, dragging the thing on the jungle floor for two clicks from the LZ to set up their hide overlooking the Hồ Chí Minh trail lol.

 

[Baron23]

Hey all. New member here and sorta new to long range shooting. Been lurking here for quite some time and have gleamed some excellent help just by reading thru post history. I've come up on something I was hoping for input on. Been looking for a soft rifle case and have narrowed it down to two: Savior Specialist LRP 51" or SERT PRB 53". Savior OOS everywhere and after speaking with them on the phone, they indicated an updated version expected out later this spring. The PRB from SERT looks really nice and Ive read several positive reviews. However, it looks like the only place you can order the PRB is from mfg website and their website gives me the impression that it hasn't been maintained. I've emailed SERT with questions but no responses. Does anyone know if they still in business? Has anyone ordered recently? The most recent reference I've seen anyone post regarding a purchase is a couple years old. Would like to proceed with SERT if they still good to go. If not, will likely wait for Savior to release the LRP. Thanks in advance!

PRB, Precision Rifle Bag, 53”

PRB, Precision Rifle Bag, 53” NOTE: 53" is the internal length, external length is 54" The PRB is SERT's latest offering! As with our tactical carbine/rifle cases (TCCs), our new PRBs are also produced with no regards to expense. Unlike your traditional precision rifle bags (drag bags) with long...

sert-us.myshopify.com

Specialist LRP Rifle Case - 47"/51"/55"

Just to raise the bar on how a precision rifle case should function, we made a few quality of life improvements that are tailored for the long range precision shooter, including the all-new scope +muzzle cover and new removable CORE8x4 pouches.

www.saviorequipment.com

I have two Saviors and went with the multicam version as, although they cost more, the material is almost twice as thick (1000 D vs 600) as the solid colors and they has YKK zippers.

No…they are not light weight but are you planning to fuck with it on your back? They are, IMO, very well padded and protective of your firearm and optic. They also have a lot of exterior pouches to stuff rear bags, cans, etc.

This one…but found it on Amazon or some other retail site. They are sold by a wide variety of retailers.

MultiCam® Urban Warfare - 36"/42"/46"/51"/55"

Yo dawg, we heard you like MultiCam®, so we slapped MultiCam® 1000D Cordura® all over our Urban Warfare case. Then just for s***s and giggles, we increased the padding thickness and added Duraflex® UTX buckles and YKK® zippers.

www.saviorequipment.com

 

[carbonbased]

I have two Saviors and went with the multicam version as, although they cost more, the material is almost twice as thick (1000 D vs 600) as the solid colors and they has YKK zippers.

No…they are not light weight but are you planning to fuck with it on your back? They are, IMO, very well padded and protective of your firearm and optic. They also have a lot of exterior pouches to stuff rear bags, cans, etc.

This one…but found it on Amazon or some other retail site. They are sold by a wide variety of retailers.

MultiCam® Urban Warfare - 36"/42"/46"/51"/55"

Yo dawg, we heard you like MultiCam®, so we slapped MultiCam® 1000D Cordura® all over our Urban Warfare case. Then just for s***s and giggles, we increased the padding thickness and added Duraflex® UTX buckles and YKK® zippers.

www.saviorequipment.com

But you can bench 270.

 

[Baron23]

But you can bench 270.

Shit…I can barely walk. What you talking’ about, Jackson. lol

And I don’t work in concrete or bow hunt. lol

 

[carbonbased]

Shit…I can barely walk. What you talking’ about, Jackson. lol

And I don’t work in concrete or bow hunt. lol

U r 2 modest, u beast

Pic of @Baron23 at the range

 

[MrFeetZ]

I have two Saviors and went with the multicam version as, although they cost more, the material is almost twice as thick (1000 D vs 600) as the solid colors and they has YKK zippers.

No…they are not light weight but are you planning to fuck with it on your back? They are, IMO, very well padded and protective of your firearm and optic. They also have a lot of exterior pouches to stuff rear bags, cans, etc.

This one…but found it on Amazon or some other retail site. They are sold by a wide variety of retailers.

MultiCam® Urban Warfare - 36"/42"/46"/51"/55"

Yo dawg, we heard you like MultiCam®, so we slapped MultiCam® 1000D Cordura® all over our Urban Warfare case. Then just for s***s and giggles, we increased the padding thickness and added Duraflex® UTX buckles and YKK® zippers.

www.saviorequipment.com

I hadn't noticed the differences of material between the Multicam Urban Warfare cases and I guess what would be their "standard color" Urban Warefare cases. I had assumed price difference was due to patterns and colors. Great observation!

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

$200+ for a vietchong case when you can buy American for the same money?


Get fucked

 

[Triad]

@carbonbased
I accept your RANT, and dismiss it....
Thank you for your comments, seriously. We considered all of your thoughts we working up the PRCC. The one two things we didn't want was another $400 drag bag covered with features that never get used, and a bag that weighs nine pounds empty. The first real drag bag I bought was both of these things and I used it a lot. Enough to learn a lot about what most people would need to use it. I never did overwatch on the Hồ Chí Minh Trial, but I did 8 years as TL on a 6 man Urban LE team.

I did learn when I need to make a second trip, after I blew out a shoulder WITH A DRAG BAG AND A BUNCH OF OTHER SHIT, and missed a bunch of work....

And if I sent you a pic of the front door to my house, you would shit

 

[carbonbased]

@carbonbased
I accept your RANT, and dismiss it....
Thank you for your comments, seriously. We considered all of your thoughts we working up the PRCC. The one two things we didn't want was another $400 drag bag covered with features that never get used, and a bag that weighs nine pounds empty. The first real drag bag I bought was both of these things and I used it a lot. Enough to learn a lot about what most people would need to use it. I never did overwatch on the Hồ Chí Minh Trial, but I did 8 years as TL on a 6 man Urban LE team.

I did learn when I need to make a second trip, after I blew out a shoulder WITH A DRAG BAG AND A BUNCH OF OTHER SHIT, and missed a bunch of work....

And if I sent you a pic of the front door to my house, you would shit

Well, I’m flattered that you’re considering some of my feedback.

Basically, overall, my advice is to look at how a person uses the bag, step by step. If you’re targeting someone who is shooting a precision bolt action at the range and comps, then definitely consider transport with attached suppressor (EDIT: or wide-ass bipod like an Atlas SCAL). Consider how they might store the bag in the car/SUV/truck, how they navigate structures with ALL of the bags they carry to and from their house. Do they bring people along in the car/truck and how does that impact how they store the rifle?

Totally get it about the second trip. On my smart days I have it paired down to one lightish range backpack and one rifle.

At one point I was rolling a goddamn stacked Milwaukee PackOut trolley in the range shed like some benchrester with a 60lbs front rest and a drummer stool who’s gonna stay all day (didn’t have that rest/stool, but you get the point).

I like the ability to add backpack straps, but if you had two simple rings and a detachable shoulder strap, that would be tits.

-also, just noticed with that Creedmoor bag: it sits low on the body when slung over your shoulder. Great, right? No hitting doorframes.

Not great when you’re going down the stairs with a 20lbs rifle inside and other shit in one hand and the bottom of the case gently bumps the stair step behind you. Almost cantilevered me ass over teakettle down the stairs lol.

I’m aware of the issue now and turn slightly to avoid that scenario (I’m 5’10”, so not a midget).

 

[carbonbased]

Another nice thing I didn’t notice right away with the Creedmoor bag is the one-way pocket zippers. Most bags have zips in either direction on their pockets. Invariably there’s a moment of (very slight) confusion when you approach to unzip…”which side is the zipper on?” I think.

With one-way zips, you quickly become accustomed to where the zipper is when it’s zipped or unzipped.

On the Creedmoor, I believe they alway zip open away from another pocket, which is nice.

The Armageddon bag curiously has a one-way zip on the main rifle opening (nice), but two zips on the bigger pocket. There might be a functional reason for the main zip to usually have two zips (breakage backup?) but the reason escapes me.

I guess the collection of a lot of nice little things also makes a product nicer to use.

 

[carbonbased]

Update for those on thread notifications. Revised my recommended case above. Just wanted to give credit where credit’s due.

SERT vs Savior

Hey all. New member here and sorta new to long range shooting. Been lurking here for quite some time and have gleamed some excellent help just by reading thru post history. I've come up on something I was hoping for input on. Been looking for a soft rifle case and have narrowed it down to...

www.snipershide.com

I’m sure you were all waiting with bated breath (not).