I'm in the process of setting up a modest reloading station for low volume, high precision (relatively speaking) ammo. Budget isn't unlimited, but I will pay for value. Efficiency is of little concern. If you had an average budget and didn't need speed but wanted precision, what scale/dispenser set up would you go with?
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setting up modest reloading station: scale advice?
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A&D FX120i is probably the best "bang for your buck" scale available. If you did want speed, you could couple it with the auto trickle at a later time. You'll need to trickle powder yourself or scoop and dump. If money was no concern, there's always the Prometheus.
Second place is the Chargemaster. It's probably the most common piece of reloading equipment used by everyone on this site, and for good reason. It's inexpensive, reliable, pretty accurate, and quick. Best of all, it'll throw the charge for you.
Second place is the Chargemaster. It's probably the most common piece of reloading equipment used by everyone on this site, and for good reason. It's inexpensive, reliable, pretty accurate, and quick. Best of all, it'll throw the charge for you.
Here's an excerpt I found...
If you are a competition benchrest shooter and shooting over 400 yards the FX-120i is NOT what you want to buy since you will be ± 1 or 2 kernels of powder. You either want a Prometheus powder measure or the Sartorius Entris64-1S.
A single kernel of Varget weighs ± 0.02 grains and the FX-120i increments in 0.02 grain divisions (0.02 gn > 0.04 gn > 0.06 gn, etc) and the linearity (or accuracy) is ± two(2) divisions or ± 0.04 grains. When shooting .308 ammo, on average, a single kernel of Varget roughly changes the velocity by 1.3 fps. So just a few kernels of variation can easily double the extreme spread in velocity. Out to 500+- yards it does not seem to make much difference, but beyond that and things can get ugly fast. Buying the right balance is just another tool to put more bullets closer to the desired point of impact.
If you are a competition benchrest shooter and shooting over 400 yards the FX-120i is NOT what you want to buy since you will be ± 1 or 2 kernels of powder. You either want a Prometheus powder measure or the Sartorius Entris64-1S.
A single kernel of Varget weighs ± 0.02 grains and the FX-120i increments in 0.02 grain divisions (0.02 gn > 0.04 gn > 0.06 gn, etc) and the linearity (or accuracy) is ± two(2) divisions or ± 0.04 grains. When shooting .308 ammo, on average, a single kernel of Varget roughly changes the velocity by 1.3 fps. So just a few kernels of variation can easily double the extreme spread in velocity. Out to 500+- yards it does not seem to make much difference, but beyond that and things can get ugly fast. Buying the right balance is just another tool to put more bullets closer to the desired point of impact.
I do believe that the FX120i will operate in the +/- 0.02 to 0.04 grain range long term. That's just my experience weighing standards in the 1 gram to 100 gram range over a period of many months.
I'm not convinced that you can correlate a single grain of Varget to a velocity variation of 1.3 fps. There are so many variables involved, it's tough to pin it all on powder mass. Muzzle velocity dependency on powder mass will vary depending on if you are in a node, for example. Variations in the temperature of the rifle's chamber and variations shot to shot in how long a round has been in the chamber soaking up heat can dwarf the effect of a single grain.
I am currently using a powder throw, Gempro 250, and a Trickler. Its nothing fancy but I am getting single digit SDs.
I have a Gempro 250, but I was rough with it, and now it is broken. I ended up getting a cheap $35 "Smart Weigh" scale off Amazon that will read out to 0.001gr. It drifts like the Gempro and all other cheap load cell scales, but I made a check weight out of a small pill bottle filled with enough powder to match the weight of my powder pan with my desired powder charge, and I compare each powder charge to this check weight to get consistency. This is slow and tedious, but it works, and I've been getting 5-shot SDs under 5 fps. I plan on getting the FX-120i and auto trickler setup eventually. Beyond just the speed and efficiency, an auto dispensing measure reduces the possibility of me screwing up. I'm pretty sure I've loaded at least one round a grain high before based on what it did when I fired it.
So far I have had excellent luck with the Gempro. I leave mine turned on and plugged in 24/7. This seems to keep the drift down to a minimum.
GemPro 250. Leave it plugged in and turned on. Make a check weight. Watch the negative number of your pan weight when you lift scale to combat drift - rezero as needed. Don't trickle, weigh once then add the number of missing kernels of powder to hit your target weight.
Fast, accurate, and efficient. Next step up from that is the FX120i with auto trickler... but that's 7 times the cost.
That quote was from a website that sells the scales, the same site the links for the other scales take you to. I'm not sure I agree with their conclusion about one kernel equaling 1.3 ft/sec. either. Seems just a little too simple to be accurate, perhaps this is an average?? But, yes, I do agree with your statement.
The reason for posting was more geared toward the claim that the fx 120 is NOT precise enough to detect a single kernel of Varget, whereas, the thousand dollar Sartorius Entris64-1S is designed for precisely that. So, Winny94 if it were me and I was looking to take the next MEANINGFUL step up in digital scales, I would skip the 120i, certainly the GemPro, and start looking at something like the Entris64 mentioned above.
With that being said, if you can't achive single digit SD's with a basic $50 digital or beam scale, you're reloading methodology is flawed.
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I'll echo what others have said about the GemPro. I added an RF filter on the cord and leave it plugged in which has done a lot for reducing drift. There is a part of me that wants a better scale, like an FX-120i. However, I have managed very low single-digit SDs with my GemPro and for the time being I will use the extra money upgrading other elements in my shooting universe.
A friend picked it up for me, so I don't know the specifics, but I do know that he got it at Radio Shack. Probably easier to get it from Amazon, look for RF choke.
Like others said, I turn mine on a day before I plan to load. Also, like Sheldon N said, pay attention to the negative number when you take then pan off of the tray when you first zero, then watch that each time you take the pan off and re-zero as necessary.
I've produced a lot of single digit ES ammo on a $25 Lee balance (actually a very accurate scale, but a pain in the ass). I currently use an ohaus balance + mechanical trickler with a chargemaster weighing a little under desired charge weight. Maybe if I had used a $1500 scale before I'd see the need for one.
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