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Shots Fired At President Trump's Butler PA Rally!
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I have heard this as well. Shooter position makes this the only counter sniper team that had a clear shot? The other 2 positions were obstructed by trees?
Crooks actions were wrong, but just think what he actually did? 1" and he would have changed the world? The fact remains the first shot was a kill shot. With iron sigjhts that was an amazing shot!!
We are at war in this country and people are dying. Im scared to think what would have happened if Trump didnt move his head at the last minute?
Butler Police are upset that USSS blamed them.
OK, so it wasn't the little town's police.
How many "Local" organizations were there?
Somewhere (someone please find for me) I read that there were 13 different LEO groups, some even from Ohio with people there.
The twit in Washington got TOLD the Roof was too steep,
Got TOLD Local LEO did this or did that,
State, Out-of State, County, next County, and the poor Butler PoPo.
She didn't know sheet, She wasn't there, Field Office CYA.
"Local" means Not Washington to her.
"Local" inside 2nd floor Break Room watching through windows over the shooter's position?
Only one team had view blocked by trees.
One shot each from team two and team 3.
Team 1 with the Big Guns couldn't see the forest for the trees.
Yup, I can see why Butler Police Chief is upset.
OK, so it wasn't the little town's police.
How many "Local" organizations were there?
Somewhere (someone please find for me) I read that there were 13 different LEO groups, some even from Ohio with people there.
The twit in Washington got TOLD the Roof was too steep,
Got TOLD Local LEO did this or did that,
State, Out-of State, County, next County, and the poor Butler PoPo.
She didn't know sheet, She wasn't there, Field Office CYA.
"Local" means Not Washington to her.
"Local" inside 2nd floor Break Room watching through windows over the shooter's position?
Only one team had view blocked by trees.
One shot each from team two and team 3.
Team 1 with the Big Guns couldn't see the forest for the trees.
Yup, I can see why Butler Police Chief is upset.
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DOC thank you for the clarification. My eyes deceived me. I can see the SR-25 now.
Just checking an exposure calculator and playing with the sunny 16 rule (f16, iso 100, 1/100 exposure), 1/8000 isn't too crazy. If you had an f2.8 lense it is doable. Would lead to a shallow depth of field though. Was probably in a fast shutter mode (16-20 frames per second).
Can you link this vid if you have it? It’s been hard to locate over the other team
All depends on the lighting. Bright daylight lets you speed up the shutter speed. You can catch the blur from a bullet at much less than 1/8000. These photographers are shooting in burst mode, so they are capturing dozens of images at a time trying to get the very best shot. He just happened to capture the bullet in one of the images in the burst.
1/8000 shutter speed isn't out of the ordinary. Just depends on other factors like ISO setting, aperture, and lighting conditions. The odds of capturing a projectile traveling 2800 - 3000 fps are slim, though. I believe that image is a still from a video though?
It is important to understand the shooter fired into metal bleachers. Also at that distance a pass through isn't unheard of, especially with FMJ plinking ammo. We cannot take video evidence of possible impacts as a round count or as an authority of the origin of said bullet.
If the round ricocheted off the railing the Feds will probably just say someone was just trying to carve their initials into the rail.
Someone needs to release enough Truth to get these News Media Hoes passing on Garbage a few days off the air, suspended without pay.
(just in case some posts get deleted this is post #2166)
Someone needs to release enough Truth to get these News Media Hoes passing on Garbage a few days off the air, suspended without pay.
(just in case some posts get deleted this is post #2166)
For years now. The congressional baseball game , putting our side in gulag. Etc
This was one of the first things I thought about. He said it out loud years ago. He knows the game and he plays the game.
The guys that don't play the game (or want to end the game entirely) get shot.
No. Npr interviewed the new York times dude and said he was at 1/8000 exposure. Can't get into the nyt article.
So, still no clear picture of the weapon Crooks used being paraded on the national media? Must be the first time ever! Probably such an inconsequential event, they're not covering it.
@DocUSMCRetired, in your previous post, are you saying that the optic on Crooks rifle is known to authorities, but not being released to the media/public? Also, we know the caliber (finally), but not much about the actual ammunition, right? This story is giving fast enough, it's hard to stay up to date.
Without showing the entire weapon system, it's hard to know if the shooter was an untrained hack, or narrowly missed the shot of the century.
Off-hand shot with Irons and a 4 MOA system is different than a bipod/rear bag and a 10x magnified optic with Black Hills 77gr...Those details will heavily influence the future conversation.
@DocUSMCRetired, in your previous post, are you saying that the optic on Crooks rifle is known to authorities, but not being released to the media/public? Also, we know the caliber (finally), but not much about the actual ammunition, right? This story is giving fast enough, it's hard to stay up to date.
Without showing the entire weapon system, it's hard to know if the shooter was an untrained hack, or narrowly missed the shot of the century.
Off-hand shot with Irons and a 4 MOA system is different than a bipod/rear bag and a 10x magnified optic with Black Hills 77gr...Those details will heavily influence the future conversation.
Are we talking about this pic?
If so, zooming in to the ear, it doesn't look big enough to be scars, and its too long. It looks like blood. And the back of the jaw/ear absolutely looks like an exit wound, I don't know who said it before that there is no exit wound from this. All the blood running down his face likely came from that wound.
Most people are assuming that he was hit in the mouth, based on the fact you can't see his upper incisors in the death-pic. If you zoom in on a good screen, I believe the teeth are visibly intact and are actually just hidden behind a thick film of dark, clotted blood. Thus, I don't believe he was hit in the mouth because if you look close you can see the teeth are still there. If you take that pic, expand it and re-orient it to vertical instead of horizontal, there appears to be some type of distortion of the anatomical lines (wound?) above his left eye. Also, you can see another larger defect behind/below his right ear in the upper neck region. Purely by coincidence (having nothing to do with the physics of the shot), the large streak of blood streaking diagonally across his face pretty much "illustrates" the path of the bullet through his head "IF" (and its just an IF) these two anomalies in the photo are actually entrance/exit wounds.
Also, that weird, freakishly-shaped ear has to belong to Crooks as compared to his other photos.
So, it was Blackrock and Vanguard shorting the DJT stock, and the kid was in a Blackrock commercial? I'm sure that's all just a coincidence
The shorter list would be who shouldn't be investigated.
If they investigated everyone thats guilty of treason and conspiracy to assassinate a political opponent, it would be on the scale of the Neuremberg Trials.
Yep. Looks to me like entry around left orbital and exit below/behind right ear.
However, that doesn't line up with how he was supposedly oriented and where the known sniper teams were. If he was prone, mounted behind his rifle, that would mean this particular shot (if that's what happened) came from the CS team up and to camera-left of Trump (shooter's 10:00 - 11:00). But I thought they were the ones who had no line of sight due to trees?
If it's Team 3 as pictured earlier, who took this shot, it would have come from shooter's 1:00 or so, from all the way across the field. And the wound would be on the right side of his face?
Per interview said 1/8000 shutter speed.
Doing some quick rough math.
Mv taken from search. Bullets used in AB. Hornady 55gr fmj, Hornady 62gr fmj, Sierra 77gr match king.
1/8000 second is 0.8 milliseconds
55gr mv 3100.
130 yards 2600ish. 31.2 inches per millisecond.
Max length is 25 inch blur.
62gr mv2900
130 yd 2470ish. 29.6 in/ms
Max length 23.6 inches
77gr mv 2650
130 yd 2350ish. 28.3 in/ms
Max length 22.6 inches
Most cameras have rolling shutter.
Don't know how to account for that or if it is even relevant with how level the shot is to frame level.
Looking at the blur in the background bottom right lens is not stopped down (meaning lens is open with lower F number).
And now, in addition to Butler PD, Pa State Police say "Not my Job".
"Pennsylvania State Police said Tuesday afternoon that it was not responsible for securing the area where the gunman opened fire"
"U.S. Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle confirmed that local police were present inside the building at the same time the shooter was on the roof firing at Trump"
"A Butler Township police officer climbed up on the roof and tried to engage the gunman who turned his weapon to the officer, causing him to retreat back down, Butler County Sheriff Michael T. Slupe told ABC News, adding that he was informed of the encounter by other law enforcement officials."
"Snipers that were a part of the Butler County Emergency Services Unit were also stationed inside the building that Crooks had hunkered down on,"
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"Pennsylvania State Police said Tuesday afternoon that it was not responsible for securing the area where the gunman opened fire"
"U.S. Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle confirmed that local police were present inside the building at the same time the shooter was on the roof firing at Trump"
"A Butler Township police officer climbed up on the roof and tried to engage the gunman who turned his weapon to the officer, causing him to retreat back down, Butler County Sheriff Michael T. Slupe told ABC News, adding that he was informed of the encounter by other law enforcement officials."
"Snipers that were a part of the Butler County Emergency Services Unit were also stationed inside the building that Crooks had hunkered down on,"
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EXIF data should exist for the original photo that would detail all the camera settings. And depending on camera make/model and lens make/model, different shutter designs. That said, the "rolling shutter" effect doesn't typically apply to still images, only video. For example, when you see video or still image grab from a video of a helicopter rotor or airplane prop and it's warped. It wouldn't affect the type of image we're talking about here.
Not only that, but some lenses have internal leaf shutters. And photog may or may not have used a strobe/flash to get an even faster effective shutter speed. I haven't seen/read anything about the photog's setup. If photo used a mirrorless camera, then that's another can of worms.
Max shutter flash sync speed for Canon eos 1dx mkiii is 1/250. Pretty common speed for all flashes.
Now his earlobes aren’t attached to his neck again? This is so weird.
Yes, I agree it doesn't line up with where the CS team would have fired from unless Crooks moved to retreat/re-position and finally gave the team behind Trump a clear shot around the tree, OR he turned to retreat and gave Team 3 a different target orientation than we assume they had. I'm not sure either of those are very likely, but my main point was that I don't think he was shot in the mouth as everyone seems to think.
Are you saying it would be "Trump Force 1?" I think there's a reason why he has his own aircraft and hand-selects his pilots... Maybe it would be "AF1" when he's back in office but I think that would be a huge stretch anyway....
Planes have mechanics/ground crew.
Wouldn't take much for someone that knows what they're doing to sabotage some shit.
Thanks ... facts still fuzzy on this one it seems. May have been a traffic grunt on the ground firing his Glock up in the air ... somewhere a couple hundred yards away may be a dead pig or chicken.
Whatever plane he is in being bombed/sabotaged/shot down and all the Pravda reports it as some mechanical failure.
Anyone that thinks the above couldn’t happen hasn’t been paying attention
Yeah, but they're Trump's ground crew and subject to the same loyalty scrutiny as his pilots. Perhaps, even more, given they are the ground crew.
I would, however, be concerned with Trump Force 1 being shot down by some kind of SAM or Stinger or something. They best make sure his flight schedules and "Wheels up" times are kept highly confidential. The first few thousand feet of Wheels up time is the most dangerous/vulnerable time for being hit with SAM/Stinger. When the target is "at altitude," it's probably out of range. When it's landing, there's always the risk of a "go-around" and a change of landing runway. Hard to set up. Furthermore, take off is more risky as the aircraft is fully fueled. It would "blow up real good!"
We have mapped out the known impacts and it draws a straight line from the shooters known location to the equipment that was holding the speakers that blew a hydraulic line or cylinder.
Trump was literally surrounded by people and things.
If shots came in from other angles, there would of been victims in other places. There weren't, not that's been reported anyways.
I catch the bullet trace on cell phone video all the time. Just screen shot that and there's your amazing impossible to capture picture of bullet trace.
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