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IEC rule change, but the components were adjusted to have just a single skew for all markets and not lose performance and stay inside the new rules. The technology upgrade means no loss in performance.Just noticed the Gen 1s were Class 1M but now the Gen 2s are Class 1...
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Safety concerns?
Maybe a sensor upgrade allowing for lower MPE?
Gen1 - 55W 905nm 20ns
Gen2 - 54.5W 905nm 16.5ns
Well it arrived. Seems to be VERY good. I love the app and ease of use. It is very particular to being focused for the current user. I know most binos are in some way....but this one took a little more time to understand the focus sequence. It's still a piece of cake, but don't expect to just hand it to your buddy for his review and expect that he will get it focused just by turning the main focus barrel. You could get lucky, but most likely each eye piece and the menu will need to be specifically focused. Again, not a big deal and once focused for me, it was golden. The rangefinder is flat out amazing how fast and ease of getting little objects at distance. I had the 3200.com and though a fan, the Sig Rangefinder blows it and anything else away that I have tried to date. The quick wind adjustment is really cool as well. Didn't think much of it until playing with it.....Bottom line: So far so WOW!!Awesome....Ordered and got shipping notification. Can't wait to try them.
The Kilo 10k includes a weatherflow in the box.Question for everyone with them. I'm wanting to buy a wind meter to go with them to mount on my tripod. There's the one brand windflow or something similar that they actually detail in the manual and then there's the kestrel 2700.
Do any of them actually link to the compass of the Kilos and provide updated wind holds or do they all require you to input the wind through the buttons on the binos?
There's not a lot of great info in the manual about this function.
Unfortunately, Sig decided not to include the weatherflows with the gen 2s.The Kilo 10k includes a weatherflow in the box.
I've got a weatherflow lying around, but I haven't used it with gen 2s yet. I'll see if I can find the time to mess with the gen 2s and weatherflow this afternoon.Question for everyone with them. I'm wanting to buy a wind meter to go with them to mount on my tripod. There's the one brand windflow or something similar that they actually detail in the manual and then there's the kestrel 2700.
Do any of them actually link to the compass of the Kilos and provide updated wind holds or do they all require you to input the wind through the buttons on the binos?
There's not a lot of great info in the manual about this function.
Can you elaborate on some of the features? Will it utilize the compass to automatically adjust windhold?The Kilo 10K Gen 2s are going to work with the Calypso AB Mini. A rechargeable 7 day battery life ultrasonic wind meter the size of an old film canister.
So there is a new piece of calypso equipment interfaced with an AB software suite? Sounds great. I'm hoping this will also work with the AB in the new vector-x I have coming!The Kilo 10K Gen 2s are going to work with the Calypso AB Mini. A rechargeable 7 day battery life ultrasonic wind meter the size of an old film canister.
It's already available, take out your credit card.So there is a new piece of calypso equipment interfaced with an AB software suite? Sounds great. I'm hoping this will also work with the AB in the new vector-x I have coming!
I've known of these and been around a few. It sounded as if there is a new AB derived unit, but I probably didn't understand him right.It's already available, take out your credit card.
Ultrasonic Portable Mini AB
The smallest wind meter and datalogger that gives you Wind Speed & Directioncalypsoinstruments.com
Question for everyone with them. I'm wanting to buy a wind meter to go with them to mount on my tripod. There's the one brand windflow or something similar that they actually detail in the manual and then there's the kestrel 2700.
Do any of them actually link to the compass of the Kilos and provide updated wind holds or do they all require you to input the wind through the buttons on the binos?
There's not a lot of great info in the manual about this function.
It does. However, it uses the kestrel to do the calculations. I noticed a couple things when using my 5700X with the gen 2s- the kestrel needs to be really close to the binos and the kestrel allows for more user error. My kestrel would disconnect from the kilos once it passed 3ish feet from the binos. There's probably a setting for it somewhere, but I couldn't figure out how to have the binos send inclination angle to the kestrel automatically. IMO, the kilos make it easier for the user to aim at the target and have everything they'll need in one image. It's also super convenient to get all of your holds while you're also finding the stage targets at matches. You're already searching for targets, you may as well simultaneously get your data.Won't the Kestrel Elite also work with the 10K Gen 2 units?
You have to tell it to show the external ballistics data instead of the built in. However, both should be the same so it makes a lot of sense to me to keep it all inclusive and use the solver in the binos.Wished the Gen 2's had lens caps but not a big deal. Like others have said, the laser is very quick on these.
I tried to pair mine up to my friends Kestrel but could not get it to read out the ballistics on the binos.
It does work with the Vector XSo there is a new piece of calypso equipment interfaced with an AB software suite? Sounds great. I'm hoping this will also work with the AB in the new vector-x I have coming!
Yes, I got them to communicate and the results shows up on both binos and Kestrel now. Not sure I can dictate to either use the binos or the Kestrel solver but it works pretty seamless albeit slightly slower when ranging a target.You have to tell it to show the external ballistics data instead of the built in. However, both should be the same so it makes a lot of sense to me to keep it all inclusive and use the solver in the binos.
Is CalypsoInstruments.com the best place to order these or should we wait for a US vendor to start selling these?It does work with the Vector X
The US Vendor is here: https://ballisticswindmeters.com/Is CalypsoInstruments.com the best place to order these or should we wait for a US vendor to start selling these?
Glass seems better. Less blue obviously but I see more blue in the right tube than the left, which seems clearer. I’m sure someone will say it’s the coating, maybe it is.
But, I also might be Sig’s first warranty claim. There is dust or some kind of aberration in my left tube about the 9:30 position. Noticeable on target or in sky view. I’ll see what they say the turnaround time is but these shouldn’t have left the factory after a qc check. I sold my gen 1’s, and the vector x’s are a little slow getting delivered and I have a couple matches I want to shoot in the interim. Sending them in, with a shit turnaround time, isn’t really an option so I might have to wait.
95% seems kind of subjective, but I’m not going to argue with a numbers nerd. In my own subjective opinion, they’re “way less” blue than Gen 1. Left side isn’t blue at all.The Blue Tint was reduced by a minimum of 95% per production.
the 95% is a production number off calibration. I can understand the subjectiveness of how peoples eyes view color differently. But it was reduced 95%.95% seems kind of subjective, but I’m not going to argue with a numbers nerd. In my own subjective opinion, they’re “way less” blue than Gen 1. Left side isn’t blue at all.
Same, I dont even care about it anymore.I have grown accustom to the blue tint on mine and don’t really notice it anymore but it’s great to see that they are upgrading and listening to customer feedback
then why not just buy the Vector X binos? seems like they beat out the Sig!I seem to remember getting my Kilo 3000s for like $900. These new ones are $2499? I hope the glass quality is a significant jump
Frankly, I didn't spend enough time behind them to discern the difference.How did the 10k g2’s compare to the SLCs for reading mirage
I don't think you'll be disappointed.I think i will sell my trusty 6k for a gen2 10k
So for internal ballistics with a wind meter paired you just have to re-lase your target & the new windage value will display, right? I'd like the availability of on demand/immediate updates/recalc w/ current environmentals (e.g. a simple re-lase), but I'm not really sold on the utility of truly live updates to the bino's display.He told me that no wind meter will link to the Gen 2s and update speed and direction while still using the internal ballistics.
DittoJust in case someone else is checking the forums daily for glass quality info like I was, I figured I'd share my experience with the Gen 2s. I received them yesterday. It's pretty smokey where I'm at right now but I was able to compare them side by side with Leica geovids (3200.coms) and I was pretty impressed. The only thing the geovids do better in my opinion is the ergonomics. They are a little more comfy to hold and the eye cups seem to fit my face a little better. But I'm pretty happy with the Gen 2s.