Six Sigma Lilja 12.5 6mm ARC Barrel - Results?

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I'm looking for max accuracy from this build. Would love to know firsthand results on accuracy expectations. My 18" Proof shoots consistently half moa and I'd love to come as close to that as possible with the 12.5".

Considering this and other barrel options.

Thanks so much!
 
Curious on accuracy at distance vs 100yds.

Is your 18" Proof still ½ moa at 1000yd
I've shot for confirmation out to 700 yards. Consistent hits (i.e. 5/5 once dialed) on a 4" plate so confirmed at that distance. My next plate was at 1200 yards and my magazine started malfunctioning. Every other shot the bolt would outrun the mag and dent the case badly. Happened with two separate 17 round E-Lander magazines.

Load was 108 ELDs over Varget and CCI 450s.
 
Also - still hoping for input on the 12.5" Lilja... :)

Maybe it's worth asking how the 12.5" Lilja Grendel's are shooting?
I’m with you on this. My 18” Odin ARC shoots really, really well. My 12” Monster barrel is starting to settle in at about 1.25 moa at 100 yards with the -M and -X factory loads. That’s really not that bad since I don’t shoot past 200 yards, but still I want to tighten it up a bit.

I’m mulling over rebuilding it with a Mos-Tek, McGowen, Lilja or some other 10 to 12 inch tube. Just haven’t committed the cash needed to take the plunge yet.

I’ll try to spend some time over at the Grendel and ARC forums and see if there are any recent reviews.
 
I’m with you on this. My 18” Odin ARC shoots really, really well. My 12” Monster barrel is starting to settle in at about 1.25 moa at 100 yards with the -M and -X factory loads. That’s really not that bad since I don’t shoot past 200 yards, but still I want to tighten it up a bit.

I’m mulling over rebuilding it with a Mos-Tek, McGowen, Lilja or some other 10 to 12 inch tube. Just haven’t committed the cash needed to take the plunge yet.

I’ll try to spend some time over at the Grendel and ARC forums and see if there are any recent reviews.
Let me know what you find! I have a 12.5" Faxon Match Big Gunner that shoots about the same as your Monster barrel, but want more since the 12.5" 6mm ARC is very capable out to extended ranges.
 
I didn’t find much on either site, so I started threads on both.
Out of curiosity, what optic are you planning for your 12.5" ARC? I have a PA 1-8 Raptor on there now, but want to push out to 800-1k at my elevation and want a better reticle/setup. Thinking of a Swampfox Arrowhead 1-10 with Mil reticle, Athlon BTR 1-10 with MOA holdover/wind calls and the Athlos 2-12 BTR in Mil.
 
For testing its potential for precision I have a NightForce NX8 2.5-20x on it now. Talk about over-kill when the longest range I have is 200 yards! But I really love the scope and the magnification compensates for older eyes. I have an identical scope on my 18” ARC.

When I get done with the testing, I have a Trijicon 1-8x Accupower I might use, although the NightForce NX8 1-8x and the new EoTech Vudu 1-10x keep whispering in my ear.
 
Quick update - spoke with Paul at Craddock Precision (after speaking with Brady at Bartlein). He said he could run a 12.5" (or whatever inch) with the gas length of his choosing in about 3-4 months for about $400.

Given all options - think it's worth running with Craddock over others? I know Lilja is reputable and accurate - it is also avaialble. But zero response or support from Six Sigma so far.
 
Quick update - spoke with Paul at Craddock Precision (after speaking with Brady at Bartlein). He said he could run a 12.5" (or whatever inch) with the gas length of his choosing in about 3-4 months for about $400.

Given all options - think it's worth running with Craddock over others? I know Lilja is reputable and accurate - it is also avaialble. But zero response or support from Six Sigma so far.
Craddock is a known reputable group. If they say they can produce a barrel for you that preforms, then I'd believe them. Same with CLE and PF for that matter.
What blanks would Craddock be using? Barlein I would assume? We know Lilja will be using, well,... Lilja barrels. I'd take a Bart over a Lil any day, and Lilja barrels are no slouch.
 
I'm looking for max accuracy from this build. Would love to know firsthand results on accuracy expectations. My 18" Proof shoots consistently half moa and I'd love to come as close to that as possible with the 12.5".

Considering this and other barrel options.

Thanks so much!
Any AR that shoots "consistently half moa", I would leave exactly as it is. Most bolt guns won't shoot that good.

I have been shooting AR's since 1982 and have owned quite a few. I only have one that is capable of that kind of accuracy. It is a Noveske N4 Gen III. It only shoots this well using my precision hand loads. It really likes Berger 77 VLD Hybrids.

These 3 shot groups were shot one right after the other the third one was with my Surefire SOCOM suppressor attached. Also, I was using a Leupold MK8 (8 power max) scope with bipod and rear bag. Might shoot even better with a higher power optic and better rest.

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Any AR that shoots "consistently half moa", I would leave exactly as it is. Most bolt guns won't shoot that good.

I have been shooting AR's since 1982 and have owned quite a few. I only have one that is capable of that kind of accuracy. It is a Noveske N4 Gen III. It only shoots this well using my precision hand loads. It really likes Berger 77 VLD Hybrids.

These 3 shot groups were shot one right after the other the third one was with my Surefire SOCOM suppressor attached. Also, I was using a Leupold MK8 (8 power max) scope with bipod and rear bag. Might shoot even better with a higher power optic and better rest.
Agreed - I am lucky enough to have 3 AR platforms that are consistently in that range and only one bolt gun.

AR Variants:
1. Daniel Defense M4V11 shooting either 75 BTHP over Varget or factory 69 BTHP - I will never sell this rifle as it shoots so far above my expectations.
2. Radian 6mm ARC Build - has 18" Proof tube, JP BCG, Radian Builder Kit, SLR Adj Gas, trued lockup. Shoots best with 108 EDLM over Varget but also shoots 105 Hybrids with near identical results
3. Desert Tech MDRx shooting the same 75 BTHP over Varget load I use in all my ARs. I was completely shocked at the accuracy I've been getting with both 5.56 and 6.5 Creedmoor out of this platform.

Bolt Gun:
1. Desert Tech SRS-A1 - shoots lights out all the time.

I am the limiting factor for all of my rifles, but when I find some talent, each of these deliver very repeatable groups in the half minute range of .4-.6 (my definition) for 3 shot groups. The SRS has delivered 3-shot groups under .2" but that is a 1 in 10 thing.

First 7 shots from the Radian 6mm ARC - 100 yards, 1" squares (finger included for scale) :)
6 ARC - First Shots.jpg

Here's 2 shots to zero and 5 shots to confirm with the same rifle, but a different scope - same range, same distance.
6 ARC Zero.jpg

Here's the SRS doing a load test with Reloder 17. I REALLY, REALLY wish it was a reliable load with our temperature swings here in Utah...but alas...
SRS - RL17 Test.jpg
 
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Craddock is a known reputable group. If they say they can produce a barrel for you that preforms, then I'd believe them. Same with CLE and PF for that matter.
What blanks would Craddock be using? Barlein I would assume? We know Lilja will be using, well,... Lilja barrels. I'd take a Bart over a Lil any day, and Lilja barrels are no slouch.
This is great feedback - I've yet to own a Bartlein. This would be my first!

I think I'm going to pull the trigger on the Craddock Bartlein. Fingers crossed for sub-moa performance.
 
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