"Smallbore F-Class'" coming soon per NRA!!!

#51
I am surprised they did not go with this target. I do not have the 1000 yd reduced. But, as I have said in the past, we make our own bulliten that has the NRA SB ruled targets in it, we (or you depending) can add what you want on that bulletin.
 

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We shot these targets today at the Tennessee State Championships. It was a big change from the old targets but it was fun. Winds were real switchy. We had one clean target at 100yds and one clean at 50yds over the two days. Small turnout for F-class. (4 shooters). 20 or so smallbore shooters. Already looking forward to the next one.

Eddie
 
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tansinator said:
We shot these targets today at the Tennessee State Championships. It was a big change from the old targets but it was fun. Winds were real switchy. We had one clean target at 100yds and one clean at 50yds over the two days. Small turnout for F-class. (4 shooters). 20 or so smallbore shooters. Already looking forward to the next one.

Eddie
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Did you get any pictures Eddie? I too would like to give this a go, but I expect I'll just have to do it on my own as I live so far away from civilization where a good turn out for a club meet is 4 to 6 shooters, and at best 1 or 2 know what they're doing, LOL!!! Someday I'll get to one of these events.
 
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Joe. pictures of what? Targets, competitors, scores??? I kept a couple of targets, good ones of course. So did one of my shooting buddies. There were pics taken at the match that I might could get to post. Let me know.

Eddie
 
#63
I am happy that you guys are enjoying this new discipline.

At the same time I am seriously concerned that the part of the NRA dealing with shooting sports is loosing touch with reality.

On the political front, the NRA makes the point that an AR15 has legitimate sporting purposes but then uses "sparrow" guns for their newest addition to competitive disciplines. How long will it take the next crafty gun grabber to conclude that a 22LR is sufficient for "sporting purposes" if we just make the targets smaller?

While other organizations come up with events that cater to the arsenal and training needs of the common man (like 3Gun), the NRA creates yet another discipline for specialized sporting goods that have no practical use. And even if a "modern sporting gun" is chosen for competition, it gets used (or abused) like an old Sharps rifle as evidenced in the attached picture.

Maybe it is time to adjust the NRA disciplines to the times we live in by reinforcing the political message and by paying attention to the trends in the firearms industry. Or does anyone think that 22LR Anschuetz rifles, coats, mitts, and slings were flying off the shelves during the last gun hording craze?
 

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#64
The biggest disappointment of this weekend is that we had zero junior shooters. We haven't had any for the last two years. Prior to that we always had anywhere from 1-5 juniors shooters. We are failing the youth in this country. I don't care if its highpower, smallbore, 3-gun, we need to get the younger generation involved. I was the youngest shooter at the state championship and one of two under the age of 50. Something is wrong here.



Take a kid to shoot every chance you get!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eddie
 
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tansinator said:
The biggest disappointment of this weekend is that we had zero junior shooters. We haven't had any for the last two years. Prior to that we always had anywhere from 1-5 juniors shooters. We are failing the youth in this country. I don't care if its highpower, smallbore, 3-gun, we need to get the younger generation involved. I was the youngest shooter at the state championship and one of two under the age of 50. Something is wrong here.



Take a kid to shoot every chance you get!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eddie
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I am currently more concerned about finding the time to reload the ammo my nephew and his friends gobble up over the course of a weekend. I also see plenty of other youngsters at local 3 Gun and IDPA/IPSC matches. Teenagers are not stupid, they are drawn to disciplines where their physical abilities can give them an edge.

If on the other side of the spectrum a new NRA discipline is created explicitly for the physiological needs of the establishment, does anyone honestly expect newcomers to come flocking to these events?
 
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tansinator said:
Alpine44, this thread is about shooting Fclass 22lr. It would be proper for you to start your own thread about your concerns with the NRA and what they are doing wrong. Just a thought:)

Eddie
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You got a point with keeping the focus of this thread.

However, you were concerned that the youth is not attending the current NRA events and I just wanted to provide some perspective. When men mention problems, I mention possible solutions. Empathy and coddling I tend to reserve for women.

Again, I am happy that some have a good time with the new class.

Enjoy.
 
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#73
Alpine44,

The solution is simple, take a kid shooting, no matter the discipline. Children learn by what we as parents or mentors teach them. Give them every opportunity available and let them choose or see where they excel. There is no reason to place the blame on the NRA.



Eddie
 
#78
Not to toot ny own horn, but I won the Texas State F-Class TR Smallbore Championship with a score of 1583-94X (out of 1600-160X). Here is how it's not tooting my own horn... only 2 f-class shooters showed up. And the other guy who showed up is in my local club...

I figured in all of Texas, we would get more than Tenessee. Heck, we had shooters coming in from New Mexico and Oklahoma for sling and jacket. We had 22 shooters show up for slung up prone. Not bad. The top 2 shooters were women and were separated by x count, each having dropped only one point. One of those was a junior (she took second).

We need to do a better job promoting this if we want the sport to stick around. BTW... we had a lot of juniors, both girls and boys. I would estimate a third of shooters were juniors. I think this is because they were affiliated with 4H, which is very strong in our area.

Please, if y'all have one of these matches, please post scores. I would like to establish a baseline. I don't think the NRA has a bead on it yet.
 
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#79
alpine44 said:
At the same time I am seriously concerned that the part of the NRA dealing with shooting sports is loosing touch with reality.

On the political front, the NRA makes the point that an AR15 has legitimate sporting purposes but then uses "sparrow" guns for their newest addition to competitive disciplines. How long will it take the next crafty gun grabber to conclude that a 22LR is sufficient for "sporting purposes" if we just make the targets smaller?

While other organizations come up with events that cater to the arsenal and training needs of the common man (like 3Gun), the NRA creates yet another discipline for specialized sporting goods that have no practical use
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A couple points. First, THIS is exactly what the gun controllers want... division among the ranks. Hunters against tactical guys, tactical guys against smallbore shooters, sling against bipods. More shooting sports equals more shooters, it is just that simple.

Second, kids are not attracted to IDPA, USPA, and multigun because they are being strategic about their physical capabilities; it is because it mimics the action of first person shooter video games and modern movies. If there were a sport that required firing pistols in both hands simultaneously, kids would be all over that, too.

I was shooting next to a 12 year old today. I asked his mom when he started. He started at 10, but he has a brother who is 9 and shoots competitively. As a parent, I would not start my kid off in IDPA anywhere close to that age. It is extremely difficult to manage gun safety with a pistol. It is so easy to muzzle flash people. I have been at the range when an IDPA or USPA (I don't know which) competitor shot himself. I started to ask about it and they were saying it wasn't as bad as when the last guy got shot (same sport). Downrange is not easily defined. When you are moving and shooting, stuff happens. I am not against the sport, but you have to understand parents concerns in an age where parents aren't letting their kids play football because of fear of concussions.

We teach "useless" skills like shooting smallbore for the same reason that people have been teaching archery for centuries after the invention of black powder rifles. It teaches discipline, patience, and hard work. There is not a lot of instant gratification from pumping adrenaline, and, in fact, that is why we teach it. It takes time to master the skills necessary to compete. It is all about marksmanship, something this Forum is supposed to promote.

That is not to say I hate racing pistol and multigun. I say the more the merrier. There are already tv programs dedicated to these sports. That fact did not prevent the gun grabbers from calling for an assault weapons ban. Banning smallbore events is simply not going to help the case against gun control. We need more shooters of all disciplines and we need more gun owners... and more responsible gun owners.
 
#82
So I tried this at 100 yards today with a buddy of mine, just playing around and seeing just how difficult this was going to be.

HOLY COW!!!!!!

I am not good enough at this yet, out of the 60 rounds (3 matches) I would say I am lucky to be sharpshooter. In normal F/TR I made Expert last year. so in F/TR small bore I have some room to go.

First and Foremost I need to put a better scope on the Anny.

What are you guys using? I am planning on trying my sightron Siii 6-24 next time....
 
#87
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I know which targets are used as they are stated on NRA Rules, but anyone could post a photo of the target, may be with a ruler, so the guys that does not live in US can take a look at the targets of F-SBR ?

Thanks,

LRCampos.
 
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LRCampos said:
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I know which targets are used as they are stated on NRA Rules, but anyone could post a photo of the target, may be with a ruler, so the guys that does not live in US can take a look at the targets of F-SBR ?

Thanks,

LRCampos.
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I might make one and post it. Right now, I have a target that has 24 properly dimensioned 9-X Rings on an 8.5X11" page. I figure if I drop one out of the 9, I don't need to see more rings... it's a bad shot. This is for 50. For 100, I again have 6 9 and 10-rings on an 8.5X11" page. These really are tough targets. Getting cleans is challenging. That's the way it should be.
 
#89
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Thank you Mr. Mayfield.

I just saw that there are some target photos on the top of this page... the photos are the ISSF (former UIT) .22LR Prone and 3 Position rifle targets. Are the oficial NRA targets the same as the ISSF targets?


LRCampos.
 
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#90
Observation from today. I switched from black box Eley back to Sk Plus from my last match. With the black box Eley I shot just over 98% in a 320 shot match. Today I shot in a 120 shot match in like conditions and score was 96.1%. Equipment definitely plays a huge part in this game in my opinion. Does anyone else have any similar experiences?

Eddie
 
#92
I shot an 800 point match this weekend. 199-17X (50 yard), 198-12X (50 Yard), 196-9X (100 Yard), 194-6X (100 Yard). Conditions were perfect for the first yard match and it showed! While I have cleaned the 50 yard match before, it is a beautiful target with a dropped shot because of ammo. 17 X's is definitely my highest X-count. This was my first match to shoot with a tuner and it went well until the wind really picked up during the 100 yard match. Still, for the 100 yard portion, all of my shots had the vertical to be within the 10 ring, so clearly, it was always my wind read costing me.

As to the question on match ammo... I haven't tried venturing outside of my good ammo for matches. I am not willing to give up any edge I have in competition. I am just too competitive of a person to not do everything in my power to win.
 
#94
I just attended the Black Hawk open in Dawsonville, GA this weekend and shot next to Eddie. It was my first F-SBR match and Eddie provided me with a wealth of knowledge and information. He also let me shoot his "spare" Anschutz 54 on the second day of the match.

Thanks, Eddie...I learned more in two days about smallbore shooting than the previous 53 years of my life!
 
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#95
Lance, it was great meeting you this weekend. I hope you had a great time, that's what it's all about. You were a fast learner. I hope to see you at future matches.

Eddie

StandingTall said:
I just attended the Black Hawk open in Dawsonville, GA this weekend and shot next to Eddie. It was my first F-SBR match and Eddie provided me with a wealth of knowledge and information. He also let me shoot his "spare" Anschutz 54 on the second day of the match.

Thanks, Eddie...I learned more in two days about smallbore shooting than the previous 53 years of my life!
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#96
Had a blast at Blackhawk/Rivers Bend. I shot my norm, found out it wasn't near good enough to win. A nice gentleman from Baton Rouge put a whooping on us. All of his 50 yard targets were incredible. He had a 200-20x, 3 of the 4 bulls were one hole dead center of the target, 4th bull had a single shot slightly out but still an X for sure. His three sighters were also x's. Thanks to Blackhawk and Rivers Bend for hosting this event. Winning score was 3159-210x.

It was great to meet all the competitors and volunteers that put on the match. I think meeting Walt Walters was one of the highlights of the weekend. He is the man responsible for bringing F-class(FTR and F-Open) to mid and long range shooting as well as bringing F-class to smallbore. You may never see this Walt, but if you do, it was an honor.

Eddie
 
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tansinator said:
Had a blast at Blackhawk/Rivers Bend. I shot my norm, found out it wasn't near good enough to win. A nice gentleman from Baton Rouge put a whooping on us. All of his 50 yard targets were incredible. He had a 200-20x, 3 of the 4 bulls were one hole dead center of the target, 4th bull had a single shot slightly out but still an X for sure. His three sighters were also x's. Thanks to Blackhawk and Rivers Bend for hosting this event. Winning score was 3159-210x.

It was great to meet all the competitors and volunteers that put on the match. I think meeting Walt Walters was one of the highlights of the weekend. He is the man responsible for bring F-class(FTR and F-Open) to mid and long range shooting as well as bringing F-class to smallbore. You may never see this Walt, but if you do, it was an honor.

Eddie
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I am surprised with a 200-20X target, he only agged out at 3159-210X! I guess maybe he didn't do as well at 100 or the wind picked up during the match or both! That is amazing. I have cleaned 1 50 yard target so far, and the X-count on that one was pretty low. Funny thing... it was my very first time to shoot that target. I figured it would be a regular occurrence and it hasn't happened since. I guess there is such a thing as beginner's luck.
 
#99
Carter, He had one triain wreck on the 1st 100 and dropped 11. Other than that he shot pretty well.

clmayfield said:
I am surprised with a 200-20X target, he only agged out at 3159-210X! I guess maybe he didn't do as well at 100 or the wind picked up during the match or both! That is amazing. I have cleaned 1 50 yard target so far, and the X-count on that one was pretty low. Funny thing... it was my very first time to shoot that target. I figured it would be a regular occurrence and it hasn't happened since. I guess there is such a thing as beginner's luck.
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#100
OUCH! That 100 yards can hurt sometimes. Especially in a switchy wind. I find the 100 yard target extremely challenging. Hitting a 5 shot sub-MOA group at 100 is not challenging with a 22. Hitting 20 shots on an MOA-sized circle at 100 yards is tough. I haven't done that yet. Maybe if I see perfect conditions some day.
 
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