I am new to the practice of long distance shooting and I am look at the Tekka T3 Tac in .308 cal. Is this a good platform start a build with? Any opinions on good starter sniper rifle would be appreciated.
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No. I am new deputy with aspirations of sniping for my county.
No. I am new deputy with aspirations of sniping for my county.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kevlars</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am on Ebay ... does that count?</div></div>
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Lmao, priceless
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Tekka? Tikka. Tikka's are good. But there are other platforms that have many more aftermarket parts and are sightly cheaper. When dealing with human lives you'd be better off sticking to rifles that are the standard. Not ones that meet it. FWIW
Tekka? Tikka. Tikka's are good. But there are other platforms that have many more aftermarket parts and are sightly cheaper. When dealing with human lives you'd be better off sticking to rifles that are the standard. Not ones that meet it. FWIW
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$1000-$2000. I know this will take time with my modest income and I want to make sure I start with good quality that will serve me well in both my novice and expert stages of shooting. My dad always taught me "buy once, cry once."
$1000-$2000. I know this will take time with my modest income and I want to make sure I start with good quality that will serve me well in both my novice and expert stages of shooting. My dad always taught me "buy once, cry once."
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Rifle. I plan to thoroughly research each part of my weapon and perchase them seperately. My knowledge of quality equipment is very limited, however. Is that a wise plan?
Rifle. I plan to thoroughly research each part of my weapon and perchase them seperately. My knowledge of quality equipment is very limited, however. Is that a wise plan?
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Take a gander:
http://www.8541tactical.com/budget%20precision%20article.php
Watch the videos too.
Remember, there is more to "sniping" than shooting a rifle.
Take a gander:
http://www.8541tactical.com/budget%20precision%20article.php
Watch the videos too.
Remember, there is more to "sniping" than shooting a rifle.
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Sorry about the misspell. Would you please throw out a few brands that meet the standard. I would love to start some research.
Sorry about the misspell. Would you please throw out a few brands that meet the standard. I would love to start some research.
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I am signing off for now. Thanks to those who welcomed me with understanding and I look forward to future discussions as my shooting begins and continues.
Goss
I am signing off for now. Thanks to those who welcomed me with understanding and I look forward to future discussions as my shooting begins and continues.
Goss
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Awww only Remington and GAP mentioned?
Well after doing my own research (And it being my personal preference) I will be starting with a Savage base and i will be doing the same thing as you are. One part at a time as the funds are available and research is done.
Vix
Awww only Remington and GAP mentioned?
Vix
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Remington 5r, savage 10fcp in McMillan or hs tactical, the tikka sporter may be worth a look.
Personally, I want one of the tikka sporters in 260rem., there just isn't much info on them yet, I haven't seen any extensive accuracy reports.
You could also look to build a rifle
Savage long range precision target action w/target accutrigger $465
Pre-fit aftermarket barrel with wrenches and headspace gauges $500
McMillan, manners, xlr or mcree chassis, $600-$1000
You'd then have a barrel exactly as you want it, with a stock that adjusts and fits you perfectly, a trigger that can be adjusted under 12oz. if you wish.
Remington 5r, savage 10fcp in McMillan or hs tactical, the tikka sporter may be worth a look.
Personally, I want one of the tikka sporters in 260rem., there just isn't much info on them yet, I haven't seen any extensive accuracy reports.
You could also look to build a rifle
Savage long range precision target action w/target accutrigger $465
Pre-fit aftermarket barrel with wrenches and headspace gauges $500
McMillan, manners, xlr or mcree chassis, $600-$1000
You'd then have a barrel exactly as you want it, with a stock that adjusts and fits you perfectly, a trigger that can be adjusted under 12oz. if you wish.
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I just started my first precision rifle as well. If you are a deputy, why go with a rifle (Tikka) that your department probably doesnt have/use. Not that its a bad gun, Im sure its a very capable rifle. But you should probably choose from the Remington line of rifles. Im sure your department will train/field a Remington before Tikka. You can buy an SPS tactical 700 for less than 700$ There are a million upgrades for the 700 base as well. So as you get better your rifle can grow with you. But its your money, either one you choose will be a great platform. Good Luck!
I just started my first precision rifle as well. If you are a deputy, why go with a rifle (Tikka) that your department probably doesnt have/use. Not that its a bad gun, Im sure its a very capable rifle. But you should probably choose from the Remington line of rifles. Im sure your department will train/field a Remington before Tikka. You can buy an SPS tactical 700 for less than 700$ There are a million upgrades for the 700 base as well. So as you get better your rifle can grow with you. But its your money, either one you choose will be a great platform. Good Luck!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: adgoss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">$1000-$2000. I know this will take time with my modest income and I want to make sure I start with good quality that will serve me well in both my novice and expert stages of shooting. My dad always taught me "buy once, cry once." </div></div>
Then you should save a little longer, and get $2500ish together, and buy a sweet custom rifle. LOTS of badass rifles for sale every day here. $2500 will get you a used but awesome GAP, SAC, etc etc etc rifle that will shoot lights out for thousands and thousands of rounds, and be something you can be proud of for a lifetime.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: adgoss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">$1000-$2000. I know this will take time with my modest income and I want to make sure I start with good quality that will serve me well in both my novice and expert stages of shooting. My dad always taught me "buy once, cry once." </div></div>
Then you should save a little longer, and get $2500ish together, and buy a sweet custom rifle. LOTS of badass rifles for sale every day here. $2500 will get you a used but awesome GAP, SAC, etc etc etc rifle that will shoot lights out for thousands and thousands of rounds, and be something you can be proud of for a lifetime.
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How does a Tikka just 'meet the standard'?
I understand that they aren't cheap and parts aren't as readily available, but are you really arguing that their performance is only sub-par or average?
Parker
How does a Tikka just 'meet the standard'?
I understand that they aren't cheap and parts aren't as readily available, but are you really arguing that their performance is only sub-par or average?
Parker
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I have some time behind the Tikka Tactical in .308. My observations:
Very accurate for a factory gun. With the right load and shooter, it will shoot .5 MOA or better. It has a very smooth/fast action. It's light weight. However, it's weight can be a con, as well, especially since the lightweight stock is not very rigid. The other issue with it's light weight is that it jumps quite a bit when fired. The muzzle brake tames this quite well, but I know not everybody likes to use a brake, for various reasons. My biggest complaints about Tikkas, and the Tactical model is no exception, is that they're usually long in the throat, but have a short magazine. So, handloading ammo to it's optimum OAL can be a problem. A new stock/bottom metal can fix this, however.
Overall, I'm a big Tikka fan. Have shot many, own one and have a 6.5x55 Sporter on layaway, at the moment. They're not without their glitches, however.
Hope this helps,
John
I have some time behind the Tikka Tactical in .308. My observations:
Very accurate for a factory gun. With the right load and shooter, it will shoot .5 MOA or better. It has a very smooth/fast action. It's light weight. However, it's weight can be a con, as well, especially since the lightweight stock is not very rigid. The other issue with it's light weight is that it jumps quite a bit when fired. The muzzle brake tames this quite well, but I know not everybody likes to use a brake, for various reasons. My biggest complaints about Tikkas, and the Tactical model is no exception, is that they're usually long in the throat, but have a short magazine. So, handloading ammo to it's optimum OAL can be a problem. A new stock/bottom metal can fix this, however.
Overall, I'm a big Tikka fan. Have shot many, own one and have a 6.5x55 Sporter on layaway, at the moment. They're not without their glitches, however.
Hope this helps,
John
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It seems to me, you have a realistic budget.
I went the route of the 5R and have been very pleased, but after adding to it here and there, I will give you some free advice, which is worth exactly what you paid for it.
Go to your local mega-sports store or wlly world that sells firearms. Buy a short action ADL model rifle with a .473 bolt face, this will cost you about 370 dollars.
Schedule work with a smith here on the hide, such as RW Snyder, William Roscoe, Mark Gordon etc... (there are quite a few excellent smiths that inhabit the hide).
Remove the stock and send the barreled action in for truing and barrel install. This will set you back about 550 to 650 dollars. Have that smith install a Shilen, Timney or Rifle Basix trigger set to 3.5 lbs (about 150). While the action is at the smith, buy a bell and carlson M40 style stock, send it to Jeff at CDI, have him inlet the stock for his excellent bottom metal and buy a 5 round AI magazine. Let him know you are LE.
So, add it all up and you are talking about 1800 or so dollars. You will have a MUCH better rifle than a factory rifle that you will be happy with.
I bought my 5r, installed a new trigger, had a side bolt release installed (not "neccesary") and replaced the admittedly very good stock with an XLR chassis. I'm into the rifle a bit over 2,000 now. It is an excellent shooting rifle, but I still plan on having the action trued and a match grade barrel installed in the future.
You CAN forego the DBM amd buy a cheap SPS model hunting rifle with a BDL floorplate, do everything else. It will be about 200 less all told.
When I attended sniper school, the guy I partnered with had sent a barreled action off to Hart Barrels. They trued his action and installed one of thier excellent barrels for 600 bucks. He had it bedded in a McMillan stock. That damn rifle shot bugholes.
It seems to me, you have a realistic budget.
I went the route of the 5R and have been very pleased, but after adding to it here and there, I will give you some free advice, which is worth exactly what you paid for it.
Go to your local mega-sports store or wlly world that sells firearms. Buy a short action ADL model rifle with a .473 bolt face, this will cost you about 370 dollars.
Schedule work with a smith here on the hide, such as RW Snyder, William Roscoe, Mark Gordon etc... (there are quite a few excellent smiths that inhabit the hide).
Remove the stock and send the barreled action in for truing and barrel install. This will set you back about 550 to 650 dollars. Have that smith install a Shilen, Timney or Rifle Basix trigger set to 3.5 lbs (about 150). While the action is at the smith, buy a bell and carlson M40 style stock, send it to Jeff at CDI, have him inlet the stock for his excellent bottom metal and buy a 5 round AI magazine. Let him know you are LE.
So, add it all up and you are talking about 1800 or so dollars. You will have a MUCH better rifle than a factory rifle that you will be happy with.
I bought my 5r, installed a new trigger, had a side bolt release installed (not "neccesary") and replaced the admittedly very good stock with an XLR chassis. I'm into the rifle a bit over 2,000 now. It is an excellent shooting rifle, but I still plan on having the action trued and a match grade barrel installed in the future.
You CAN forego the DBM amd buy a cheap SPS model hunting rifle with a BDL floorplate, do everything else. It will be about 200 less all told.
When I attended sniper school, the guy I partnered with had sent a barreled action off to Hart Barrels. They trued his action and installed one of thier excellent barrels for 600 bucks. He had it bedded in a McMillan stock. That damn rifle shot bugholes.
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Get a Rem 700P. They are a great rifle with which to start and the base rifle for a lot of agencies.
Get a Rem 700P. They are a great rifle with which to start and the base rifle for a lot of agencies.
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I would take some time and look at the For Sale section on this site and you will find a low mileage rifle that will fit your demands pretty easily. And, you will also get a good understanding of what people upgrade on their rifles. You will see all kinds of rifles on this site that will meet your needs. Just be patient.
I would take some time and look at the For Sale section on this site and you will find a low mileage rifle that will fit your demands pretty easily. And, you will also get a good understanding of what people upgrade on their rifles. You will see all kinds of rifles on this site that will meet your needs. Just be patient.
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some good tac drivers out of the box is what you'll get from the Remington 700 XCR, 700P, and slightly decent out of the 700SPS with greater than an 18" barrel. I use a Rem 700 Sendero SF II platform and its the best accuracy I've seen from an off-the-shelf rifle. I'd recommend Remington like the others above have. There is a reason people still use that action, its been proven time and time again. From Vietnam to OIF/OEF. Possibly before that that as well. Many countries have standard sniper rifles; ie England's AI, Germany's HK PSG-1, US M24-M110-M109-M82A1-M40. Get the fundamentals down before you make a several thousand dollar investment; as far as marksmanship goes. Then ask yourself what you want it for; what range capability you want. Determine the caliber by the ballistic information of the round. Just know, that taking a step as a sniper is a big deal. For my job, its not always about trigger pulling - thats a secondary task aside from Recon. Its a big weight on an average person's mind to pull a trigger to someone who isn't a direct threat to you. Most places train you on someone who is a direct threat - someone who fires directly at you and so on. Now you're pulling a trigger at someone who cant even see you - let alone effectively fire at you. Take this into consideration
some good tac drivers out of the box is what you'll get from the Remington 700 XCR, 700P, and slightly decent out of the 700SPS with greater than an 18" barrel. I use a Rem 700 Sendero SF II platform and its the best accuracy I've seen from an off-the-shelf rifle. I'd recommend Remington like the others above have. There is a reason people still use that action, its been proven time and time again. From Vietnam to OIF/OEF. Possibly before that that as well. Many countries have standard sniper rifles; ie England's AI, Germany's HK PSG-1, US M24-M110-M109-M82A1-M40. Get the fundamentals down before you make a several thousand dollar investment; as far as marksmanship goes. Then ask yourself what you want it for; what range capability you want. Determine the caliber by the ballistic information of the round. Just know, that taking a step as a sniper is a big deal. For my job, its not always about trigger pulling - thats a secondary task aside from Recon. Its a big weight on an average person's mind to pull a trigger to someone who isn't a direct threat to you. Most places train you on someone who is a direct threat - someone who fires directly at you and so on. Now you're pulling a trigger at someone who cant even see you - let alone effectively fire at you. Take this into consideration
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Wow. Thanks. I had a Remington 700 ADL .243 when I was a child. I guess I didn't realize how good a rifle I had. I really appreciate the time and thought and wisdom given to me. It will not go to waste.
I love to shoot!
Goss
Wow. Thanks. I had a Remington 700 ADL .243 when I was a child. I guess I didn't realize how good a rifle I had. I really appreciate the time and thought and wisdom given to me. It will not go to waste.
I love to shoot!
Goss
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Goss,
You may want to consider filling out your profile, especially the "location" information. You may find that there are shooters in your area that are open to showing you the ropes.
Goss,
You may want to consider filling out your profile, especially the "location" information. You may find that there are shooters in your area that are open to showing you the ropes.
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FN Spr(look for one bedded already) add optics of choice and go shoot for a long, long time.
FN Spr(look for one bedded already) add optics of choice and go shoot for a long, long time.
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Remington 700 ltr, based on 700p except smaller, lighter, comes with a 20" fluted barrel, some reported 1/2 moa out of the box, great starter gun. just my .02 cents.
Remington 700 ltr, based on 700p except smaller, lighter, comes with a 20" fluted barrel, some reported 1/2 moa out of the box, great starter gun. just my .02 cents.
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When I attended my sniper school, I used a 20" Savage 10PC.
An accurate rifle that was a joy when carrying around/running.
When you spend a lot of time shooting prone with that light of a rifle, you begin to appreciate one of the benefits of weight. In addition, follow up shots were tedious, as we did quite a bit of shooting off of smooth concrete and you could not "load" the bipod.
The Rem LTR is an excellent rifle, but honestly, if you are thinking of a Rem factory rifle, I would recommend the 700P or the 5R. That extra weight really helps with recoil management.
There are other, excellent factory options.
Winchester Stealth is actually a bit cheaper than the 700P and uses the excellent FN action (this is important when ordering your scope base)
The aforementioned FN series
CZ Varmint Kevlar
Savage FP series (I recommend the model in the HS stock)
The Howa varmint is an excellent budget rifle
Tikka Varmint series, or if you have the scratch, the Tikka Master Sporter (you'll need a can of spray paint for the stock)
Trust me on this:
Now matter what you decide, you are just beginning to spend money, which is why I originally recommended spending the money up front and send an action of to have a semi-custom build.
When I attended my sniper school, I used a 20" Savage 10PC.
An accurate rifle that was a joy when carrying around/running.
When you spend a lot of time shooting prone with that light of a rifle, you begin to appreciate one of the benefits of weight. In addition, follow up shots were tedious, as we did quite a bit of shooting off of smooth concrete and you could not "load" the bipod.
The Rem LTR is an excellent rifle, but honestly, if you are thinking of a Rem factory rifle, I would recommend the 700P or the 5R. That extra weight really helps with recoil management.
There are other, excellent factory options.
Winchester Stealth is actually a bit cheaper than the 700P and uses the excellent FN action (this is important when ordering your scope base)
The aforementioned FN series
CZ Varmint Kevlar
Savage FP series (I recommend the model in the HS stock)
The Howa varmint is an excellent budget rifle
Tikka Varmint series, or if you have the scratch, the Tikka Master Sporter (you'll need a can of spray paint for the stock)
Trust me on this:
Now matter what you decide, you are just beginning to spend money, which is why I originally recommended spending the money up front and send an action of to have a semi-custom build.
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Yah with all honesty after I purchased my LTR I had wished that I went with a 700p, if I where to do it all over again I would go with the 5r or the P, and chop the barrel to a 20", put some nice glass and your good to go.
Yah with all honesty after I purchased my LTR I had wished that I went with a 700p, if I where to do it all over again I would go with the 5r or the P, and chop the barrel to a 20", put some nice glass and your good to go.
