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Rifle Scopes Sniper's Hide Exclusive First Look, Leupold DAGR

Re: Sniper's Hide Exclusive First Look, Leupold DAGR

Not all dudes running this system may want the T1 directly to the 12. Me personally I would rather see the little bugger off to the side or in an offset "oh shit" mount. Not only that but I would like to be able to glance up and see what I've dialed as a reminder. While a dedicated variable such as the 1-8x is awesome, there are plenty of situations were the end user simply won't be able to say "CAR! GAME OFF!" to dial his mag down to engage closer targets quickly. Offset Irons or RDS fill this need.

While I haven't heard anything horrible about the deltapoint, the T1 is and has been a vastly superior product to almost all other RDS sight systems on the market. I've utter FUCK mine over class's, training, deployments, more training, another class and its going strong. Only shifted zero once, dialed 8 clicks back and it was GTG. Huh. Good mounts help as well. Plus, its all been on one batter so far. A battery life of 5 years means I can leave it on the ENTIRE deployment on medium setting without any issues.

The beauty of the H58/Tremor2 for those that are familiar with it is windage is pretty much "set and forget". Zero it, lock it down and never touch it again. Rest assured, those going in to harms way with a Horus get some of the best training on it's use and exploitation. From the guys that developed it no less. Elevation, depending on the magnification I want to take the shot at will be dialed in 5, 10, and 15 mil chunks as needed if I desire to shoot further at a higher mag. Simple. For constant erratic targets such as muhj darting around a battlefield and/or the fluctuating wind your gonna see in city's and mountains, I can speak to the effectiveness of holding vs. taking the time to dial.

Remember, this was not made for civilians, but built to fill a specific requirement requested by NSW/Crane.

Really, the only large difference between this and the vanilla scope is low-pro turrets (the normal 3-18 has zero stop/locking turrets), Tremor2, and a reversed parallax knob. The lack of magnification can be attributed to the targeted end user, IE Police or .mil who have forward mounted NF (such as the PVS-26) thus making it not needed. You can see the intent behind this in the design. The short, blunt shape of the Objective Lens shows this in the planning considerations so you don't have a LOOOONG scope like an S&B 5-25 taking up rail space. Plus it makes it lighter, simpler, and more compact, something that overall is more advantageous.
 
Re: Sniper's Hide Exclusive First Look, Leupold DAGR

Not interested in the auxiliary items at all, just the optic itself.

The T1 mount generates some concern with me though. The cantilever design combined with the slim journal will create an increased potential to crush the optic tube in the event of a heavy impact.
 
Re: Sniper's Hide Exclusive First Look, Leupold DAGR

The Leupold Deltapoint would be the better choice to piggyback on that scope. Chugging up 11,000 ft. hills can get sweaty. Less weight is always better - always.
 
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The less weight at the expense of durability/longevity? I've done HORRENDOUS things to my T1/Larue mounted optic. Training, deployments, more training, carbine class's, etc... and its still going strong. I was not kind to this thing. In fact I'm not kind to any of my gear. Still keeps chugging. While I'm a definite believer in lighter kit, the 3-18x is the size of the 1-8. Slap it on a 16 inch M110K or OBR and you have a pretty light combo all things considered. Justifying the delta point because its lighter is poor reasoning IMHO.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vtb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2 KSwift
i understand how the turrets work.
I not propose to move elevation mechanism to the left side (which basically moves inside the scopetube and travel is around 2 mm)
I propose to move control turret with markings to the left side (which is the bulkiest part sitting on the elevation mechanism and obscuring view)

Systems when direction of drive from the drive shaft must be turned 90 degrees are used for ages.
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Yah, you definitely don't know what you're talking about. Googling beveled gears on Wikipedia doesn't come anywhere near the precision needed for a reliable scope turret mechanism.

Again, I would like to see anyone be dumb enough to try. Like I said before, it would be a considerable waste of money to approach the same level of precision.
 
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when i look at my aviator watches i definetely understand there are companies with enough level of precision machinery.

i don't want to argue with you since for me mark8 cqbss works better than this uber combo.
 
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Here is the Aimpoint offset

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NIce set up, I like the low profile top turret. I read or heard that they may be making a mk 6 3-18 with illumination, any truth to the rumor?

Now if the mk 6 1-6 would start shipping while I wait for an illuminated 3-18
 
Re: Sniper's Hide Exclusive First Look, Leupold DAGR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Virgil072</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The beauty of the H58/Tremor2 for those.....Rest assured, those going in to harms way with a Horus get some of the best training on it's use and exploitation. From the guys that developed it no less. Elevation, depending on the magnification I want to take the shot at will be dialed in 5, 10, and 15 mil chunks as needed if I desire to shoot further at a higher mag. Simple.
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Hmm. Can help myself asking-
To me it sounds one would have to memorize "three different reticles", depenfing how far target is and on which "chunk" elevation turret is at.
And obiviously windage hold-off aiming points must change too as operator may use scale 5, 10 or 15mils "shifted" setting?
 
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Thank you for the photos.

Can you send feedback they should look at a mount that incorporates the T-1 mount on the rings so as to not interfere with operation of the magnification and windage/elevation/parallax adjustments?

One thought would be along the lines of Spuhr; modify the front ring to accept an off-set T-1. They would have to make sure it would clear the front objective. I was at the AUSA convention yesterday and had a chance to speak with Steve Hodges(?) regarding how I have my Mk6 placed and forgot to bring up the question of a DAGR. I did not get a change to speak with Steve DiGregorioI will try to go back tomorrow to ask. I do not think they had one with them.

I discovered the Spuhr mount after I bought my Bobro...

Can you compare contrast the elevation knobs on the "regular" Mk6 and the DAGR version?

Best,

Steve
 
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Last trip to the school house in August, I had a chance to see the reticle and presentation on its use by the instructor cadre. I did not have the sense it was particularly well received by either a majority of the instructors or students. But as usual, Crane gives them something.. and they have work with what they are given. It will require a significant change in the curriculum, and tactical application. It might be a good choice for some applications.... just not the way I am used to using a reticle, or using holds..
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lrs50bmg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Last trip to the school house in August, I had a chance to see the reticle and presentation on its use by the instructor cadre. I did not have the sense it was particularly well received by either a majority of the instructors or students. But as usual, Crane gives them something.. and they have work with what they are given. It will require a significant change in the curriculum, and tactical application. It might be a good choice for some applications.... just not the way I am used to using a reticle, or using holds.. </div></div>

Ya, the Tremor is an abortion... I wish it had a TMR or something more user friendly.

The military has been sold the Horus, hook, line and sinker thanks to the lobbying and money spent. They were the only ones pushing "reticles" and they won the day by doing it how they did... practical use be damned, a few free trinkets to the right people has gone a long way to move us in this direction.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Ya, the Tremor is an abortion... I wish it had a TMR or something more user friendly.

The military has been sold the Horus, hook, line and sinker thanks to the lobbying and money spent. They were the only ones pushing "reticles" and they won the day by doing it how they did... practical use be damned, a few free trinkets to the right people has gone a long way to move us in this direction. </div></div>

This is not the first time, and I am sure not the last time this type of "procurement" will happen! Arrgh! I just feel bad for the guys this has been dumped on.
 
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I'm not a huge fan of the Tremor. H58 is a mil reticle so memorization is no different then anything else. Not terribly complicated. Busy for some, and busy in some environments as Lowlight pointed out in previous conversation. I like it, have good experiance with it, but I wouldnt say no to a TMR either as long as its Mil adjustments.

I like the capped windage on mine. never quite understood why the elevation was lockable on the "Mark 5" 6-20 on the XM2010's... seemed as backwards.