So am I understanding this CA utility/fire problem correctly

[TheGerman]

- PGE services most of the state and/or owns most of the infrastructure which has been in place for basically as long as electricity has existed to some extent

- CA passes all sorts of feel good bullshit regulations, regulating companies like PGE to make a decision between A. upgrade your equipment to the new standard for no other reason than retarded CA thinking which would cost literally billions of dollars and if updated would make everyone in CA's electrical bill look like they lived in WW1 inflation times -OR- leave everything as it is and maintain it in a kind of 'grandfathered' arrangment

- PGE, who wants to update some equipment, but now can't because the CA specific upgrades as opposed to industry accepted upgrades would cost an astronomical amount of money, is held hostage and basically has to just keep fixing old shit

- PGE is 'expected' to continue operating because how dare they not provide us with electricity!

- Old equipment causes fires. Equipment which would have been replaced in the past with industry accepted replacments, but are unacceptable in CA

- More fires from old equipment.

- CA government is mad at PGE

- PGE can't update shit because of the retarded CA requirments

Rinse/repeat?

If this is accurate, have CA people figured out that eventually they wont have an electric company?

 

[hollowoutadime]

If this is accurate, have CA people figured out that eventually they wont have an electric company?

....tell them their iPhones will go dark, then there will be change.

 

[Supersubes]

Very typical mismanagement by California, which will end up costing taxpayer more in the end. Pg&E should have been working in converting the grid to underground lines for the last 30 years, but didn’t want to because...shareholders. Now look, The state will bail them out.

 

[eca7891]

To the op,

You sir would be correct.

You know have more knowledge than the state of California on the state of things.

 

[MtnCreek]

Power stays on in the cities, but is cut to the rural areas. The 'important' people in the rural areas have the means to get off grid power, the rest don't matter. As long as the cities maintain power, I think they can go on like that for years. Maybe they see it as a feature.

 

[Threadcutter308]

Not only that, the environmentalists managed to get legislation passed that bars PGE from clearing brush/growth/trees from under their power lines. Everything grows up, into the power lines, summer/dry season comes and guess what ? Said growth catches on fire from the HV on the power lines, burns down towns and kills multiple dozens of people.

The state’s solution ?

Rinse

Repeat

It’s hard to feel sorry for the dumb bastards that keep voting “those” politicians into office.

 

[Tazman]

But the cities are being taking care of.....any one here see the future?

 

[Threadcutter308]

But the cities are being taking care of.....any one here see the future?

For

Now

 

[TxWelder35]

California is being cleansed by fire. Don't get involved, Just let it happen. Burned ruins of California will provide nutrients and room for new growth. Statewide burning is the only way to fix California now.

 

[nikonNUT]

Spot on except there is another power company at play. Southern California Edison. Not sure how they play out in the state but they are there. Might service some rural stuff as well...

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

if you look at it from the perspective that Commiefornia Gov wants to take over and control the power grid it makes perfect sense.

 

[TheGerman]

It's almost obvious what the long plan is.

Knowingly pass retarded regulations that no one can afford and then eventually, after you get enough short sighted idiots on your side, either let PGE go bankrupt or make a 'state utility' somehow.

At which point they'll see it as how 'green' it'll be, and how everything will only cost X and you'll only see a little bump in your rates, etc. Then once its built, at 10x the cost collecting only 25% of prjoected revenue, you basically won't be able to afford electricity.

But thats fine, because you're helping the word fight climate change, right?

 

[EddieNFL]

Threadcuuter laid it out. Simplified, PG&E is the alleged source of ignition. CA environmental laws are rhe fuel.

 

[Rlandry]

It'a hard to sympathize with people who keep electing Liberal politicians then cry foul when they get screwed by said politicians.

 

[Aries256]

- PGE services most of the state and/or owns most of the infrastructure which has been in place for basically as long as electricity has existed to some extent

- CA passes all sorts of feel good bullshit regulations, regulating companies like PGE to make a decision between A. upgrade your equipment to the new standard for no other reason than retarded CA thinking which would cost literally billions of dollars and if updated would make everyone in CA's electrical bill look like they lived in WW1 inflation times -OR- leave everything as it is and maintain it in a kind of 'grandfathered' arrangment

- PGE, who wants to update some equipment, but now can't because the CA specific upgrades as opposed to industry accepted upgrades would cost an astronomical amount of money, is held hostage and basically has to just keep fixing old shit

- PGE is 'expected' to continue operating because how dare they not provide us with electricity!

- Old equipment causes fires. Equipment which would have been replaced in the past with industry accepted replacments, but are unacceptable in CA

- More fires from old equipment.

- CA government is mad at PGE

- PGE can't update shit because of the retarded CA requirments

Rinse/repeat?

If this is accurate, have CA people figured out that eventually they wont have an electric company?

Sums it up. Replace PG&E with SoCal Edison for the lower half of the state, and its the same thing.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

 

[FS1]

If the one of Lefties only had a brother in law or cousin in the forest cleaning business $$$. This shit would have never happened.

 

[FS1]

...

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

If the one of Lefties only had a brother in law or cousin in the forest cleaning business $$$. This shit would have never happened.

Aint that the truth.

They killed all the local mills and made it illegal to sell a tree off your own property.

 

[ZEROGUY]

I agree with the OP's assessment.

There is no doubt the state's leadership wants to make PGE a public, state owned utility. Where they can operate on public debt to bankroll their NON-SUSTAINABLE green energy initiatives.

However I think the land grab is real agenda here.

PG&E owns land across California. What will happen to it?

The utility is one of the largest private landowners in California, with holdings worth...

www.sfchronicle.com

 

[Maggot]

I dont live in Commiefornia so why should I give a hit. And the red wine is really hitting home.

 

[Ravenworks]

I call bullshit on bankruptcy.
They cried about that when they got found out for poisoning the water table and giving Cancer to all those people.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

I don't know this for sure, but I was told (when I lived in the area) that the power from the Princess Dam (which is second in line from the W.A.C. Bennett Dam, in Hudson's Hope B.C.) was shipped directly to L.A. California. The catenary towers and high-tension lines went all down through the province specifically to sell to the AmeriYanks.

I'll add, that they're in the process of 'approving' a third dam in the area. Many MANY more ranchers, family, and public lands are being flooded out yet again. Anybody ever looked at the size of Williston Lake, and the stands of timber/coal mines that were simply destroyed?

And they want to do this MORE? Don't take my word for any of this, check it out your ownself. I'm all for work, and progress, but I'm for doing it RIGHT. They have 2 (TWO) of the "Worlds Largest Tree Crushers" up there, and they used then to knock down vast swaths of forest. To flood it.

And yes, this stuff IS all publicly funded and government owned up here,,,, so tell me why we still get a bill? We paid for it to be built, and we've enough extra to sell to you, so we shouldn't have to pay for what we paid for, right?

Each month.

 

[Nik H]

The Hutzpah of CA legislators is just mind boggling.

What is even more mind boggling is how people who live there fall for it.

PG&E is being blamed so that the State Government can pass new sweeping controls to regulate the entire energy system. Regulate meaning rape it financially to overcome the incredible shortfall of cash in the coffers. That is the primary motivation for new endeavors (state projects) from the State.

The laughable thing is the "technical" explanation provided. What a crock.

The fact is that the state's "green" regulations against logging has created a rather huge source of fuel. Used to be you could log your own land which requires a shit ton of maintenance work (removing shrubs and ground cover) so you can get to the trees. No logging means no maintenance which creates an abundance of dry fuel that burns quite readily. A collateral impact is an incredible increase in tree density which generally creates disease which kills trees which provides more fuel.

The fucking environmentalists fucked the balance of nature...and the government has a perfect scapegoat to shanghai control of a legitimate utility to pay for all of the "social" programs that the left wanted. What a riot.

Fuck them...the only way it will get fixed is if it burns to the ground...unless a Democrat becomes President because they will get a Federal bailout.

 

[HiDesertELR]

 

[missed]

Converting to underground is unrealistic. 100's of billions of dollars. Just for distribution. Just as much if not more on transmission. It would take 20+ years if they dumped everything they had at it.

Right away management.
Forestry management.

Both the environmentalist and politicians have ruined.

Many other states are very strict on there right of ways. It is the utilities row and they will keep it shredded down chop trees back with plenty of clearance.

Many of these fires have been speculation that a PGE structure or system started the fire. There has been a lack of eye witness seeing the structure or line directly causing the start of the fire. not to mention extreme weather events associated with it.

Half of this is the socialist attempt to break up PGE and take them over.

 

[clcustom1911]

I call bullshit on bankruptcy.
They cried about that when they got found out for poisoning the water table and giving Cancer to all those people.

Hinkley, CA. That's right by one of my local long range/ELR spots. Flat lakebed out to 1800+ yards.

 

[308220]

Its all Trumps fault! Im tellin ya! Its that damn Trump! Got his fingerprints all over it..

 

[sirhrmechanic]

- PGE services most of the state and/or owns most of the infrastructure which has been in place for basically as long as electricity has existed to some extent

- CA passes all sorts of feel good bullshit regulations, regulating companies like PGE to make a decision between A. upgrade your equipment to the new standard for no other reason than retarded CA thinking which would cost literally billions of dollars and if updated would make everyone in CA's electrical bill look like they lived in WW1 inflation times -OR- leave everything as it is and maintain it in a kind of 'grandfathered' arrangment

- PGE, who wants to update some equipment, but now can't because the CA specific upgrades as opposed to industry accepted upgrades would cost an astronomical amount of money, is held hostage and basically has to just keep fixing old shit

- PGE is 'expected' to continue operating because how dare they not provide us with electricity!

- Old equipment causes fires. Equipment which would have been replaced in the past with industry accepted replacments, but are unacceptable in CA

- More fires from old equipment.

- CA government is mad at PGE

- PGE can't update shit because of the retarded CA requirments

Rinse/repeat?

If this is accurate, have CA people figured out that eventually they wont have an electric company?

And PG&E is a gummint owned company...

Atlas Shrugged 100% come to life!

cheers, Sirhr

 

[sirhrmechanic]

It'a hard to sympathize with people who keep electing Liberal politicians then cry foul when they get screwed by said politicians.

Lay in the bed you make!

sirhr

 

[Diver160651]

I am not defending shit, but facts are important.

@TheGerman has the paradox of PG&E summed up well..

To some other points, it might be helpful to consider some additional information.

Most of CA Forest, is National Forest and BLM. Programs managed by the Feds. The crazy fuel load and mismanagement of the fires (putting out all lighting strikes) came to life through anti-burn policy has been in the making for decades. This was in the making before the fires in the news. We had large scary fires including the large ones like Yosemite that are off most your guy’s radar. More than a few scientists (I know an ugly word for some of you), predicted the issues. Some tried to get policy change. Too many artificially supported trees, robs the available water and nutrients of the larger fire resistant trees, smaller less robust trees grow and these smaller trees are not as fire resistant. The larger older trees are robbed of what they need to stay healthy. Pine Beatles and such take advantage of the less healthy trees and become an epidemic killing the weaker and greatly increasing the fuel load.

PGE does cut under their lines including the CA parks and Open Spaces. PGE did cut power to parts of San Jose a city population 3x larger than the state of Wyoming.

Like some others here, I have spent an enormous amount of time in the backcountry. California’s backcountry is insanely large and rugged, larger than some states. Simply putting everything underground is not realistic. The rough backcountry is where much of the power is generated and a lot of it is rock & granite mountains..

As a side note, there are a lot of good people in CA who do not vote for the liberals, have served or serve the country. Good Americans, many here or with families here before the state was blue, before the children of many other state’s where sent to CA for education. Before the students sent from the East Coast created the hippy, Free Speech movements in Berkeley and such. Your states young liberal son’s and daughters have been pouring into California for several decades for the modern Gold Rush of Tech Jobs. Displacing older less liberal people; Granted, the exodus is another issue you guys see. Your state’s less fortunate coming to Ca jobs and then living on the streets. Ya’ll states had a roll in the turning of California blue. So I find the wiling or the willingness to let even the good, honest hardworking non-liberal Americans in Ca burn or be disenfranchised, a bit ironic.


Again, I am not saying your hate for CA or you disgust for people who elected the politicians is wrong.. just adding some fact based info. AJ hated it when I posted all the Federally controlled land and forest maps as well as the policy articles. So out of respect for the fallen AJ, I’ll leave this as it is.


PS: See some of you Hide guys out at our UKD Team Match this weekend. It’s been sold out for almost 4 months, but we have room in our NRL22 Saturday — Pm me if your interested in the 22 match..

 

[Rthur]

Another version of this game:

Labour to Ban Companies from Stock Exchange over Climate Change

Labor Party has threatened that business will be banned from the London Stock Exchange if they fail to act on climate change.

www.breitbart.com

R

 

[riverside jeep]

They keep shutting down our power every time the wind blows to keep from burning up the state. Every time the power goes off about 6 million idiots drag out their gas generator and run them in the garage so the little hoodlums don't steal it, then burn the house down!

 

[Bantam1]

Let's also not forget that CA regulates how much PG&E can charge/profits earned. They also dictate where they spend money to "upgrade". So in place of upgrading connections and other stuff they were forced to install charging stations for electric vehicles in place like San Francisco. The money set aside for upgrades/repairs was instead spent on "green" programs like the charging stations. After that the governor blames PG&E for the fires and its because of "Capitalism" and "greed". Media repeats, people get pissed and also blame PG&E. I am not saying they do not have some fault in the problems, but nobody is reporting the truth of why these problems have happened.

We also have the water issues but that is another discussion.

 

[MarinePMI]

- PGE services most of the state and/or owns most of the infrastructure which has been in place for basically as long as electricity has existed to some extent

- CA passes all sorts of feel good bullshit regulations, regulating companies like PGE to make a decision between A. upgrade your equipment to the new standard for no other reason than retarded CA thinking which would cost literally billions of dollars and if updated would make everyone in CA's electrical bill look like they lived in WW1 inflation times -OR- leave everything as it is and maintain it in a kind of 'grandfathered' arrangment

- PGE, who wants to update some equipment, but now can't because the CA specific upgrades as opposed to industry accepted upgrades would cost an astronomical amount of money, is held hostage and basically has to just keep fixing old shit

- PGE is 'expected' to continue operating because how dare they not provide us with electricity!

- Old equipment causes fires. Equipment which would have been replaced in the past with industry accepted replacments, but are unacceptable in CA

- More fires from old equipment.

- CA government is mad at PGE

- PGE can't update shit because of the retarded CA requirments

Rinse/repeat?

If this is accurate, have CA people figured out that eventually they wont have an electric company?

You pretty much nailed it. Hence why many of us are planning our exodus from this state (hopefully) before it fully implodes. Be prepared though, you live close enough to see a huge influx of some of them (and the liberal ones tend to bring their bullshit with them). My August gas & electric bill was north of $600. There's three people in this house, and all of them work a full time job, so no one is home during the day.

What you describe is just an elaborate wealth redistribution program. Did you know low income people in this state get a "discount" on their electric bill? Somebody has to pay for it, so the politicians make the utility companies charge for the discounts they are forced to honor. Somebody pays for it, and guess who it is? Not hard to see why so many middle class folks are leaving....

 

[Ravenworks]

You pretty much nailed it. Hence why many of us are planning our exodus from this state (hopefully) before it fully implodes. Be prepared though, you live close enough to see a huge influx of some of them (and the liberal ones tend to being their bullshit with them). My August gas & electric bill was north of $600. There's three people in this house, and all of them work a full time job, so no one is home during the day.

What you describe is just an elaborate wealth redistribution program. Did you know low income people in this state get a "discount" on their electric bill? Somebody has to pay for it, so the politicians make the utility companies charge for the discounts they are forced to honor. Somebody pays for it, and guess who it is? Not hard to see why so many middle class folks are leaving....

Wow, $600 a month going out on a utility bill is BS.
My monthly bill for my Florida home is less than $40 average.
$600 would just about do the whole year on my Ohio home.

 

[RyanScott]

Point of correction: homeless people in California are mostly from California, and California has a program to export them.

 

[Diver160651]

Point of correction: homeless people in California are mostly from California, and California has a program to export them.

I didn’t say anything about “most” of the homeless- but if you dig deeper you might be surprised, that indeed the reporting is flawed by the “years living in Ca” as the benchmark.

So the “Myth” reported as being false, is another exercise in using statistics to skew the facts. The 65% sighted as having living in California for 20 years, does not make them Californian or even legal. They also, much like the mass shooting numbers, use two ends of the static’s to make their point. 1 set will show the homeless of all ages, then another will leave out undocumented and not identify the much fewer native Californians of working age.

Even if you accept that only 20 years means they didn’t come from somewhere else (not factually true), the 35% is a crazy number of people and make the homeless a National issue as well. Roughly 45,000 people homeless not being from CA in <20y is a shit ton.

Sadly over 10,000 are vets

 

[RyanScott]

Only 40% of Californians were born in California. If you claimed the housed ones as Californians you have to claim the unhoused ones also.

 

[Diver160651]

Only 40% of Californians were born in California. If you claimed the housed ones as Californians you have to claim the unhoused ones also.

You are making my point.. see about the education systems and how the country migrates for the jobs—-

Blaming Californian politics on native Californians, is’t as simple as we might like.. these imports, just like our exports, that bring their views fucking the people who have lived for many generations in Ca.

It is the cheap seats that only look at were others are sitting.. sometimes it’s better if we all look at the entire matrix

 

[MarinePMI]

Wow, $600 a month going out on a utility bill is BS.
My monthly bill for my Florida home is less than $40 average.
$600 would just about do the whole year on my Ohio home.

Had a $400 water bill this year too (granted, water is billed every two months), but still, $400 for a water bill (BTW, "only" $135 was for water and $85 was sewer; the rest were tacked on "fees"). This state is taxing the people right out the door. Pretty soon, all that'll be here are the uber wealthy and the dirt poor.

 

[Rthur]

Had a $400 water bill this year too (granted, water is billed every two months), but still, $400 for a water bill (BTW, "only" $135 was for water and $85 was sewer; the rest were tacked on "fees"). This state is taxing the people right out the door. Pretty soon, all that'll be here are the uber wealthy and the dirt poor.

Similar in Chicago land.
They win either way.
Conservatives flee as well as team blue.
We all know how they act once relocated.

R

 

[RyanScott]

You are making my point.. see about the education systems and how the country migrates for the jobs—-

Blaming Californian politics on native Californians, is’t as simple as we might like.. these imports, just like our exports, that bring their views fucking the people who have lived for many generations in Ca.

It is the cheap seats that only look at were others are sitting.. sometimes it’s better if we all look at the entire matrix

23% of Californians were born elsewhere in the US. They aren’t the ones making all the difference.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

23% of Californians were born in another country. Or byproduct of. Namely Mexico

And they are making all the difference.

23% of Californians were born elsewhere in the US. They aren’t the ones making all the difference.

 

[RyanScott]

37% of Californians were born abroad.

 

[Diver160651]

23% of Californians were born elsewhere in the US. They aren’t the ones making all the difference.

OMG your chasing your tail with those % numbers, but they are like anything else, corrupt. Because as sighted above it’s how you classify the age/class/timelines.

Even without The statistical impurities, run your percentage numbers and look at what that means from a population figure. It’s nothing short of staggering.

Then look at the hud numbers and see where the population is centered.

Lastly, I’m not even sure why this seems to be brought up as a rebuttal to my statement. It really seems 100% in line with what I said.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

37% of Californians were born abroad.

99% of Californians were born of a broad. The other 1% are lizard people.

 

[MarinePMI]

And 30% of all statistics are wrong.

...Let that sink in a moment...

 

[supercorndogs]

....tell them their iPhones will go dark, then there will be change.

The change will be them moving else where and voting for the same lunacy. We need to help them where they live.

 

[105gr]

Wow, $600 a month going out on a utility bill is BS.
My monthly bill for my Florida home is less than $40 average.
$600 would just about do the whole year on my Ohio home.

Ohio here. Gas bill is $30 & power is $20. However, I stopped using my furnace(wood heat) and dont have/use AC