So now that everyone has gone to mil scopes

[edd1e22]

I've been out of the long range shooting game for over a decade and just getting back into shooting my bolt guns again. I have SB PMII 4-16 MOA adj scopes on my rifles which still work great for me but it appears everyone has gone to mil adj.

What happened to all the old moa scopes as I don't see any get posted for sale? Would like to get a 5-25 p4f scope in moa but all the ones listed are mil adj now.

 

[RyanScott]

They’ve been rare for years in high end scopes.

 

[Healy]

Mark5 or atacar in Moa is hard to beat

 

[usafa77]

supply and demand

 

[SD Carpenter]

They pop up occasionally and generally a little less then their mil counterparts

 

[edd1e22]

I can barely estimate distance in yards so I'll stick to MOA. Figured I could score a good deal on an older SB pm2 moa scope but can't find anything which was a bit surprising

 

[LawnMM]

I can barely estimate distance in yards so I'll stick to MOA. Figured I could score a good deal on an older SB pm2 moa scope but can't find anything which was a bit surprising

 

[TheGerman]

I can barely estimate distance in yards so I'll stick to MOA. Figured I could score a good deal on an older SB pm2 moa scope but can't find anything which was a bit surprising

What does yards have to do with MIL or MOA?

 

[edd1e22]

Poorly worded....I can barely gauge distances in imperial. It's my understanding mils are in CM? If I'm off 10" at 1k yds, I know it's a 1moa adj. I have no clue how that translates into mils

 

[Huskydriver]

Fudds are gonna fudd... Here we go again....

 

[edd1e22]

lol oops...should've read this article first

How To Use Milliradian-Adjustable Scopes | OutdoorHub

Frank Galli from SnipersHide.com offers tips on how to sight in a Milliradian adjustable scope

www.outdoorhub.com

I got a lot of catching up to do on scopes

 

[SD Carpenter]

The long and short is mil and moa are not units of distance, but units of angle measurements.

 

[edd1e22]

The long and short is mil and moa are not units of distance, but units of angle measurements.

Yeah I figured that out pretty quickly after reading the article. I see now why everyone went to mil. I recall it was literally just catching on when work forced me to take a hiatus from shooting.

 

[Spblademaker]

Here’s where you can find them.

 

[Spblademaker]

I can barely estimate distance in yards so I'll stick to MOA. Figured I could score a good deal on an older SB pm2 moa scope but can't find anything which was a bit surprising

Great post. We’re you waiting the entire 17yrs, since you signed up, to use that one?

 

[Bender]

Meh. He admitted to not knowing, he read up, now he knows.

Nothing to see here.

Welcome back to shooting.

 

[Rover31]

Related
Was in a shop with 50 moa and maybe 4 mil scopes and I said hmm what’s with all the moa scopes? Sales guy gave me the “pffft dude, why would you want a mil scope we all shoot in yards!, gives me the eye roll”
I looked at him and said oh sure gotcha and walked away and out of the store To never return...

 

[M8541Reaper]

Yeah I figured that out pretty quickly after reading the article. I see now why everyone went to mil. I recall it was literally just catching on when work forced me to take a hiatus from shooting.

Don’t let alone here give you shit about not knowing after being out of the game for so long. Your post just served as another example of how times change and knowledge always has room to grow.

Read up, take everything in, try it all, and retain what works.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

From my understanding, the real problem with MOA scopes is that tracking my not match your ballistics calculator BECAUSE there's a difference between MOA and SMOA and if you don't know or can't figure out how your MOA scope was calibrated, for MOA or SMOA, you're going to have issues w/ D.O.P.E.. Especially at distance. MIL is not better than MOA it's that there's two different MOA/SMOAs and when you're shooting inches at miles, it matters.

 

[2ndamendfan]

Poorly worded....I can barely gauge distances in imperial. It's my understanding mils are in CM? If I'm off 10" at 1k yds, I know it's a 1moa adj. I have no clue how that translates into mils

You said you read the article so I am not trying to beat you to hard.
If as you say you are off 10" at 1k, I ask how do you know it is 10"? Estimation isn't going to get you there. But if you use your reticle it will tell you 1 MOA. 1 MOA is 1 MOA whether or not the distance is 500, 1000, 1326 yards, meters, fathoms. it is still a 1 MOA adjustment. MILs the same.

 

[edd1e22]

You said you read the article so I am not trying to beat you to hard.
If as you say you are off 10" at 1k, I ask how do you know it is 10"? Estimation isn't going to get you there. But if you use your reticle it will tell you 1 MOA. 1 MOA is 1 MOA whether or not the distance is 500, 1000, 1326 yards, meters, fathoms. it is still a 1 MOA adjustment. MILs the same.

I read the article after that post. The shooting world has changed in ways I couldn't have ever imagined. I'd never heard of 6.5cm when I stopped shooting....

 

[Deleted member 10043]

I've been out of the long range shooting game for over a decade and just getting back into shooting my bolt guns again. I have SB PMII 4-16 MOA adj scopes on my rifles which still work great for me but it appears everyone has gone to mil adj.

What happened to all the old moa scopes as I don't see any get posted for sale? Would like to get a 5-25 p4f scope in moa but all the ones listed are mil adj now.

Because a bunch of faggots have gotten into shooting in the last decade. Decade as in ten, tenths... It is still 1/3 MOA even if you want to call it 1/10 MIL. We have also learned how to fuck ourselves up real good with a ladder test and then changing our scope clicks like 3% and MILS make that so easy to do. 1/3 MOA scopes went out in the 1970s. So, we use MILS now. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

 

[smoothy8500]

Because a bunch of faggots have gotten into shooting in the last decade. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Hmmm, maybe they are more comfortable with coming out publicly now that society is more accepting...Oh, wait, you meant mil/MOA folks.

 

[Dthomas3523]

What does yards have to do with MIL or MOA?

.......fuck you for this

 

[TheGerman]

.......fuck you for this

Send me monies

 

[W54/XM-388]

The long and short is mil and moa are not units of distance, but units of angle measurements.

While I won't go into details here so as to not annoy the religious purists, if you use Mils as your angular adjustment units for your scopes and happen to do all your linear measurements in metric, you'll find there is a rough correlation that makes rough estimates of linear measurements based on angular measurements "close enough for government work".

It can be useful for estimating sometimes.

 

[TheGerman]

So how far away is 100 yards if youre using MILS?

 

[308pirate]

What's longer, 100 kilometers or 62 miles?

 

[Deleted member 10043]

The long and short is mil and moa are not units of distance, but units of angle measurements.

Talking points or were you really paying attention in geometry?

 

[Deleted member 10043]

2.596591e-5

 

[SD Carpenter]

I mean that's more trigonometry... But who's asking

Talking points or were you really paying attention in geometry?

 

[Mike Casselton]

So how far away is 100 yards if youre using MILS?

IIRC, its 100 meters, minus 10%.

ETA:
Sorry, forgot to add +/- a smidgen.

 

[Dthomas3523]

Send me monies

Oh ya. I forgot

 

[sharpdoug]

I mean that's more trigonometry... But who's asking

Oh shit I think I failed both?

 

[Deleted member 10043]

I think from muzzle to target group width is an isoscelese triangle angularly speaking

 

[M8541Reaper]

So how far away is 100 yards if youre using MILS?

Depends on which hemisphere you’re in and if you’re doing your part.

 

[jcam]

I have a NXS F1 in moa & SHV in mils. Both are capable of 1 MOA steel target hits at 870 yards. I should have bought the in NXS in mils 9 yrs ago. I do prefer mils after first trying the SHV. I’m saving for another scope now. Going forward its going to be mils for me. I’ll just have to repurpose the nxs.

 

[gr8fuldoug]

I've been out of the long range shooting game for over a decade and just getting back into shooting my bolt guns again. I have SB PMII 4-16 MOA adj scopes on my rifles which still work great for me but it appears everyone has gone to mil adj.

What happened to all the old moa scopes as I don't see any get posted for sale? Would like to get a 5-25 p4f scope in moa but all the ones listed are mil adj now.

We've got a

677-911-982-A8-A2

5-25x56 PM II LP P4FL-MOA 1/4

MOA ccw DT / ST

Give us a call, 516-217-1000
Doug

 

[M8541Reaper]

I have a NXS F1 in moa & SHV in mils. Both are capable of 1 MOA steel target hits at 870 yards. I should have bought the in NXS in mils 9 yrs ago. I do prefer mils after first trying the SHV. I’m saving for another scope now. Going forward its going to be mils for me. I’ll just have to repurpose the nxs.

My NXS F1 (Mil) was replaced by a new 5-25 ATACR F1 (Mil) and the NXS now sits on my LMT SLK8. The NXS F1 was/is a fuckin great piece of kit and ya don’t see too many of them (in F1) around. That being said, if you have an SPR-style setup, it’s a great place to repurpose it.

 

[TheGerman]

Depends on which hemisphere you’re in and if you’re doing your part.

As well as if you have a right or left hand twist

 

[AIAW]

What's longer, 100 kilometers or 62 miles?

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