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So we put a 3L turbo diesel into a Jeep TJ. Diesel guys step on inside.
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You should of dropped in a Detroit 53 series 2cycle diesel in your Jeep.
Hey I know, use your Jeep to tow your Genset home
What part is this? I've got a Kerma tuned Touareg TDI and it surprises most people at a stop light, but I'm not opposed to making more boost if its as simple as a bolt on. Good luck making it loud though. I've heard a few straight piped 3.0's and they just aren't that loud. Same thing when I straight piped my Jetta TDI, sounded stock. My 12v Cummins on the other hand makes all the obnoxious noises you're after.
Keto in mind that the "more boost" approach only works if you feed it more fuel. A factory Ford 6.4 runs 32 PSI, and that's simply to provide what's referred to as "excess air" to reduce particulate emissions. Doesn't do shit for power until more fuel is added. Bonus points if that fuel is added before there engine starts building boast under load; you'll get better throttle response and can roll coal.
For maximum noise, simply don't run anything other that the shortest possible piece of big pipe after the turbo. In that short Jeep, I'd think you could run it out the back and it'd still be plenty loud.
If you're making enough ummph to make the front wheels light, I hope you have some drivetrain mods planned or else you're going to be chasing weak links.
Sounds like a cool rig - can't wait to see some pictures.
For maximum noise, simply don't run anything other that the shortest possible piece of big pipe after the turbo. In that short Jeep, I'd think you could run it out the back and it'd still be plenty loud.
If you're making enough ummph to make the front wheels light, I hope you have some drivetrain mods planned or else you're going to be chasing weak links.
Sounds like a cool rig - can't wait to see some pictures.
Also, for maximum GBPSE points call it a Porsche Cayenne or Audi Q7 diesel engine. Most people won't know that's just fancy speak for VW and you'll sound sophisticated.
My 8000 lbs Diesel. Not my fastest time, just the time slip I had handy. Otherwise, at one time I had a top 50 in the US fastest diesels. You know, pics or it didn't happen. 24 lbs boost? Pffft. You run Condor gear. I used to hit 100 psi. I was once dubbed the Dr. Evil of turbos as I was the first to have high performance ball bearing twin (compound) turbos and designed kits for Cummins.
PM me if you want to know more.
Compressor surge?
I ran a Tial 135db on my old 05 Evo MR. Absolutely sick sounding, and was beyond necessary at the levels of boost being produced.
However; I do agree that they have their place. A properly set up bypass valve can be just as, or even more, effective. You can even still hear them
. Probably all very application/user specific.@TheGerman why the VW? Maybe I missed it.
A couple of my good friends build custom Land Rovers at East Coast Rover. Other than LS swaps, and Rover factory rebuilds; there is a small powerstroke diesel that is a very popular swap in the LR. Pretty sure its standard equipment in a lot of euro trash type stuff. Also pretty sure that a modified version is what lives in the new euro Ranger, and US F150 diesel.
Let's be clear; I do not think I know the answer, nor am I questioning your end goal. Just curious of the path that led to engine choice.
A couple of my good friends build custom Land Rovers at East Coast Rover. Other than LS swaps, and Rover factory rebuilds; there is a small powerstroke diesel that is a very popular swap in the LR. Pretty sure its standard equipment in a lot of euro trash type stuff. Also pretty sure that a modified version is what lives in the new euro Ranger, and US F150 diesel.
Let's be clear; I do not think I know the answer, nor am I questioning your end goal. Just curious of the path that led to engine choice.
Ummmmmmm.......
11.9 w/ an 8k lb rig, is smoking! Nicely done!
First time I ripped my Evo; I had a helmet because I knew 13.99(helmet threshold time) was an wasy mark. What I didnt know, is that I was going to cross below the 11.99 roll cage threshold. Guy at the ticket booth said, "nice time, now get that car off my track".
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Diesels don’t use a blow off because there isn’t a throttle plate (I believe, there may be diesels somewhere gay with a throttle plate)
A lot of modern diesels have what appears to be a throttle butterfly in the inlet, used to choke the engine to stop it quicker, and to regulate manifold pressure to get EGR working properly, some (including versions of the VW 3.0 V6 TDi) use it to regulate inlet swirl as well.
Not sure. To the best of my knowledge VAG has never worked with VM though. Why do you ask?
Buddy of mine keeps telling me the Cummins 2.8 crate motor will be the new hotness in Land Rover world. After a few swaps back in my younger years I generally think vehicles are best with the engines they left the factory with, but his 2000 Discovery absolutely needs more spice in its sauce. It is impressively hard to get stuck though, even with factory suspension and no power.
What was the small powerstroke based off of, was it the 6 cylinder version of the 6.0 ?
Another option would be the little 2.8 liter common rail cummins. They used to offer it as a crate motor specifically for swaps.
I'm more of a fan of the older stuff. 12 valves, 4BT's, 7.3's and dare I say it, the 6.0
If it would heald out I was gonna do the Mercedes om617 in my TJ over the Winter, but sadly the motor is hammering good. Once I get back the whole Jeeps getting an almost frame off overhaul, new 4l, teraflex lift, axle work, all the trimmings. Paint next month, and maybe, an Eaton supercharger
My Cat backhoe has a vert. forward exhaust. When the conditions and wind are just right I can get a lungfull of warm, sooty diesel exhaust.
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Same motor composition using compacted graphite instead of cast. Almost the same power specs as well. Both use variable vane turbos, and hail form the general areas of the world. Just curious if one major producer made them and each respective company did the final work to their desire.
My 7.3 Powerstroke rolls with a 4" straight exhaust sans the muffler. Not loud inside the cab, wonderful sound outside. I make a point to lower the back right window when accelerating past a concrete barrier to hear the Ftttttttttt...
Yeah those are definitely similarities, but it looks like CGI blocks are getting pretty common and variable vane turbos are pretty standard these days. As long as it wasn't made in the same Mexican factory that did my #53 Cummins block I don't care though.
I'd consider going with a mid-arm if it's not too late. Bought a '97 TJ with a short arm years ago, and the body roll was awful. Had a long arm (6.25" RE) in my '05 TJR and it handled like a Porsche on the highway, but the LCAs would get hung up off-road. A solid mid-arm is the best of both worlds IMO.
You could both be right, or close, and it could be a small Cummins that is common. Or its just another tool in the box.
While I agree that factory is often the way to avoid kinks; the guys at ECR do EVERYTHING else factory new or better when a truck goes through, so some decent power is a nice added bonus. The ones they do with vette engines have some bag. Lots of neat shit goes into shoehorning a v8 into a Defender.
That beast weighs almost half a ton. Mine cruises comfortably at 70 and when taking a neighbor buddy to the ER last week it did 95 with pedal to spare.
Definitely do not use a sketchy old floor jack to lift the front x of a powerstroke 4x4; its flaws will be exacerbated
I thought he'd of splurged and grabbed a 5.0 TDI
AUDI Q8 5.0 TDI «EDICION ABT» – Motor Center Garage
and the 2014's had em already in there
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Yeah the new twin turbo v8 TDI's are real spicy. But a really brave mans man would've swapped in the v10 TDI.I thought he'd of splurged and grabbed a 5.0 TDI
AUDI Q8 5.0 TDI «EDICION ABT» – Motor Center Garage
and the 2014's had em already in there
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Truth be told; if I were to build a wrangler (other than cj2a or cj5) , it would be a TJ, and its power plant would more than likely be a stroked 4.0
You want a small engine with plenty of nads.
You don't want a heavy engine, kills performance and offroad handling.
This would have been my first choice....about 350 lbs max and easily up to 1000 horse, I've seen them on Terry Drakes dyno with all the exhaust glowing red and pushing 1400 horse.
You don't want a heavy engine, kills performance and offroad handling.
This would have been my first choice....about 350 lbs max and easily up to 1000 horse, I've seen them on Terry Drakes dyno with all the exhaust glowing red and pushing 1400 horse.
Dang. Those are BMW M12/13 numbers but 14+ years earlier, although the Offenhauser has a displacement advantage. Thanks for bringing those to my attention, I hadn't read much about them till now.
Definitely do not use a sketchy old floor jack to lift the front x of a powerstroke 4x4; its flaws will be exacerbated
The front axle weight on my '08 F250 is right around 4800 lbs IIRC. I've never weighed my '04 E350 with a 6.0L, but it may very well be worse since the engine sits a bit more forward than in a pickup. So, yeah, don't skimp on the floor jack. The trolley jack on my Bendpak lift groans pretty good when asked to lift that end of those vehicles.
Stock ford diesels are governed at 96. It's really annoying because they have a lot left to give.
I had a TS performance chip in my 02 7.3 that deleted the speed limiter. After 100 the odometer would go blank and the speedo would fall back to 0. And she just kept pulling. I recommend swamps diesel for 7.3 tuning.
Had a built 05 with the 6.0, the tuner I had you had to push the button for every mph over the stock limit. I got tired of pushing the button at 135 and figured I'd never see that anyway. I hit it one time. Crew cab long bed 4x4 on 35" toyo m/t's doing 135mph. Truck went across the scales at over 10k.
Here I’m thinking about messing with a 2014 or 15 Q7 3.0 TDI….I thought he'd of splurged and grabbed a 5.0 TDI
AUDI Q8 5.0 TDI «EDICION ABT» – Motor Center Garage
and the 2014's had em already in there
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You need to do a step by step... like I'm doing with my Jeep build.
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How to build a Jeep CJ7 bug out vehicle.
OK first thing... "Bug out vehicle" is a generic term that gets thrown around a lot. Yes, I could always use this to bug out in... if I had to. However, that is not really it's designed role. I'm thinking more of a "recon vehicle", as I don't plan to ever bug out. I just figured that "bug out...
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Still no pics?
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Quiet you.
Haven't had any time to fuck with it lately.
@clcustom1911 has sat in it for a coffee run however.
What I still need to do:
- Replace the short Metalcloak flare fenders with the 8 inch fenders all the way around
- Put in the Metalcloak rocker rail so my wife has something to step on to get in. Right now whenever she tries to get in, its one of those porn vids where you find the girl with a thick ass stuck and hanging out of something.
- Rewire Blackout switch for all non essential electronics instead of just the cabin lights and brake lights
- Have the new parts painted and body touched up from the 'new' paint we gave it when I bought it years ago as we changed the color
- Tires are starting to look a bit shredded, and knew I was going to get a new set sometime soon as we destroyed a tire, so no spare right now
- I've always had the rear bench seats removed. We're going to put in a rear facing jump seat and the pintle mount of the rear roll cage.
- Need to figure out where to get a damn fuel can since I was dumb and didn't buy the more expensive bumper/rear tire carrier that could store them.
- If/when I replace the tires I'm going to a better wheel that is either a 17 or a 18
- Small oil leak that I'm suspecting is coming out of the dip stick and pooling below it. We already re did the valve cover gasket and it isn't that.
- Toying around with the idea of a bigger or a twin turbo.
- Having a weird issue where I THINK I'm not getting enough airflow and/or something is bottle necking the amount of air coming into the system. Once its hot, if I dont drive like grandma, I notice that me running higher RPM/speed and obviously more boost directly translates to the engine oil pressure gauge dropping. Get off the gas, pressure goes back up. On hot days, I also notice that the engine temp will then be 10 or so degrees hotter than where it sits 98% of the time. With an intercooler, this should not even remotely be happening. We went through all of the send units, gauges and electronics and its not a false reading. Somehow I think its air related like I need a larger intake or something.
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