Social credit scores in schools

[CSGambill]

I recently found out that, starting this year, our local high school implemented a system eerily similar to a social credit system. The school calls it a "responsibility standard." This standard is basically a way to subjectivity alter students' grades. Here's how the school describes the system.

The responsibility standard was intended for each teacher to assess each individual student’s readiness which is assessed every two weeks. This includes turning in assignments by their due dates, having the necessary class materials and demonstrating appropriate behavior during school time.

Friends' daughter is being negatively impacted by this system. She's in sports and an otherwise straight A student. Part of this program mandates that you turn in homework by midnight. With sports its not always possible to get stuff done the same night and is getting grades dropped. Still done before class, just not by the midnight deadline.

I understand rules are rules, but as a whole I see grading on non-academic measures as a means of getting kids used to subjective rating system. Anyone else seeing programs like this in their kids' school?

 

[918v]

Do you go to school to learn or do you go to school to play sports? If you can’t do both, prioritize learning.

 

[hlee]

Life is full of deadlines and responsibilities, and rarely are they ‘fair.’

Student Athletes should know that their lives are busier than others.’ Request assignments early. Work with coaches to carve out time to complete assignments.

Before you say, “you don’t know,” my wife is a varsity volleyball coach.

 

[CSGambill]

Don't get hung up on the deadlines part of the issue. My kids will end up in this school. My main beef is that they are grading partially on the responsibility score, which is arbitrarily determined by the teachers.

 

[hlee]

Don't get hung up on the deadlines part of the issue. My kids will end up in this school. My main beef is that they are grading partially on the responsibility score, which is arbitrarily determined by the teachers.

‘Responsibility score’, ‘participation grade’, ‘accountability metrics’.

‘Arbitrary’ is different than ‘subjective,’ which is what I think you mean. But, “is Jimmy prepared for class, on task, and does he get his work turned in on time” are more objective than not. I can back those 3 grading criteria with data.

 

[UKDslayer]

Life is full of deadlines and responsibilities, and rarely are they ‘fair.’

Student Athletes should know that their lives are busier than others.’ Request assignments early. Work with coaches to carve out time to complete assignments.

I like how you think! Asking for assignments early- brilliant! Maybe it would be worthwhile for of all the parents of sports teams to rallied together, find the rationale for this policy and if necessary go over the teachers head to principal or even school board- and proof that they are basically punishing the overachievers. This policy probably comes from lazy teacher(s) who have selfish reasons for this "by midnight" rule.

I have to say, I feel bad for all the parents out there under real pressure to find an alternative schooling for their children. Lets face it, if you have two working parents, or even one working but a large family or special needs - homeschooling just isn't always an option. Private school is expensive without "school choice" vouchers.

Things are getting so challenging in public schools - besides communist indoctrination, gender/sexuality/morality issues, CRT, intentionally putting down kids and lowering self-esteem based on skin color, now some schools are requiring mandatory jabs. What a horrible predicament. Supposedly there are more options "out there" , but what if you have a really athletically talented kid? Some sports require participation in public schools to get noticed, and be a contender for collegiate scholarships. These days suck.

 

[supercorndogs]

I like how you think! Asking for assignments early- brilliant! Maybe it would be worthwhile for of all the parents of sports teams to rallied together, find the rationale for this policy and if necessary go over the teachers head to principal or even school board- and proof that they are basically punishing the overachievers. This policy probably comes from lazy teacher(s) who have selfish reasons for this "by midnight" rule.

I have to say, I feel bad for all the parents out there under real pressure to find an alternative schooling for their children. Lets face it, if you have two working parents, or even one working but a large family or special needs - homeschooling just isn't always an option. Private school is expensive without "school choice" vouchers.

Things are getting so challenging in public schools - besides communist indoctrination, gender/sexuality/morality issues, CRT, intentionally putting down kids and lowering self-esteem based on skin color, now some schools are requiring mandatory jabs. What a horrible predicament. Supposedly there are more options "out there" , but what if you have a really athletically talented kid? Some sports require participation in public schools to get noticed, and be a contender for collegiate scholarships. These days suck.

We had homeschooled kids play on some of our sports teams when i was in high school.

 

[AngryKoala]

I recently found out that, starting this year, our local high school implemented a system eerily similar to a social credit system. The school calls it a "responsibility standard." This standard is basically a way to subjectivity alter students' grades. Here's how the school describes the system.

The responsibility standard was intended for each teacher to assess each individual student’s readiness which is assessed every two weeks. This includes turning in assignments by their due dates, having the necessary class materials and demonstrating appropriate behavior during school time.

Friends' daughter is being negatively impacted by this system. She's in sports and an otherwise straight A student. Part of this program mandates that you turn in homework by midnight. With sports its not always possible to get stuff done the same night and is getting grades dropped. Still done before class, just not by the midnight deadline.

I understand rules are rules, but as a whole I see grading on non-academic measures as a means of getting kids used to subjective rating system. Anyone else seeing programs like this in their kids' school?

This is nothing like the social credit system.

 

[lonegunman762x51]

Kids will be persecuted for being white, intelligent and athletic. They will also lose points for good grooming, having two parents who are not queers or not being on welfare or arrested.

Shitbags who support persecution will say stupid shit like, "my wife is a volleyball coach ", they'll think that makes them experts. They should just say they gag on Bidens cock.

Sorry for you kid. She is about to learn that blind loyalty to socialism and only having the opinion or thoughts allowed by leftist cunts is far more critical than education or sports in modern hate based leftist society.

 

[supercorndogs]

We had a set of grading criteria pretty much like this when i was in grade school. It was based on Needs improvement, improving, and acceptable. It had things like completes work, self motivated, I can't remember some of the others. But basically assessing if you were ready for the responsibilities of the next grade level. Maybe my mom has some old report cards, or remembers some of the other criteria.

It did not actually effect your grade thought. It was probably used if someone was on the edge of being held back.

 

[308pirate]

My main beef is that they are grading partially on the responsibility score, which is arbitrarily determined by the teachers.

If it's limited to what you describe I see no problem with it.

The responsibility standard was intended for each teacher to assess each individual student’s readiness which is assessed every two weeks. This includes turning in assignments by their due dates, having the necessary class materials and demonstrating appropriate behavior during school time.

It's basically what happens to professionals every day at work. You can be objectively excellent at your job, but if you're a jerk, are always unprepared or late for meetings, or generally waste people's time eventually you'll find yourself isolated or worse unemployed.

 

[hlee]

Where is the arbitrary and subjective component?

Jimmy was talking during instruction. -10
Jimmy didn’t have his book for class. -10
Jimmy turned his assignment in late. -10

School grades have ALWAYS had a component beyond the 3Rs. Highschool especially, as a decent chunk of graduates are going directly into the workforce. Life isn’t fair. You don’t get to decide deadlines, or meeting times, or who you work with, or when. You show up at the designated time, with the designated equipment, at the designated location, with the designated team, and perform the designated task. “I was hungover” or “There was a game on” or “Jimmy Jr had to go to the hospital” doesn’t cut it. Ok, you might be able to take a sick day in the last one. I have no sympathy for student athletes. You know you have games. You know you have assignments due. Figure it out.

There are some people tilting at windmills in this thread.

 

[357Max]

Part of this program mandates that you turn in homework by midnight. With sports its not always possible to get stuff done the same night and is getting grades dropped. Still done before class, just not by the midnight deadline.

Sounds like a conversation needs to be had with the school.

So Jane Doe makes a responsible decision to go to bed early because she’s fried @9:30 & gets up early to complete an assignment on time. That should not be penalized.

Complete assignments by due date is appropriate. By midnight the night before is none of there fucking buisness.

 

[GUN NUT in IA]

"by midnight"?

Sure. No problem.

Of course, I will hand carry it to you.

I will need your home address and expect you to answer the doorbell at 11:55PM.

See you tomorrow night (and probably the next night . . . and the next night . . . and the next night - until you get the idea).

 

[Fig]

I agree that the midnight thing is bullshit, and that it's an arbitrary and capricious deadline since for thousands of years the deadline has been by the next class.

I don't think it has anything to do with social credit, and the "goals" of the program don't sound bad to me. My kid in private school gets a 1-4 number for the same items, and it usually corelates to their actual academic grade, but it isn't actually linked.

 

[hlee]

My kids have the midnight deadlines for assignments. Their deadlines are not set for the same day. They are typically 3-5 days later. Assignments are turned in on line and assignments can be accessed from their phones, if necessary. Their is a central website for all schools across the district, where every teacher puts all of the assignments as well as class notes and ‘handouts’ from class. On the rare occurrence that paper homework is assigned, they are due in class, again 3-5 days after being assigned. This deadline thing really is much ado about nothing.

 

[kenny1773]

The responsibility standard was intended for each teacher to assess each individual student’s readiness which is assessed every two weeks. This includes turning in assignments by their due dates, having the necessary class materials and demonstrating appropriate behavior during school time.

Trying to figure out how this is a social credit system?

Unless you are one of these people that think turning something in on time is considered "whiteness"
I am missing it

Turn assignments in on time, great lesson for success in life
Be prepared with class materials, another great lesson for success in life, BE PREPARED

Appropriate behavior, unless you have an example where this is totally out of line with normal, I don't see a problem. I see where it ***could*** easily lean into the subjective zone, but your post didn't give any outlandish out of the normal example, so assume this is good too and again a great lesson for success.

If the problem is sports schedule related, then suggest you speak to the school about changing the deadline for sports related issues. Maybe someone just doesn't understand that their deadline is causing a problem, or maybe they just don't care. Either way I am sure it can be resolved by having all parties in the school that are related being made aware of the issue. Its amazing to me how much influence a coach can have to the school administrators...

 

[308pirate]

Sounds like a conversation needs to be had with the school.

So Jane Doe makes a responsible decision to go to bed early because she’s fried @9:30 & gets up early to complete an assignment on time. That should not be penalized.

Complete assignments by due date is appropriate. By midnight the night before is none of there fucking buisness.

Yes that detail I don't agree with. But all the other stuff, yes. It's been going on forever. I remember a class participation component to my grades, and this was Catholic school in PR from 1972 to 1984. Hardly a bastion of progressivism......

 

[supercorndogs]

Sounds like a conversation needs to be had with the school.

So Jane Doe makes a responsible decision to go to bed early because she’s fried @9:30 & gets up early to complete an assignment on time. That should not be penalized.

Complete assignments by due date is appropriate. By midnight the night before is none of there fucking buisness.

Exactly this, no due time for homework should be outside of school hours. I imagine this part would be easy to fix, probably with little more than a conversation with the principle at said school. I.E the boss of the teachers, then you start up the ladder if that doesn't work.