Software Company Threatens Camping World

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SAN FRANCISCO — On its website, Salesforce.com touts retailer Camping World as a leading customer of its business software, highlighting its use of products to help sales staff move product. A Camping World executive is even quoted calling Salesforce's software "magic."
But behind the scenes in recent weeks, the Silicon Valley tech giant has delivered a different message to gun-selling retailers such as Camping World: Stop selling military-style rifles, or stop using our software.
The pressure Salesforce is exerting on those retailers - barring them from using its technology to market products, manage customer service operations and fulfill orders - puts them in a difficult position. Camping World, for example, spends more than $1 million a year on Salesforce's e-commerce software, according to one analyst estimate. Switching to another provider now could cost the company double that to migrate data, reconfigure systems and retrain employees.
 
The SJW crowd of technocrats are slowly closing the noose on anyone that doesn't support the SJW Communist Anti freedom agenda.
They are doing it with the full blessing of the government....
You'll notice the government is all quick to try to destroy someone if they say I'll bake your cake but object to what you want written on it, so I'll give you the cake and then the decorating tools to write what you want on it.... oh the government is front and center about "rights" then...

Saying you actually believe in the 1st amendment or the 2nd amendment and thinking the law will back you up when companies say you can't do it... crickets from the government... and all these apologists blather on about "private company" BS total load of BS.

THIS is why I HATE this whole "cloud" computing business and this whole "software as a service" that everybody is so enthralled with.... own nothing, all under the control of somebody else... and then when they say do as we say or we turn off the switch this afternoon.... what are your options?

Short sighted fools letting their business be dependent on others.
Take that 1 million a year you are spending on their software and hire your own folks to customize open source software for you and get a few others in your industry to do the same and you'll live to be free another day.... but nope... everybody is too stupid to see the writing on the wall.

Total control is coming and coming fast. People are just too stupid, greedy and lazy to understand and prepare for it and so will all be forced into servitude of the Technocrats.

Even the political class will shortly be under their control as the big media technocrats in the next election start deciding which candidates they allow to have discourse or get their message out on popular communication / advertising platforms, and then the news media (also top down owned) blocks the rest.

Either folks start owning their computing and communication resources as fully as possible, or be prepared to be slaves to those who do.
 
As Sales Force has already sold them the softwear would they not be liable for the cost to the business of revoking the license?

I bet they don't "Sell" them the software anymore... it's all a use licence over time that can be cut off anytime they want or if you don't keep paying.
Kind of like the new versions of the popular Quickbooks... they won't sell you it anymore... It's all a subscription licence that if you ever stop paying all your data is now not yours any more... and they always have something about how they can change terms & conditions anytime they want to anything and tough luck...
 
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I bet they don't "Sell" them the software anymore... it's all a use licence over time that can be cut off anytime they want or if you don't keep paying.
Kind of like the new versions of the popular Quickbooks... they won't sell you it anymore... It's all a subscription licence that if you ever stop paying all your data is now not yours any more... and they always have something about how they can change terms & conditions anytime they want to anything and tough luck...

And therein is the danger of "going to the cloud". Palantir did this shit (still doing it actually) to the Army. It's the reason the Navy, Marines and Air Force are trying to steer well clear of Palantir. There's no way you should have to give up ownership of your data to gain a technical capability. Fuck Palantir. (Sorry, sore spot for me).

"Sky computing" is on the horizon (no pun intended), mainly for this reason (as well as security reasons).
 
Camping World sells guns? That's the big ass RV joints, right?

LOL! Why am I remembering the movie "Stripes" right about now.? Up armored Winnebago anyone?

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The EM-50 Urban Assault Vehicle... :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
I bet they don't "Sell" them the software anymore... it's all a use licence over time that can be cut off anytime they want or if you don't keep paying.

There are most certainly T&Cs in the MSA that will 100% have repercussions from any software company with the ability to turn off a customer that unjustly flips the switch. We’re talking huge multiples based on current spend, contract value, personnel investments, as well as revenue impact damages (and even more so if the customer is public ally traded).

The only low impact action SFDC has is to wait for the subscription service term to end, and to not renew the end user, and even that requires that no languages was written into the MSA requiring continued service in out years.

The only way that SFDC could legitimately shut someone off is if they don’t pay the bill, and as ridiculous as it might seem, there are some government regulations that even still wouldn’t allow the software provider to turn them off based on the industry vertical.

On your other comment about on-premise versus cloud or SaaS, I could come up with a million logical reasons why SaaS makes sense 99% of the time.

And for any major corporation with serious security protocols (public companies and private) using open source tech is rarely the right choice. That is unless you’re more interested in job security since you are the only one that knows how the software was designed.

The real problem is SFDC thinking they have a leg to stand on. It’s a baseless threat with serious implications. I’ve got my pop corn ready...

PSA: buy more ammo y’all.
 
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Reminiscent of REI stopping the sales of Giro bike helmets in their stores because Giro is under the Freedom Group umbrella that owns Savage.

So Giro has nothing to do with guns they just want to keep cyclists safe so REI is going to put people at risk by not selling the product under the idea that will make people safe from guns - wut?

SJW are so conflicted.

Love that their latest attack is on Pete Buttjizz because he is not Adam Lambert enough, isnt a Grindr Ranger, and served in the mil.

This is what happens when crazy is tolerated.
 
There are most certainly T&Cs in the MSA that will 100% have repercussions from any software company with the ability to turn off a customer that unjustly flips the switch. We’re talking huge multiples based on current spend, contract value, personnel investments, as well as revenue impact damages (and even more so if the customer is public ally traded).

The only low impact action SFDC has is to wait for the subscription service term to end, and to not renew the end user, and even that requires that no languages was written into the MSA requiring continued service in out years.

The only way that SFDC could legitimately shut someone off is if they don’t pay the bill, and as ridiculous as it might seem, there are some government regulations that even still wouldn’t allow the software provider to turn them off based on the industry vertical.

On your other comment about on-premise versus cloud or SaaS, I could come up with a million logical reasons why SaaS makes sense 99% of the time.

And for any major corporation with serious security protocols (public companies and private) using open source tech is rarely the right choice. That is unless you’re more interested in job security since you are the only one that knows how the software was designed.

The real problem is SFDC thinking they have a leg to stand on. It’s a baseless threat with serious implications. I’ve got my pop corn ready...

PSA: buy more ammo y’all.

I think you put way too much faith in the ability of anyone not a huge multinational corporation with government backing that follows all the current SJW blowing winds to the letter, to stand up for themselves against the SJW Technocrats that control your life.

For a little light reading, read up on how Oracle treats their customers including ones that thought they were all safe and had bought stuff....
Or SAP and their we've got you now locked in now and you are going to hurt idea of "customer relations".

Read up on the saga of Intuit vs Gunsite.... sure maybe in the end you get a bit of compensation... after they drain your bank account and give all your customers free stuff at your expense....

No the "government regulations" are NOT going to be on the side of protecting any freedom loving types from the SJW technocrats cutting them off. That's there just to protect certain government controlled industries.

And as far as your contention that open source software is rarely the right choice for security.... You really need to get out more and do some reading on the rate of patching problems for closed vs open source. With Open Source software, you can patch it anytime you want as soon as an issue comes up, or write your own patch. VS. Waiting for some vendor to decide they care about releasing a patch instead of forcing you to pay for an upgrade.

Then do a bit more digging and see exactly how many of these big technocrats are doing themselves EXACTLY what I suggested others do.... taking open source software and paying to tweak it to their needs.
Except then they also have fun selling it back to "customers" as a "service".

Or others like Oracle openly just swipe the entire opensource codebase from a competitor, put their own logos on it and resell it with expensive support contracts to their "customers" as a service.

You would probably be quite amazed at how much of the "cloud" runs on open source software and how much that same software is often in so many of your devices.

Also the whole point of open source software is that you or your replacements or anyone else "knows how the software was designed" if they care to look at the code. (Unless of course you are someone like Google that gets around the "Open" part of "Open source" by saying it's a service, not a end product).

Even the great vaunted Microsoft is now busy stuffing Linux into Windows 10 because there is so much development for back end systems on Linux and other open source platforms.
 
@W54/XM-388 I spent 4 extremely successful years with Oracle selling every SKU they have to offer. Im well aware of almost all past and present software related lawsuits.

It may be hard to absorb, but you’re wrong about government regulation. Enter: to big to fail.

Open source at the enterprise level hinders businesses from scale. Sure it’s free... but then when your app crashes, and you’re the only one that can fix it, good luck. Paying for services has its merits especially if whatever problem you’re facing, email outage for example, costs you revenue by the millions per minute. That’s something that gets the entire technical team fired... CXOs think different from the administrative types.

It’s clear we differ with best business practices, but that’s all good. We share common ground with 2A and that’s more important.

Back to the OP:

SFDC will get a swift kick to the nuts if they stay the course.
 
We have been through several CRM type programs and all of them have sucked. They take much longer to do anything on, or do not give you the info you need without going through too many steps. Efficiency killers for the bean counters. The new CRM we use for the outside sales reps makes it harder for them to create orders or look up product. You would think a company would actually send people out to see what the sales team needs before creating software. Nope.
 
@W54/XM-388 I spent 4 extremely successful years with Oracle selling every SKU they have to offer. Im well aware of almost all past and present software related lawsuits.

I am truly sorry for you. :LOL: Did you happen to know a Bill Brahmes(sp?).

I did a year long executive leadership course where we had 4-5 Oracle folks in the class. Man, the stories they told, smh. Almost as bad as HP (which seemed to share some of the same senior leadership staff as Oracle over the years)...

I think the only company that seemed worse was...wait for it, wait for it...Qualcomm. What. A. Shitshow.
 
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I bet they don't "Sell" them the software anymore... it's all a use licence over time that can be cut off anytime they want or if you don't keep paying.
Kind of like the new versions of the popular Quickbooks... they won't sell you it anymore... It's all a subscription licence that if you ever stop paying all your data is now not yours any more... and they always have something about how they can change terms & conditions anytime they want to anything and tough luck...


That's only the QB online service. The good old QB desktop is still available and the most widely used version. Thank God. Just upgraded a few of my clients and my own company to 2019 Premier. They call the stand alone version Desktop...
 
This is nothing less than extortion . And if there are any links to any organization that is anti IIA this shit qualifies as Racketeering . Camping World is conducting legal business and invested/spends considerable monies to this software company . Leveraging with the threat of financial ruin ie causing financial damages after meeting contractual agreements is illegal . Criminal . Punishable . The Software has terms and conditions of use . The Software Company put forth said terms and conditions and Camp World agreed and further renumerated said Software Company for services , software , equipment and training . Camping World should be able to own these #@$%%%#$@%%% . They already established a business relationship with Camping World .
 
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That's only the QB online service. The good old QB desktop is still available and the most widely used version. Thank God. Just upgraded a few of my clients and my own company to 2019 Premier. They call the stand alone version Desktop...

I'm assuming you are using then just the Premier (which they still have "buy" option for).
If you have to use Premier Plus or Enterprise they haven't had the "buy" option for a couple years (We are using Enterprise and can't upgrade because they keep telling us the only option is the subscription and told us that if the subscription lapses the software stops working).
 
I'm assuming you are using then just the Premier (which they still have "buy" option for).
If you have to use Premier Plus or Enterprise they haven't had the "buy" option for a couple years (We are using Enterprise and can't upgrade because they keep telling us the only option is the subscription and told us that if the subscription lapses the software stops working).

We upgraded from Premier Pro to Premier Desktop 2019 in corporate environment with Server install and 5+ users in multi-user mode over internal LAN. We havent found any issues or features or restrictions from any previous versions. All the same so far.
 
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I'm thinking the companies will have a pretty good case on this one. They knew they sold firearms when they started doing business with them. These are very expensive and vast installations. They can't be leveraged based on something that was known when they began doing business.
is this not extortion ?
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Sooner or later, there will be banks for gun shops, software for gun shops, credit cards for gun shops... all firewalled from retards.

Where there is a need and money to be made, someone will move into the market.

If someone started a 2A Venture Capital fund, they would make billions!

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
This is one reason I resisted getting on line for so long...

WWW= World Wide Web. WTF does a spider do with its web?

InterNET= what the fuck do you do with a net? You catch things.

The computer can be a great tool of a greater weapon.
 
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Sooner or later, there will be banks for gun shops, software for gun shops, credit cards for gun shops... all firewalled from retards.

Where there is a need and money to be made, someone will move into the market.

If someone started a 2A Venture Capital fund, they would make billions!

Cheers,

Sirhr

A lot of that already exists.. Axis now RTG. I implemented and manage it for one of my clients. They are a large retail store and gun range. One of the few indoor ranges in the country that handles up to a 50 BMG....we also just opened one of the few indoor simulators a few months ago. Pretty awesome

We have ecom, automatic stock monitoring and ordering, credit card processing, FFL processing, range mgmt and much more.