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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Will</div><div class="ubbcode-body">go here:
http://www.americantomahawk.com/products/vtac.htm

Any one of these ? </div></div>

Damn if I would have known the POS was going to be worth that,... I'd have never traded mine for a Snach back when.
She did say I was # 1 long time.
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I use an American, I have used and abused, beat the tar out of it and it has always exceeded expectations. Its near unbelievable what it has stood up to.
 
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I had an American Sibert Comanche and it broke!! Under the handle scales, the shaft (if that's what you call it) was skeletonized, and it broke here during a usage impact... striking wood.

Been using my backup SOG tomahawk since, it's made in Taiwan but has some type of fiberglass handle that's more similar to those on hammers and such. I've come to the conclusion that the handle's toughness is more important than the blade's toughness... if the blade fails, the failure seems to be something that can be straightened out with a grinding stone.

I understand some guy on YouTube has a video of his Sibert Comanche breaking in the same exact place mine did, and American Tomahawk replaced it free.

I just wish it were easier to carry a hawk concealed like a pocket knife!
 
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I got an American. They pressed the head on crooked, and the sheath is a real loose fit. I would never buy another one. I think their quality control sucks. I understand they are mass producing these things, but can't they check them over before they ship them?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutronics</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I just wish it were easier to carry a hawk concealed like a pocket knife!
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You just need a REALLY small one
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TiroFijo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder how many SF soldiers actually carry a tomahawk...
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24 years as an SF soldier and I only saw one and that was back in '85.

FWIW.

fast eddie sends
 
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Why carry it if you do not know how to use it?
Same with a good knife.

There is no magic in the weapon or martial science without being proficient with it.

BTW- that takes time and dedication.
 
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I have a US made wooden handle one. The handle is always lose and I am always soaking it in water to make it swell. I would get one with a synthetic handle.
 
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RSilvers:Did you make it out of properly dried wood? Wood to be used for grips, stocks and furniture needs to be air dried for about 7 to 9 years ( In Kentucky/ other places may be different depending upon weather)without exposure to sunlight and it must be able to have air move thru the building and or storage container...Wood has to stabilize before it is used. You can speed this process up by kiln drying or buying predried wood that is ready for shaping..If this was already done then it may be due to the type of screw used and or the chamfer / bevel that was used for the screw hole... just some ideas, if this was all done correctly then we need to know more info.....SmokeRolls
 
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I am with Fast Eddie. I worked with 5th Group as a Marine in '73' and then was with SF from 76 to 86 and I never saw an SF Battle AX. Wonder if it was carried by the same guy who carried all of that other SSSFS (Sure as Shit SF Stuff)

Most guys carried Randalls, Gerber BMF's, Kabar's or some type of Bowie. This Hi-Tech stuff came along quite a bit after that, but I never saw an SF Battle Ax.

Heck I would carry a roofing ax from Sears before I would carry one of those things, course, I am old and booring
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LAR Dragoon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why carry it if you do not know how to use it?
Same with a good knife.

There is no magic in the weapon or martial science without being proficient with it.

BTW- that takes time and dedication. </div></div>

LAR,

Good Points,

The best weapon in the world is but a paper weight in the hands of the untrained...

We carried our E-tools in the Ranger Battalion back in the day. I carried that practice onto my detachments in 5th SFG and while the fellas initially laughed, they were always wanting to borrow it for something. if you want to talk about a universal tool, the E-tool is it. You can cook, kill, sit and carry with it. BTW, I forgot to mention, for 4 years, I was married to an SF battle Ax. Hi jack complete.

fast eddie sends
 
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The effectiveness of the E-tool, small shovel, as a weapon cannot be disputed.
Most notablby by Russian SPETSNAZ.

Back to the hawks, there were U.S. units in WWII that were known for using hawks.
Some of this legend / legacy probably carried over to Vietnam and is still lingering.

The thing is that the guy's from WWII were native Americans that
grew up learning a lot of the tradition that was a part of their heritage.

In other words they knew how to use them, not only as an offensive weapon, but as a defensive weapon as well.

They did not just go up to a wall locker full of edged weapons and pick a hawk to carry.

I will look through my small collection for a reference document to share.
 
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i know that cold steel makes one, it comes with a molle sheath that goes on your vest, some units standard issue them. its the link between your foot and a breaching shotgun for some doors it has a blade and a hammer end
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The effectiveness of the E-tool, small shovel, as a weapon cannot be disputed. Most notablby [sic] by Russian SPETSNAZ.</div></div>

The use of an etool as a weapon predates Spetsnaz. Retired Marine Major General Ray L. Smith has the nickname "E-tool" dating from a fight in Vietnam where he used one very effectively. In fact, the General's consulting business is <span style="font-style: italic">E-Tool Enterprises</span>.

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LAR Dragoon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The effectiveness of the E-tool, small shovel, as a weapon cannot be disputed.
Most notablby by Russian SPETSNAZ.

Back to the hawks, there were U.S. units in WWII that were known for using hawks.
Some of this legend / legacy probably carried over to Vietnam and is still lingering.

The thing is that the guy's from WWII were native Americans that
grew up learning a lot of the tradition that was a part of their heritage.

In other words they knew how to use them, not only as an offensive weapon, but as a defensive weapon as well.

They did not just go up to a wall locker full of edged weapons and pick a hawk to carry.

I will look through my small collection for a reference document to share. </div></div>

LAR,

Interesting Points. I knew several guys that carried the Buck stainless steel camp ax, but more for field craft than warfare

My Google Fu turned up this article on a commercial site for Hawks. It discusses a "ceremony" between the 19TH SFG and an Native American Tribe. Tactical Tomahawks

Let's not forget about our own [5th SFG(A)] Major Bob Howard's ability to wield the E-tool.

For my Devil Dog Brothers, here is a good history on MG Smith. MG Smith
 
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I'd say the most work our hawks did was breeching type activity. Along with the odd job of butchering steaks, etc.
H2H was a possibility but not likely.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd say the most work our hawks did was breeching type activity. Along with the odd job of butchering steaks, etc.
H2H was a possibility but not likely. </div></div>

What were you intending on using in a Hand to hand confrotation if you needed an edged weapon that gave you an advantage over using say a knife?
Whatever it is you need to train with it and not expect magic from it just because it is a proven or intimidating piece.
It takes training which takes commitment, but if you have a job that put's you in real situations in which it could prevent you from taking a dirt nap it is worth it.

And if nothing else you might impress a chick or two with your abilities.

Sound similar to shooting skills?
 
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FOR SALE:

Special Forces Tactical Boomerang. Owned by real live Green Beret. PM All relevant banking information to fast eddie.

(Of course this is a joke. Now you guys probably think I am Nigerian or something. LOL)
 
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As a matter of choice between the Spade and the Tomahawk, I would like to see a design that used a smaller Spade blade, with side edges and mass optimized to permit use as a hand axe/Tomahawk as well; best of both worlds. The older style folding E Tool arrangement with the pick mattock attachment, useable aligned both parallel and perpedicular to the handle, would be a useful addition.
 
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Maybe it is just me, but I don't get this at all. Who really carries these things? How about a tactical SOCOM 8 foot spear with S30V steel?
 
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Arch is right, I have got to try out one of these, and good luck on trying to break it, but you would have to be trained on how to use it, or you could wind up with a new name like stumpy, very lethal and sharp
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fast eddie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FOR SALE:

Special Forces Tactical Boomerang. Owned by real live Green Beret. PM All relevant banking information to fast eddie.

(Of course this is a joke. Now you guys probably think I am Nigerian or something. LOL) </div></div>

i got all excited and stuff for nothing.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RUM Lover</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just out of curosity, why would packing a tomahawk be usefull or pratical? </div></div>
When making an placing P sticks it's 10X faster than a blade,...cutting vine's is a snap, and setting a quick, quiet, 1-2 man bush it worked perfect. Much better than a E-Tool, which has a ringing sound when being used as a edge weapon. GI socks worked OK for damping the noise if needed. Some folks could not throw a blade, but a Hawk was/is easy to teach. They were not seen that much (circa mid 60's)but they had and still have their place.
 
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Lar Dragoon;
I am not really reading you, I suppose it has something to do with this internet forum thing; context and nuance are all deleted.
I am not saying we do CQB with hawks but when its on my armor and I cant get my knife or fist or boot or whatever into the fight, perhaps the handy hawk I carry can finish it.
BTW, where can I sign up to get this boomeranghawk?!
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Wouldn't a heavy bladed machete be more useful?

Now I did see a lot of guys in the detachments carry machetes

I never saw an SF “Warhawk”, but I saw a lot of camp axes, roofing axes, Buck hatchets, etc.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lil'Joe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wouldn't a heavy bladed machete be more useful?

Now I did see a lot of guys in the detachments carry machetes

I never saw an SF “Warhawk”, but I saw a lot of camp axes, roofing axes, Buck hatchets, etc.
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EXACTLY why i love my Cold Steel Kukri...VERY efficient cutting tool. Ask the Gurkhas how much they like that style...or their adversary's..well if u can find a living one. Check around ask for "stumpy".
 
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The Kukri would get my vote for making parts fall from the body. However, Be careful of how big of a Kukri you
choose or you might end up slashing yourself when you start swinging it.
Takes training, try Bando.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ghogs Nightmare</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lil'Joe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wouldn't a heavy bladed machete be more useful?

Now I did see a lot of guys in the detachments carry machetes

I never saw an SF “Warhawk”, but I saw a lot of camp axes, roofing axes, Buck hatchets, etc.
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EXACTLY why i love my Cold Steel Kukri...VERY efficient cutting tool. Ask the Gurkhas how much they like that style...or their adversary's..well if u can find a living one. Check around ask for "stumpy". </div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LAR Dragoon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Kukri would get my vote for making parts fall from the body. However, Be careful of how big of a Kukri you
choose or you might end up slashing yourself when you start swinging it.
Takes training, try Bando.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ghogs Nightmare</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lil'Joe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wouldn't a heavy bladed machete be more useful?

Now I did see a lot of guys in the detachments carry machetes

I never saw an SF &#147;Warhawk&#148;, but I saw a lot of camp axes, roofing axes, Buck hatchets, etc.
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EXACTLY why i love my Cold Steel Kukri...VERY efficient cutting tool. Ask the Gurkhas how much they like that style...or their adversary's..well if u can find a living one. Check around ask for "stumpy". </div></div></div></div>



It's true about the KuKri, that is why I am only 5'4" tall, was swinging it madly one day, and well let's say it got carried away

 
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A sharp fixed blade is better for scalping. The tomahawk can be used to break a bone, cleave the skull, establish deep puncture wounds and the like. If you throw, you had better be good and carry another blade. One could also pry off the quarterpanel of a car that took your spot (or has a bumper sticker disagreeable to you)revove door handles from doors, flatten scurrying mice, dig holes, open beer bottles, cut off the heads of chickens and raccoons, demolish most of the inside of a house; seriously, the list is endless. I have broken a number o etools, both old and new, but this tomahawk will be handed down for generations.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RX7-2nr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">im gearing up for production on the Spec Forces Tactical Boomerang as we speak. </div></div>

Royalties? LMFAOCOMG!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arch Stanton</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A sharp fixed blade is better for scalping. The tomahawk can be used to break a bone, cleave the skull, establish deep puncture wounds and the like. If you throw, you had better be good and carry another blade. One could also pry off the quarterpanel of a car that took your spot (or has a bumper sticker disagreeable to you)revove door handles from doors, flatten scurrying mice, dig holes, open beer bottles, cut off the heads of chickens and raccoons, demolish most of the inside of a house; seriously, the list is endless. I have broken a number o etools, both old and new, but this tomahawk will be handed down for generations.

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Arch,

You make an excellent point on the versatility of a hawk. The second major point is that I too have broken a shitload of E-tools. I would take them back to CIF and the lady there would just laugh. She told me I was the only one that even used this thing. Another consideration is that telltale "PWANG PWANG PWANG" it makes when, uh, well let's just whacking things... with an etool
 
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Damn!
How do I justify the purchase of a Tomahawk or new/better Kukri?

I need to move to an area where there is a Bando instructor, that would do it.