ok, so i saw a box of theses at the gunshow here this weekend and figured id give them a try. i have a rem 700 in .223 wylde. its a 1:8 twist. the box i bought was 50gr. so my question is, has anybody cranked these out of a 1:8 twist barrel and if so, what was your recipe? im a little worried these things will fly apart after leaving the barrel if i load them a little hot. any advise on these pills would be great. thanks