That’s a good call, I called and talked to a customer service rep yesterday and he told me I shouldn’t be having so much trouble making it shoot well. He did send me another rma label. So I’ll send it in this coming week. He committed to expediting it since it’s my second time.
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Springfield Waypoint bad groups troubleshoot help?
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Mine came back shooting great after their barrel replacement. The same Norma 143gr was shooting 1.5 to 2.5 MOA before. It came back shooting one ragged hole groups with the same ammo. My only gripe is that they took 6 weeks to fix it. That and the groups open up to around 1ish MOA when the barrel warms up. Definitely send it back to them! You paid good money for this rifle.
That is actually inspiring news. I'm really hoping it will shoot well after I get it back. Did they give any reasoning as to what was wrong with the barrel?
Nope, no reason given. They just sent me back a rifle that works.
Here's the test group that came back with the rifle.
Here are a couple groups I shot when the rifle was somewhat cool. Same ammo as the original thread btw!
I'll probably end up selling the rifle anyways because the groups open up when the rifle is hot, but it's great for a hunting rifle!
Was that with factory ammo? I am excited to see what a new barrel will do with hand loads.
Just a quick update, Springfield blamed the poor performance on the stock not being properly torqued. So no barrel replacement. I literally torque to the recommended 65 in-lb. Thankfully the shop where I purchased said they would make it right. All I can say, is DO NOT BUY this rifle. Learn from my mistakes.
Glad I read this, cause it really is a nice looking rifle and I thought it would make a nice hunting rig. What did you end up doing with the rifle?
I would and probably will buy another for my son. Mine shoots great. So does my buddys. I don’t have a friend with this rifle that doesn’t love it.
Why is there a straight line in the carbon running down the length of the barrel? Was it carbon wrapped or carbon sandwiched ???
Thankfully the shop that I purchased the rifle from backed me up and they refunded me. They planned to send it back to springfield at that point. They are definitely great looking rifles and seem like a lot of bang for the buck, but I would not recommend one based on my experience.
I suspect a lot of these factory guns are either tested out of the stock in a solid mount, or not tested at all. If you are Springfield armory and you make thousands of rifles, are you really going to proof test all of them at $60 a box for ammo? Most guys can't shoot 0.75" groups anyway so even if the rifle ends up being 1.5" 90% of customers won't know, of the 10% that do, most will just dump the rifle, the few that send it in, still money ahead of testing every rifle with possibly multiple 5 shot groups. If 75% of your guns shoot to the guarantee, and 90% of the shooters can't shoot 3/4" groups, you aren't getting many returned.
I remember trying to get a Kimber Montana to shoot I bought my father when he retired ~2007, at that time Kimber's testing was removing the gun from the stock and shooting at something like 47 yards and extrapolating to 100 yards and their acceptable group at 45 yards was 0.75". Ended up trading it for a Nosler M48 ~2009, it also had issues, no pilars, did not shoot to the guarantee. Sent it in, they couldn't get it to shoot either, they rebarreled and modified the stock and returned it, shot okay. Ended up getting a Weatherby Vanguard Sub-MOA not long after, slightly heavier but shot much better than either even with the super flexy factory stock. All were 270WSM.
I bought an HS Precision PHL 300 win mag for an elk hunt back in 2010, came with a tiny test target probably 1/4 MOA. Wouldn't shoot 1.5", even with the load they tested it with, sent it to HS, they couldn't get it to shoot either and were "baffled" took them months to rebarrel it. Again when it returned it shot okay, but no where near that first test target, even for them with the new barrel and a hand load.
Sometimes it goes the other way, I have a bone stock Rem LTR .308 that just hammers with FGMM match ammo, better than I can shoot it, don't think it was even $900 at the time. My first deer rifle was a browning A-bolt in 30-06 from the late 80's, for a factory $500 deer rifle it shot amazing.
You have to ask yourself how does this happen to new rifles with accuracy guarantees, some of which are north of $3k? I see only 2 ways, either they aren't testing them in the stocks as they ship (which is my guess for many that include test targets) or they aren't testing them at all (or only spot testing) and just accepting that X number will be returned. The only other option is they are somehow damaged in shipping or at the gun-store, to the point it's destroyed the accuracy of the gun, that seems pretty unlikely.
That said I still think companies should pay me to buy their products to get lemons off the market, I seem to attract the worst QC examples of even the most bulletproof products.
I remember trying to get a Kimber Montana to shoot I bought my father when he retired ~2007, at that time Kimber's testing was removing the gun from the stock and shooting at something like 47 yards and extrapolating to 100 yards and their acceptable group at 45 yards was 0.75". Ended up trading it for a Nosler M48 ~2009, it also had issues, no pilars, did not shoot to the guarantee. Sent it in, they couldn't get it to shoot either, they rebarreled and modified the stock and returned it, shot okay. Ended up getting a Weatherby Vanguard Sub-MOA not long after, slightly heavier but shot much better than either even with the super flexy factory stock. All were 270WSM.
I bought an HS Precision PHL 300 win mag for an elk hunt back in 2010, came with a tiny test target probably 1/4 MOA. Wouldn't shoot 1.5", even with the load they tested it with, sent it to HS, they couldn't get it to shoot either and were "baffled" took them months to rebarrel it. Again when it returned it shot okay, but no where near that first test target, even for them with the new barrel and a hand load.
Sometimes it goes the other way, I have a bone stock Rem LTR .308 that just hammers with FGMM match ammo, better than I can shoot it, don't think it was even $900 at the time. My first deer rifle was a browning A-bolt in 30-06 from the late 80's, for a factory $500 deer rifle it shot amazing.
You have to ask yourself how does this happen to new rifles with accuracy guarantees, some of which are north of $3k? I see only 2 ways, either they aren't testing them in the stocks as they ship (which is my guess for many that include test targets) or they aren't testing them at all (or only spot testing) and just accepting that X number will be returned. The only other option is they are somehow damaged in shipping or at the gun-store, to the point it's destroyed the accuracy of the gun, that seems pretty unlikely.
That said I still think companies should pay me to buy their products to get lemons off the market, I seem to attract the worst QC examples of even the most bulletproof products.
I have the same rifle, currently trying to develop a load for it.
If I shoot factory ammo I use the Norma 143 Bondstrike Extreme, averaging 1/2” groups, sometimes 3/4”, sometimes 1/4” groups. The ammo is very consistent, the group size variation is on me I assume.
Initially I tried the top Hornady offerings, match, precision hunter etc, and they were rubbish out of my rifle. From 1.5” to 4” groups kinda rubbish, and during that same shoot I ran the Bondstrike and immediately was VERY sub MOA. The best group we have achieved with the Norma BSE factory load was .23 MOA.
Interested to see what you settle on.
I got rid of the rifle. My patience for inaccurate rifles that go click when they're supposed to go boom wore off. I have a Seekins Havak Element in 6.5 PRC now and I couldn't be happier with the rifle and build quality.
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Springfield Waypoint—an owner's story of disappointment and abject failure
Hi all, I've posted about this rifle before on here, but wanted to put together a story for anyone interested in this rifle. Here's the link to the original thread and the more exhaustive one on long range hunting. The TLDR version is this: do NOT buy this rifle. It does not perform as...
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Damn.I got rid of the rifle. My patience for inaccurate rifles that go click when they're supposed to go boom wore off. I have a Seekins Havak Element in 6.5 PRC now and I couldn't be happier with the rifle and build quality.
Springfield Waypoint—an owner's story of disappointment and abject failure
Hi all, I've posted about this rifle before on here, but wanted to put together a story for anyone interested in this rifle. Here's the link to the original thread and the more exhaustive one on long range hunting. The TLDR version is this: do NOT buy this rifle. It does not perform as...
Fair enough though, you gotta draw the line somewhere! If mine had played up like that, being in New Zealand I woulda been screwed logistically. I’ll count myself lucky.
I was lucky to return mine. I couldnt get anything to shoot good. Factory or hand loads. I ended up sending it back to Springfield twice and they told me I wasn't torquing the stock correctly and that’s why it would t shoot.
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Yes, personally I love my WP, but literally a day after buying it I found out about Springfield’s track record on customer service.
This prompted a rapid and (very) expensive test and evaluation cycle of the rifle given in NZ we have a 28 day consumer guarantee on purchased goods. If I had an issue I intended to put it back onto the vendor rather than get bent over by Springfield customer service
I know it’s an old thread but I had the experience with my waypoint 6.5 prc not shooting less than a 2 inch group the first time I shot it. Took it back home and cleaned it throughly and retorqued the action screws to 65 in lbs and now with the same ammo ( Hornady precision hunter) the bullets are damn near touching every time. This is off of bipod and rear bag.
