Square to target
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Any little bit would make the holes slightly elongated instead of perfectly round and make your groups measure larger that they actually are.
OP I picked on you at first but my real answer is that a 10 degree angle between a target and shooter would not make any measurable difference in printed group size. The target would have to be extremely bladed to the shooter to have any significant impact on measurable group size.
Just like a windshield, or similar media, the bullet will be deflected either up, down, left or right and should have no real impact (pun) on your group. You may just need more trigger time.
If you have a barrel with right twist you can offset it by angling your target left. Should improve group size.
@abn31c That’s true. But only for left handed shooters like myself. Left gain twist for right handed shooters. Did you forget that? We just learned it in our 1500m class last month.
@Spblademaker yep my apologies, what I also forgot to mention was to angle your target up to minimize deflction. Paper only here, safety first.
Yes. 100%. Paper angled slightly upright. Those hangers they used were awesome. Adjustable from 3-7 degrees depending on paper thickness.
Wait, so you’re blaming the TARGET ANGLE for your groups?
This isn’t a stupid question. It’s a simple answer though.
It’s you. If you’re blaming the fucking target angle for your group size, it’s you.
This isn’t a stupid question. It’s a simple answer though.
It’s you. If you’re blaming the fucking target angle for your group size, it’s you.
Don't pay any attention to these yahoos.
Of course the angle is going to affect the group sizes.
This is nothing new and has been scientifically proven using the BBC formula.
BBC stands for Binary Ballistic Coefficient and the formula correlates the group size center to center deviations with the angle of impact so that the differences between where the bullet first impacts the target (the tip) and where it finishes penetration (the shank) are taken into account.
I'm on my phone right now, and have limited service, but if you Google these shooting related terms I think you'll find all the information you need.
It's often explained in graphic form, so doing an image search can get you there quickly.
Since shooting is something that Google and others consider to be dangerous you'll want to make sure safe search is turned off.
"BBC"
"BBC tip"
"BBC shank"
"BBC Penetration", also sometimes referred to as "BBC Double Penetration"
"BBC Splatter"
Of course the angle is going to affect the group sizes.
This is nothing new and has been scientifically proven using the BBC formula.
BBC stands for Binary Ballistic Coefficient and the formula correlates the group size center to center deviations with the angle of impact so that the differences between where the bullet first impacts the target (the tip) and where it finishes penetration (the shank) are taken into account.
I'm on my phone right now, and have limited service, but if you Google these shooting related terms I think you'll find all the information you need.
It's often explained in graphic form, so doing an image search can get you there quickly.
Since shooting is something that Google and others consider to be dangerous you'll want to make sure safe search is turned off.
"BBC"
"BBC tip"
"BBC shank"
"BBC Penetration", also sometimes referred to as "BBC Double Penetration"
"BBC Splatter"
BBC doesn't hold up at the distance most snipers operate at. Thats one reason I've chosen not to use it. I'm more concerned with meplat deformation, the tip is what really matters.
Hi. You must be new here.
Yes, but I've been shooting for days.
I’ve heard from other shooters that BBC left them with a bad taste in their mouths. That’s why I’ve avoided it like the plague.
Too much talk of BBC scares the weak and timid. I'm not scared of anything but there are things I have managed to avoid. BBC I'm told can leave a lasting effect on its target, I avoid these. BBP is another story.
Been studying BBP the last 5 years. Something doesn’t jive with the math. It’s fishy.
To the OP, perhaps a pm to @1J04 could help. He seems to have alot of experiance and first hand knowledge of BBC. Anything I can add to the topic is just hearsay. Seems to complicated.
That’s some solid, hard advice right there.
Heard about it in another thread. IIRC, it was in the advanced marksmanship area...
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Well, this has been a fun thread. Hope you searched and found an answer...
Honestly, when I saw the thread title, I thought you were referencing the importance of being square to your target behind the rifle when prone.
Honestly, when I saw the thread title, I thought you were referencing the importance of being square to your target behind the rifle when prone.
Its MOA based so its inches relative to depth angle.
? ya bunch of assholes. While it was an honest question it was posted here because it will have no truly useful information. And as for the BBC I’ll ask your daughter she knows plenty about it.
You’re making silly-assed (see @Tucker301 its hyphenated) inferences about why your groups are not what you want them to be. Seriously? 10-20 degree target angle has nothing to do with you still being unable to put them all in a tiny group. But if you want to believe that to make yourself feel better, go right ahead.
Hi,
Doug, do not listen to these guys....would you correct your daughter if her pitches were 20 degrees off?
If you would correct that then you can rest assured that the same degree angle offset of your target would affect your target groups.
Just sayin......
Sincerely,
Theis
Doug, do not listen to these guys....would you correct your daughter if her pitches were 20 degrees off?
If you would correct that then you can rest assured that the same degree angle offset of your target would affect your target groups.
Just sayin......
Sincerely,
Theis
I think that physically injured me.
So you’ve never heard of binary ballistic coefficient?
Dude it’s a real thing that doesn’t get enough attention because it goes much deeper into subject mater than most weekend hobbyists can benefit from, not to mention experience themselves.
If you don’t believe me you can always hit up lowlight and ask him about it.
Here’s the thing dude,
There are a lot of guys on here that can dip a lot deeper into it than you. Guys that have become very proficient hitting paper and steel, guys that have shot more than paper and steel, and guys that have taught others to succeed shooting more than paper and steel. You shouldn’t be so quick to be triggered when they give you the “thick skin” check. Think you are the first one to get ribbed here?
Perhaps your one man menstral show would fit in better at PMSshooter.com
Dude it’s a real thing that doesn’t get enough attention because it goes much deeper into subject mater than most weekend hobbyists can benefit from, not to mention experience themselves.
If you don’t believe me you can always hit up lowlight and ask him about it.
Here’s the thing dude,
There are a lot of guys on here that can dip a lot deeper into it than you. Guys that have become very proficient hitting paper and steel, guys that have shot more than paper and steel, and guys that have taught others to succeed shooting more than paper and steel. You shouldn’t be so quick to be triggered when they give you the “thick skin” check. Think you are the first one to get ribbed here?
Perhaps your one man menstral show would fit in better at PMSshooter.com
Fuck all of you and fuck your hyphens. Fucking fucknuts, fucksticks, fucktards........
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@Threadcutter308 you need to think a little out of the box and stop doing all your cooking by the book.
Fuck......and I’m taking a ration of shit for fucking hyphens........
??It’s “matter” dickbreath....
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I’m fucking Irish......and you expected what ? Manners ?
How did this OP get this much knowledge and experience in his thread?
Feel like I'm being watched ??
Feel like I'm being watched ??
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