SR25 Upgrades

[jakhamr81]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: teufelhunden</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I think of the $5000-8000 AR, I think of that Eddie Murphy movie where the two rich guys make a bet in the bathroom for a dollar that they could make him rich and Dan Akroyd poor.

I think that surely someone is laughing their ass off that they got people to pay that much on a 60 year old platform with no real groundbreaking design improvements. Somewhere, someone has one a dollar and bragging rights.... Lol </div></div>

Actually, Mr. Knight (KAC) invented & designed the picatinny rail that has become "ground breaking" for:

First and foremost, "our military"
Secondly, the "entire" AR commercial market</div></div>

I don't think that is at all accurate; Wikipdia is your friend:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picatinny_rail

Why is it called the Picatinny rail and not the Reed Knight rail then? It comes from the Picatinny Arsenal in New Jersey.

 

[JRose]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LRI</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I think of the $5000-8000 AR, I think of that Eddie Murphy movie where the two rich guys make a bet in the bathroom for a dollar that they could make him rich and Dan Akroyd poor.

I think that surely someone is laughing their ass off that they got people to pay that much on a 60 year old platform with no real groundbreaking design improvements. Somewhere, someone has one a dollar and bragging rights.... Lol</div></div>

Why don't you show us something groundbreaking with the reliability and accuracy of an AR? </div></div>

If I could, would it warrant a $5000 price tag??? Prolly so.... More so than just another overpriced mediocre performing AR...

Case in point....

LMT's quick barrel change feature is pretty innovative. I'd pay a little higher tag for that. KAC's AR???? Same 'ol AR..... Just because you believed the hype, doesn't mean it's true.

I'm not hating though, if I could get away with it, I'd overcharge you jokers too. I love capitalism...

 

[JRose]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LRI</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I think of the $5000-8000 AR, I think of that Eddie Murphy movie where the two rich guys make a bet in the bathroom for a dollar that they could make him rich and Dan Akroyd poor.

I think that surely someone is laughing their ass off that they got people to pay that much on a 60 year old platform with no real groundbreaking design improvements. Somewhere, someone has one a dollar and bragging rights.... Lol</div></div>

Why don't you show us something groundbreaking with the reliability and accuracy of an AR? </div></div>

If I could, would it warrant a $5000 price tag??? Prolly so.... More so than just another overpriced mediocre performing AR...

Case in point....

LMT's quick barrel change feature is pretty innovative. I'd pay a little higher tag for that. KAC's AR???? Same 'ol AR..... Just because you believed the hype, doesn't mean it's true.

I'm not hating though, if I could get away with it, I'd overcharge you jokers too. I love capitalism...

 

[teufelhunden]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: teufelhunden</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I think of the $5000-8000 AR, I think of that Eddie Murphy movie where the two rich guys make a bet in the bathroom for a dollar that they could make him rich and Dan Akroyd poor.

I think that surely someone is laughing their ass off that they got people to pay that much on a 60 year old platform with no real groundbreaking design improvements. Somewhere, someone has one a dollar and bragging rights.... Lol </div></div>

Actually, Mr. Knight (KAC) invented & designed the picatinny rail that has become "ground breaking" for:

First and foremost, "our military"
Secondly, the "entire" AR commercial market</div></div>

I don't think that is at all accurate; Wikipdia is your friend:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picatinny_rail

Why is it called the Picatinny rail and not the Reed Knight rail then? It comes from the Picatinny Arsenal in New Jersey. </div></div>

Im sorry I did not name KAC's rail specifically. I used "picatinny" as a general term for a rail. Every manufacturer now has their own version of some type of rail, even in the USMC we had KAC forend rails, however we referred to them as picatinny.

 

[KYS]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

Just because they have a rail system with their name stamped on it, does NOT mean they invented it.

 

[jakhamr81]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

Please show me a source that says KAC developed the picatinny style rail.

 

[teufelhunden]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

Don't have any sources, I made it up. I just like getting the KAC haters all worked up

 

[poison123]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: teufelhunden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't have any sources, I made it up. I just like getting the KAC haters all worked up </div></div>

I hope a mod gives you a time out for that one.

 

[rivemor]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just because they have a rail system with their name stamped on it, does NOT mean they invented it. </div></div>

Wait... LaRue Tactical did not invent the rail system? That means everything I read on AR15.com was a lie. What's next, someone's going to tell me that Chris Costa can't walk on water.

 

[poison123]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rives</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just because they have a rail system with their name stamped on it, does NOT mean they invented it. </div></div>

Wait... LaRue Tactical did not invent the rail system? That means everything I read on AR15.com was a lie. What's next, someone's going to tell me that Chris Costa can't walk on water. </div></div>

Actually I'm pretty sure Costa can walk on water.

 

[post_tensioned]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please show me a source that says KAC developed the picatinny style rail. </div></div>

Notwithstanding the pissing contest, I don't believe KAC invented the picatinny rail, but they were the first to put them on handguards for AR's. I believe most people now refer to the railed handguards and free-float railed handguards simply as "rails", which I'm sure is what is meant by the original comment.

 

[-Nick-]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: teufelhunden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't have any sources, I made it up. I just like getting the KAC haters all worked up </div></div>

Since when did disagreement with the cost or possible accuracy of a product mean that someone's hating? Do you even own a KAC?

 

[teufelhunden]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: teufelhunden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't have any sources, I made it up. I just like getting the KAC haters all worked up </div></div>

Since when did disagreement with the cost or possible accuracy of a product mean that someone's hating? Do you even own a KAC? </div></div>

I understand the OP of this particular thread brings up the point of "It is fun to shoot, but it still makes me tear up when I think about what he spent on it when GAP is right down the street from us!"

I think it just a little ridiculous that everytime a post has a legitimate question in regards to KAC's rifles here on the Hide, the thread almost immediately turns into a "over priced" or "over rated" discussion.

KAC has been around long enough for everyone to realize the price it takes to personally own one, its never been a big mystery. If you dont want to spend the money to own one, then dont. There are obviously a lot more manufacturers available out there to meet your needs.

I orginally posted earlier in this thread about how I disagree with bashing a business here on the Hide, unless the company in question will not back up their product. I should have left it at that and walked away. Once again I apologize for my last few posts.

And yes I own a few KAC's as well as others

 

[jakhamr81]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: post_tensioned</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please show me a source that says KAC developed the picatinny style rail. </div></div>

Notwithstanding the pissing contest, I don't believe KAC invented the picatinny rail, but they were the first to put them on handguards for AR's. I believe most people now refer to the railed handguards and free-float railed handguards simply as "rails", which I'm sure is what is meant by the original comment. </div></div>
I cannot think of a hand guard system that incorporated picatinny rails before I saw the KAC system, so you may be correct on that one. However, I don't think you can speak intelligently for teufelhunden since he said: <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: teufelhunden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't have any sources, I made it up. I just like getting the KAC haters all worked up</div></div>

 

[post_tensioned]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I cannot think of a hand guard system that incorporated picatinny rails before I saw the KAC system, so you may be correct on that one. However, I don't think you can speak intelligently for teufelhunden since he said: </div></div>

Reed Knight came up with the idea of the railed handguard, as a way to mount accessories to an AR, after seeing some Navy Seals with flashlights taped to their carbines. After developing the rail, he tried to sell it to Colt - who basically said - why would anyone want that-is there a military requirement for it? Instead, he decided to make them himself; which really put KAC on the map - since prior to the RIS's, they mainly made silencers and did weapons repairs, etc.

As far as teufel's response, well he definitely doesn't need me to speak for him, but the phrase tongue in cheek comes to mind.

 

[-Nick-]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: teufelhunden</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: teufelhunden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't have any sources, I made it up. I just like getting the KAC haters all worked up </div></div>

Since when did disagreement with the cost or possible accuracy of a product mean that someone's hating? Do you even own a KAC? </div></div>

I understand the OP of this particular thread brings up the point of "It is fun to shoot, but it still makes me tear up when I think about what he spent on it when GAP is right down the street from us!"

I think it just a little ridiculous that everytime a post has a legitimate question in regards to KAC's rifles here on the Hide, the thread almost immediately turns into a "over priced" or "over rated" discussion.

KAC has been around long enough for everyone to realize the price it takes to personally own one, its never been a big mystery. If you dont want to spend the money to own one, then dont. There are obviously a lot more manufacturers available out there to meet your needs.

I orginally posted earlier in this thread about how I disagree with bashing a business here on the Hide, unless the company in question will not back up their product. I should have left it at that and walked away. Once again I apologize for my last few posts.

And yes I own a few KAC's as well as others

</div></div>

I understand your sentiments, but the OP was asking what upgrades would people suggest for a KAC, in which the response was it's not worth upgrading for the price tag. It did however turn away from the original discussion which I'm equally guilty of doing, lol

I don't hate the weapon I hate the price tag, but it is what it is...

 

[shane45]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

If you can afford the KAC, then you can afford the upgrades I suspect.Only thing I did to my EMC was add a Surefire brake and tossed an Elcan Specter DR on top. I didnt get much trigger time with it yet but will hopefully be doing some timed drills this weekend. The one thing I did notice is that the EMC does not carry the weight of the Elcan as well as the SCAR17 did which puzzles me since they are so close in weight.

 

[-Nick-]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shane45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you can afford the KAC, then you can afford the upgrades I suspect.Only thing I did to my EMC was add a Surefire brake and tossed an Elcan Specter DR on top. I didnt get much trigger time with it yet but will hopefully be doing some timed drills this weekend. The one thing I did notice is that the EMC does not carry the weight of the Elcan as well as the SCAR17 did which puzzles me since they are so close in weight. </div></div>

+1
I got the surefire brake on my GAP-10 and I love it. Well worth the money IMO

 

[teufelhunden]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shane45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you can afford the KAC, then you can afford the upgrades I suspect.Only thing I did to my EMC was add a Surefire brake and tossed an Elcan Specter DR on top. I didnt get much trigger time with it yet but will hopefully be doing some timed drills this weekend. The one thing I did notice is that the EMC does not carry the weight of the Elcan as well as the SCAR17 did which puzzles me since they are so close in weight. </div></div>

Can you give some additional feedback after you get more range time. I have been considering between the 1.1-6 Elcan and the 1-8 Premier for my EMC. Would like to hear more on your opinion of the Elcan and especially the weight issue.
Thanks in advance

 

[shane45]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

Well I think I can speak on the Elcan without the added trigger time as I have had the Elcan for a while. It has lived on a SCAR17, MWS and now the EMC. Im sure it was a typo but the 6x Elcan starts at 1.5, not 1.1. I wanted my rifle to be 0 to 700ish capable and I do not do well with piggyback type solutions so thats why the 1 to 4 is my preference. The thing I like about the Specter is the FOV. A big FOV bright glass that is also large(probably why its heavy) gives you a great view. Its the only glass I ever had that I can see my hand on the front handguard. The one thing I could complain about is the size of the center dot. I wish that it worked more like a S&B 1x4 where the dot is gone if not illuminated. The dot is a hair large IMO. But absolute precision was not my goal. I plan on picking up a USO 1.8-10 or maybe a NF 2.5-10x32 in a QR mount for the times I want greater precision at distance. But for the all around, I love the Specter. I just seem to hit everything I aim it at within 300 yds (my ranges longest dist) quickly with minimal effort. I have had no poi issues and repeatability has been good. Worthy of note it fits the tightest so far on the KAC.

Shane

 

[gyz77]

Re: SR25 Upgrades

I have an EMC with Supressor and its topped by a NightForce 2.5-10X24 NXS scope. Shooting with the suppressor is the only way to go. I can shoot one ragged hole at 100yds. The Rifle Length gas system and the suppressor cut the recoil down to very managable levels. I love it. Working on buying another one to put the MAMS and new compact suppressor on. I have never understood why people who can't afford one feels the need to bash KAC stuff. I choose to spend the money because I have it. I have a custom DPMS build that feels totally different than the EMC. Both 16" Both Rail systems, Both with the same scope. Shot them both this weekend and I am impressed with the EMC everytime I go to the range. Just my 2 cents, GYZ