Steroids Anyone ??

[BIGGLEE0351]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twisted .308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">JJones hit the nail on the head ...
I'm 50 6' 1" 165# +- I consider myself in pretty damn good shape , and am very active at work always lifting and hauling stuff around all day , so I do " work out " per say just not in a gym
I have noticed muscle loss and and body mass diminishing . I do not always eat well at times </div></div>

Well , muscle loss is somthing we deal with as we age , it's
inevitable because as we age our growth hormone production and testosterone production slow and generally by the time we are in our 40's is nearly nill.
This is where a trip to a friendly endocrinologist is worth the
money , a testosterone replacement dose is an amazing thing bringing your body's ability to "reclaim" some of the muscle that was "lost" when it wasent present.

my father who is 64 has been on HRT of both test and HGH for about a year now , he has lost no weight but has dropped 3 pants sizes !! he sleeps better and has a much better appetite , attitude and over all sense of well being. He has been taken off all his blood pressure and cholesterol meds.

hopefully one of these days the government will allow the better dr.s to more easily prescribe these meds and hopefully WAY more dr.s will come
out of the stone age and get on track with this </div></div>


This is it. HRT gets the job done. When we age our bodies simply stop producing certain chemicals that are necessary for youth and vitality.

 

[SheepsClothes]

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At 18 I got my T levels taken. I was in the <100-200 range over a couple tests until I was 21ish.

I was in great shape, but I stayed fat and never got muscular despite my heavy lifts and overall size.

I have been Rxed testosterone a few times. Androgel was the worst for me. Trash actually, but I have really thick skin and an immune disorder that does affect my skin. Even with insurance it was ultra spendy. Might be less now. And you have to be aware you CANNOT touch your wife or kids, skin to skin with that on. Most of the testosterone will just dry and sit on your skin. If you sweat a lot you will actually be getting a much higher dose than someone who doesn't. Same if you take after a hot shower vs cold or no shower.

Injections are much safer in general, but they don't want to give most men enough to be worthwhile. US hates needles for the most part unless. Someone in here mentioned that a T measurement of 1000 is high, but in truth it isn't. Not at all. Normal for young to middle aged men is from 300-1200 depending on what doctor you go to. If you are not making enough or have some insensitivity you could even need much much much higher numbers just to feel as good as a healthy male who is in the 750-1000s. Similar to other hormone issues or depression meds like SSRI. Don't let a damn number be the judge of where you should be if you don't feel good, push your doctor or find a new one.

I have dealt with this endocrine problem my whole life, and been in the body building community for a huge portion of my life. My low T is probably a huge factor in why I am now type 2 diabetic. With an immune disorder there is no telling if it may progress to type 1 though....

Men do not take their health seriously. At all. Which is why drugs like testosterone are federal crimes and estrogen can be basically purchased OTC. Women have so many more rights when it comes to health it's sick, but it's our fault. If we can't get testosterone we would just be upset and hide it or buy it on the street and use BRO-science. Lots of underground make great products I'm sure, but they don't have the same pressure to make it right that large Rx companies do.

If you have low T, get treated. It can change your life. Depression, arthritis, diabetes and so many other things are linked to it. In the midwest they are now studying... or were until they found out some unfortunate news.. how pestiside and other chem run off is abundant in most water here. It has been showing what, if happened to women, is pandemic drops in hormone values in men linked to water and the fresh foods we eat.

Stand the fuck up about your health. About 1 in 8 women will deal with breast cancer. Almost 1 in 6 men will deal with prostate cancer. But men just don't pay attention to quality of life. We just try to act tough for some stupid pride issue.

As for the side effects of testosterone and most androgen analogs, well, they have them but it has been greatly overhyped. When I turn on the TV and hear an add for women's birth control that says "there is no medical reason to get your period every month", you can tell there is a disconnect that women are increasing the quality of their life. The FDA is saying a little androgens will kill you and cause brain cancer etc etc but a whole truck load of estrogen analogs(enough to stop a natural function) is totally cool and safe for the ladies if it increases quality of life. That just doesn't make sense.... but I digress

If you can make it without HRT, awesome. Much better if that is what you want. But there is no reason it shouldn't be an option for us men.

 

[shooter65]

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Androgel 1.62 daily. 100mg of cypionate once per week works for me. Diet is everything.

 

[match308]

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Agreed. Just buried a good friend that used anabolics for years. Buried him last week riddled with cancer.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can you name a specific product? Are you talking about the over the counter orals that are essentially methylated steroids?

Honestly, injecting medical grade illegal steroids is probably significantly safer and better for your body than those over the counter orals are.

I'd be very wary before you go down that path.

Natural btw, never used just done plenty of homework out of curiosity. </div></div>

 

[skinney_7]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheTick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ANYTHING can kill you if you over indulge. You can die by drinking too much water. Aspirin kills more people a year than steroids. Every medication has a benefit to cost ratio and it is up to you to decide if it is worth it.

Steroids are illegal and I am a cop, that is the ONLY reason that I do not take them.

Educate yourself before you just run with the "steroids are bad" stereotype.

Watch the attached documentary: Bigger, Stronger, Faster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMk4N6SLgGo </div></div>

ur takin em.

 

[30calDeath]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

if you saw some of the doses of some of the guys trying to get their procard you would swear I was lieing , 3000-4000mg a week , 15-20 iu HGH a day and 45-60 iu insulin a day !! </div></div>

That is wild.....crazy as all!

 

[JJones75]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillZone45</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

if you saw some of the doses of some of the guys trying to get their procard you would swear I was lieing , 3000-4000mg a week , 15-20 iu HGH a day and 45-60 iu insulin a day !! </div></div>

That is wild.....crazy as all! </div></div>

I know guys taking more that that who don't even place well at regional level shows!!!
Body builder and others use steroids as a crutch to make up for eating shit and training like a bitch.

Plain and simple their is nothing more anabolic to the body that nutritious food. Get your feeding and training right and after you have stopped making gains then look into supplements.

 

[Twisted .308]

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Two Words to describe steroids abuse ....Lyle Alzaido

 

[JJones75]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twisted .308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Two Words to describe steroids abuse ....Lyle Alzaido </div></div>

TOTAL BULLSHIT
Steroids actualy had little to nothing to do with his condition as he had a brain tumor and if steroids did cause that it would be the only documented case , possibly HGH use if he used any of the realy old stuff that was extracted from cadavers.

Their are guys that have taken alot more for alot longer and are perfectly healthy.
Im not condoning it , just sick of hearing the missleading media bullshit

 

[Shoottothrill]

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There has never been a single documented case that proved steroids caused cancer, death, brain tumors, or anything else for that matter.

If taken responsibly they can actually provide many health benefits to aging men.

Low testosterone is a bigger health risk than high testosterone.

Please don't buy into the government and media hype, concerning these compounds.

Remember that anything in moderation is ok.

Anything that you abuse can kill you.

Arnold is living to a ripe old age and he use to eat d-bols like they were pez candy.

 

[jhr1986]

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never needed steroids; good nutrition, hard rock/metal and getting pissed at the weight always works for me

 

[L3IRQ]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L3IRQ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A buddy of mine in his mid 20's did a run of test and trenbolone trying to get back in shape after a bike accident, he stayed fat but I remember his strength went up something crazy, I think he started out benching 135 for reps and ended doing something like 315. Didn't lose any fat though, I think he was actually fatter when he was done. </div></div>

How stupid !!!! does he have any idea about the kidney toxicity of trenbalone?
It baffels the hell out of me with the guys that insist on taking some shit thats pretty damn toxic to the body <span style="font-weight: bold">just because they are too fuckin lazy or undedicated to put in the work involved.</span>
"i had an injury" , "i have bad knees" , "i dont have the time" , "i don't know what to eat" along with about 5 billion other weak ass excuses ive heard people use to try to justify using excessive steroids or just being fat.

If you truely want somthing , you will make it happen , if you dont you will make excusses. </div></div>

That's pretty fucking ignorant thing to say, the guy was an athlete his whole life and had his left leg shattered and was in a wheelchair for 8 months.

 

[Maser]

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I'm on a corticosteroid for my asthma. Does that count?

 

[JJones75]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L3IRQ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L3IRQ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A buddy of mine in his mid 20's did a run of test and trenbolone trying to get back in shape after a bike accident, he stayed fat but I remember his strength went up something crazy, I think he started out benching 135 for reps and ended doing something like 315. Didn't lose any fat though, I think he was actually fatter when he was done. </div></div>

How stupid !!!! does he have any idea about the kidney toxicity of trenbalone?
It baffels the hell out of me with the guys that insist on taking some shit thats pretty damn toxic to the body <span style="font-weight: bold">just because they are too fuckin lazy or undedicated to put in the work involved.</span>
"i had an injury" , "i have bad knees" , "i dont have the time" , "i don't know what to eat" along with about 5 billion other weak ass excuses ive heard people use to try to justify using excessive steroids or just being fat.

If you truely want somthing , you will make it happen , if you dont you will make excusses. </div></div>

That's pretty fucking ignorant thing to say, the guy was an athlete his whole life and had his left leg shattered and was in a wheelchair for 8 months. </div></div>

AND ??? whats your point

If he was stong and had good size before the wreck then the muscle would have rebounded back quickly even after a lay off twice than long , in which case i refer back to my previous statment.
If he was a weakling before the wreck and decided to get back into the gym and take drugs then , i refer back to my previous statment.

I don't give two shits who takes what but for this jackoffs to just decide to jump on a cycle because they are lazy or undedicated or even impatient to peak out ther genetic potential FIRST thats what i have an issue with , again its used as a crutch.
And to use drugs that are not even desgined for human use first off and brewed up is some half ass kitchen lab secondly is again dumb

 

[cavemanmoore]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twisted .308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Two Words to describe steroids abuse ....Lyle Alzaido </div></div> Cool story, bro. It is proven that taking HGH extracted from human cadavers is detrimental to your health. Lyle did that. It is also proven that too much of anything is bad for you. Lyle admitted to hardcore anabolic abuse (not cycled, not tested, not regulated, etc) over a 20+ year period of time. I'm sorry he died. But his brain tumor had nothing to do with responsible endocrinological manipulation.

I don't understand why women are strongly encouraged to manipulate their endocrinology panels (ie: birth control, menopause treatment, IGF injections, etc), but men are discouraged from doing so.

Lastly, assume the naysayers are correct, and that steroids are bad for my health. Shouldn't I have the freedom to choose that for myself? Isn't the essence of America that we protect the freedoms of the individual from the views of the majority?

 

[Strykervet]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twisted .308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Update >
I have been on Androgel 1.62 now for 3mos . Was skeptical at first but without ANY type of extra exercises I have lost almost all my " Beergut " and muscle tone is more cut..excess body fat is Nil ... I Feel Alot better and do not get as tired so quickly as before. Sex drive has definately shot up and moods are much more positive and upbeat ...
As far as I am concerened ..well worth looking into ! Glad I did !!
T-levels at start were 340-NG/DL , now at 584-NG/DL and holding </div></div>

I'll update too, and I'll second this fellow. I've been shooting 200mg in my back twice a month and I'm just as skinny now as I was when I got out of the army. But I needed to be on it because the pain killers disrupt testosterone production over time. You get depressed, can't sleep, feel sluggish, shitty all the time and get fat no matter what you do or don't do. And it isn't the drugs, it was the lack of testosterone.

I sleep normal, feel better, not back to 100%, I never will be, but it did make one hell of a difference. I know for a fact that if I COULD work out, I'd be back in the damn army right now because anything is better than this boring shit.

If you think you are low, get checked. If you are, they'll likely give it to you. If you aren't and are fully mobile, then fucking eat right and take a long run, lazy bastard.

PS, the juiceheads went down the fastest in hand to hand from what I remember. They were too damn slow. Big, but slow. We had a couple in our units. No use in being built like a tank when one guy's arm snaps as easy as another. Just be healthy, fellas, I'd do anything to be able to run again!

 

[bm11]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twisted .308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Two Words to describe steroids abuse ....Lyle Alzaido </div></div>Right... and the NRA is responsible for the Colorado shootings too.

Lyle Alzedo's doctor said there is no way steroid abuse caused his tumor, but Lyle (with no medical degree) said it did and that made a much better story so thats the one they published.

 

[UKDslayer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Maser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm on a corticosteroid for my asthma. Does that count? </div></div>

Corticosteroids have nothing to do with anabolic steroids.

 

[Maser]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UKDslayer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Maser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm on a corticosteroid for my asthma. Does that count? </div></div>

Corticosteroids have nothing to do with anabolic steroids.</div></div>

No fucking shit. That's why I asked. Guess I should have put the [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tag in.

 

[Nidstyles]

Max-LMG is the only legl oral I would ever say anyone should touch if they so desired, and it is because it is not Methylated. Either way Superdrol was banned, so half the ones on the market are good, which is proably good, Superdrol was pretty bad for a lot of people.

 

[shooter65]

Dr's care. get your blood checked often. When you are 48 battling numerous surgeries. It is well worth. Use...not abuse.

Alcohol is the worst drug out there. Meth , crack not far. Let along those fucking cigarettes!

 

[Geronimo]

From the Lyle history his tumor from what i read was from the real gh not rGH , and beyond that reasearch will give a different answer than the answer they will give you. It's multiple tools, each has a use, figure out what fits you and what level you want to try. FWIW all the hrt stuff is usually the same stuff but a new name to sell. Thie is like debating if cans,ar's or hi cap mags cause evil.

 

[palma]

Dr's care. get your blood checked often. When you are 48 battling numerous surgeries. It is well worth. Use...not abuse.

+1. I took a prohormone (which is essentially a steriod) for about 2 weeks until I developed a pain in my right central abs. Immediately stopped and had blood tests about a week later by HRT doc. C reactive protein was really high, suggesting that my liver was/had been inflammed. Cholesterol was slightly elevated too. I read a couple of articles that steriods do the same. I would be worried about liver damage if taking steriods without doctor assistance.

 

[Joe-n-TX]

I've been a gym rat most of my life. What matters most is consistency. In workout, diet and rest. There is no quick fix. You get out of life what you put in it.

 

[TheSolitaryTraveller]

Avoid any drugs or items that are "meant" to increase strength or physical capability. It's best to go onto a good workout schedule or go through physical training, and be dedicated to the one you choose.
Now granted I don't even have a way of working out, I just push my self to physical exhaustion. Great way to build strength and endurance if you don't mind risking heat stroke, passing out, and other things that can cause you serious problems.

 

[Turk]

Androgel 1.62 daily. 100mg of cypionate once per week works for me. Diet is everything.

Diet isn't everything; it's just a part of the equation! I love when people are on anabolics and claim diet is everything!

 

[Rhino79]

I agree, consistency in nutrition, your workouts and sleep matter most. Over the past couple months I've suspected I might have a hormone imbalance, so I went to see the Doc. Keep in mind I'm active military so it's not as if I'm paying anyone for this nor am I dealing with a specialist. First trip in, the doc ordered a full blood panel, thyroid, and testosterone tests. Total testosterone came back at 538, but there was no SGBH or Free Testosterone tested. Both of which I felt were important to know. I had to practically explain why I wanted the full Testosterone Panel. Same with the Thyroid. Initially it came back as within normal ranges but it was only TSH...no RT3, FT3, FT4. I swear it was like pulling teeth to get them done. All of them came back within normal ranges. I dared ask for a Cortisol test, but he told me that since I didn't have symptoms of Cushings (hunchback) that he wouldn't order it for me. /boggle....

 

[Tact999]

Long term, pro hormones are not worth it. Everyone wants a quick fix....instant gratification. Supps aren't regulated so they can claim whatever they want and people believe it. Simplicity in your diet, supps, workouts and rest and an overall dedication to the cause will carry you a long way.


Tapatalk2

 

[shooter65]

Lots of clueless people here....

 

[Tact999]

Steroids Anyone ??

Lots of clueless people here....

Well then I guess we should feel privileged to have a genius in the room. Thank you for your presence.

 

[djarecke]

If it works, it's not legal. If it's not legal, it probably works! I'd steer clear of any of these and focus on just putting in consistent work in your training sessions.

 

[cavemanmoore]

If it works, it's not legal. If it's not legal, it probably works! I'd steer clear of any of these and focus on just putting in consistent work in your training sessions.

Cool story, bro.