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Fieldcraft Stopping a Tank by yourself
- Thread starter Gunfighter14e2
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I personally would still target the gunners sights but you would need to be pretty straight on staring down the 120 lol.
Second I would target both crows cameras
So M60-s and t72s?
OK,... almost bed time as I have to get up early.
You have identified the periscopes as the softest entry points, what is the next move on your part?
If no one gets it tonight, I'll lay it out from start to finish tomorrow.
You have identified the periscopes as the softest entry points, what is the next move on your part?
If no one gets it tonight, I'll lay it out from start to finish tomorrow.
I gotta ask because I'm curious....Wtf are you going to fight in the world where your going to run into those antiques?
One quick little question.
This is a very interesting thread for practicing thinking outside the box.
However....
In a hypothetical dystopian science fiction future based on an alternate timeline, would not some plucky rebels be a lot more likely to encounter much more recent armored up, purpose built troop transport vehicles that perhaps were recently used in a desert war and then handed out like candy to some uniformed type for "domestic order"?
This is a very interesting thread for practicing thinking outside the box.
However....
In a hypothetical dystopian science fiction future based on an alternate timeline, would not some plucky rebels be a lot more likely to encounter much more recent armored up, purpose built troop transport vehicles that perhaps were recently used in a desert war and then handed out like candy to some uniformed type for "domestic order"?
Nothing in today's world, but I would bet there is training for today's junk somewhere.
Yes but this thread was started based upon the M60 that rolled in Ca back in the 90's, an how one man could stop it.
Edit to add,... those things have a huge flaw that was pointed out here sometime back, but we are not going to relay/post that info again.
One tank... phhfff... low hanging fruit, when the bar has already been set at 18
Id be willing to try using all the socialist / communist in the house and senate as a human shield even if its just for laughs nothing stops ocd's hot air noise maker a blowing well maybe a 20 ton tank . it would be a good excuse for her to get her message where it belongs under a tank .... lol and she could take her squad and the rest of them with her . bye bye omhar
North Korea's citizens might need a little assistance when they finally decide they need to take down the Kim Dynasty.... Too bad they cannot read online boards like this, or mostly ANY online boards that we have here.
Imagine the sheer wonder and exhilaration that the collectors and auctioneers of military collectibles the world over will show when that country opens up... North Korea is literally a living time capsule. Everything is frozen in a fully operational state of the 1950's to the 1970's, right down to fashion and the retro-futuristic Soviet style public works posters. There are still large amounts of T-34's and Iosef Stalin's in operation, not to mention MIG fighters from every decade of the 20th century. And then there are the crates filled with pre-1899 Mosin Nagant receivers in mint condition that I am sure will be sold out even before they get to the States. @sirhrmechanic is going to be the first one to roar over the former DMZ in his turbocharged Deuce to start appraising and assigning value to all of the collectibles when that happens.
Well I see we have not came up with a viable plan as of yet.
Everything you needed to know is in this thread prior to this posting. Think out of the box. I'm going to the range in a few an if no one has came up with anything close I'll explain it upon return, save black choppers cuffs or death squads. Some of you are going to be pissed at yourself at how simple it really is. Truthfully I am shocked, an disturbed no one has got it yet. These are older than dirt tactics that would not apply in today's world, however like all tactics a twist in same, may allow time to stand still.
Whats interesting is when you trump google, you-tube, an other on-line things, how things shake out. Your brain is the weapon, everything else is but a tool,...
Everything you needed to know is in this thread prior to this posting. Think out of the box. I'm going to the range in a few an if no one has came up with anything close I'll explain it upon return, save black choppers cuffs or death squads. Some of you are going to be pissed at yourself at how simple it really is. Truthfully I am shocked, an disturbed no one has got it yet. These are older than dirt tactics that would not apply in today's world, however like all tactics a twist in same, may allow time to stand still.
Whats interesting is when you trump google, you-tube, an other on-line things, how things shake out. Your brain is the weapon, everything else is but a tool,...
Im interested in how to do this with a Renault FT-17.
You never know one may show up on the battlefield.
Only M60 Ive seen recently is on a pedestal dedicated to a soldier killed post 2003 Iraq invasion.
Guessing he wasn't even in an M60 when KIA but its what the Army is making available these days for memorials.
Pretty sure most tank riding enemies these days of the first order will in addition to some of the onboard tech mentioned here also have UAV capability down linking direct to the tank or relayed via command and control. Not to mention a Hind or something similar to create more problems.
If we run up against something like ISIS running smoke belching T72s than you stand a good chance of taking them out with multi pronged ambushes and jelled combustibles cast upon the back engine decking. Crap just make them run beyond their maintenance hours and they will be hors de combat because the peeps inside are not going to have the technology to keep them running.
Tanks are not undefeatable by a guy with a brain but a big part of overcoming the problem is location, location, location.
First get the tank someplace where you limit its ability to maneuver. Channelize it so it is only a forward and reverse battle not a 360 degree threat. Make it immobile so the problem changes from tank destruction to a pill box/hard point reduction problem.
Bury it up to the top of the hull and let it sit till the tankers starve and than set up an ambush to kill the recovery party.
You never know one may show up on the battlefield.
Only M60 Ive seen recently is on a pedestal dedicated to a soldier killed post 2003 Iraq invasion.
Guessing he wasn't even in an M60 when KIA but its what the Army is making available these days for memorials.
Pretty sure most tank riding enemies these days of the first order will in addition to some of the onboard tech mentioned here also have UAV capability down linking direct to the tank or relayed via command and control. Not to mention a Hind or something similar to create more problems.
If we run up against something like ISIS running smoke belching T72s than you stand a good chance of taking them out with multi pronged ambushes and jelled combustibles cast upon the back engine decking. Crap just make them run beyond their maintenance hours and they will be hors de combat because the peeps inside are not going to have the technology to keep them running.
Tanks are not undefeatable by a guy with a brain but a big part of overcoming the problem is location, location, location.
First get the tank someplace where you limit its ability to maneuver. Channelize it so it is only a forward and reverse battle not a 360 degree threat. Make it immobile so the problem changes from tank destruction to a pill box/hard point reduction problem.
Bury it up to the top of the hull and let it sit till the tankers starve and than set up an ambush to kill the recovery party.
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Doesn't everyone know this? You take off your socks, wrap them around a piece of TNT and coat it in grease...
Sticky bomb.... A bomb that sticks. You can look it up. It's in the field manual.
Noone pays attention any more...
Cheers,
Sirhr
P.S. Berlin 1991, the going rate for a MBT was a Mercedes Sedan. A Makarov was a pair of Blue Jeans. Commies were selling everything not nailed down in order to eat after USSR stopped sending them money and rations.
Sticky bomb.... A bomb that sticks. You can look it up. It's in the field manual.
Noone pays attention any more...
Cheers,
Sirhr
P.S. Berlin 1991, the going rate for a MBT was a Mercedes Sedan. A Makarov was a pair of Blue Jeans. Commies were selling everything not nailed down in order to eat after USSR stopped sending them money and rations.
Remember this was started do to the tank chase in Ca in the mid 90's an how could they stop it. The Ca. tank driver was stupid as he never combat locked it from inside. However he was a setting duck even while moving if the right guy got on the tank. Once on the tank tie down the two upper hatches so there is no why for anyone to pop out. A single block of C-4 shaped an bagged over his (driver) periscope would have over pressured the inside, once the first block went off a second could be set in/thru that opening, set off & killed him if the first did not. Remember the main gun was in travel lock so the turret could not be moved even if there were more than one person in it. If the TC's hatch was facing to the rear I'd have blow'ed them as the blast might take the TC's seat an turn it into shrapnel towards the drivers compartment an a second blast may not have been required. You can spall the inside by shooting down thru the periscope opening as well with a rifle, but C-4 is much quicker an opens the complete casting hole up.
After the comments to this we'll start on one guy vs one tank w/o support or infantry attached.
After the comments to this we'll start on one guy vs one tank w/o support or infantry attached.
Spider hole, slap 2# of that available covered in something adhesive directly to the bottom of the hull as it drives over - preferably with a nice long fuse so the tank drive off before it blows.
Barring that, knock the tracks off.
Barring that, knock the tracks off.
I don't think there is anything in local LE inventory that will take out a tank nor will the powers that be allow guys to jump on a hull with C4 to blow their way in.
The Cali tank ended up fouling itself and only than were responders able to get access and shoot the operator..........and it took a lot of balls to do it.
Faced with such a situation again all LE can do is try to contain with appropriate barricades and hope for the fuel to run down or a mechanical stoppage.
Given enough time, damage, threat to the public someone might issue authorization for the mil to stop it but there would be a bunch of political balls on the anvil and if there is anything politicians loathe its having their balls on an anvil. Maybe that mayor in Philly would authorize an airstrike but it might depend on the back ground of the tankjacker.
The Cali tank ended up fouling itself and only than were responders able to get access and shoot the operator..........and it took a lot of balls to do it.
Faced with such a situation again all LE can do is try to contain with appropriate barricades and hope for the fuel to run down or a mechanical stoppage.
Given enough time, damage, threat to the public someone might issue authorization for the mil to stop it but there would be a bunch of political balls on the anvil and if there is anything politicians loathe its having their balls on an anvil. Maybe that mayor in Philly would authorize an airstrike but it might depend on the back ground of the tankjacker.
In the Ca happening if the driver had not been stupid he would have not high centered it nor would he have allowed it NOT to be combat locked. For if it had been, it would have last a lot longer.
I would not allow anyone that has stolen any armored vehicle to ride one second longer, than I could stop them. Why, because School kids an old people can not run very fast, nor can you evac the places they congregate 100% very quickly. No one knows what the asshole/s that stole it have in their mind/s. They have already proved they don't obey the law an waiting to see if it's just a joy ride or not, is putting the public at major risk. Any stolen Armored Vehicle is a major danger to the public, to include armored Cars.
Well, I don't have any c4. Back to the molotovs.
DIESEL engine, unload an acetylene bottle in the engine air intake.
Turbine engine, dump 10 pounds of confectioner's sugar in the intake, or dump 3 gallons of Liquid Nitrogen intO the intake...or possibly a big CO2 or HALON fire extinguisher.
Done.
Turbine engine, dump 10 pounds of confectioner's sugar in the intake, or dump 3 gallons of Liquid Nitrogen intO the intake...or possibly a big CO2 or HALON fire extinguisher.
Done.
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Laughing,...NOT
If when the next one happens (an I pray it never does)make sure it's not your a/o so you can set safely an watch the carnage from afar. I'm sure most know for a fact the asshole called ahead an made sure all the cars, trucks & motor homes he ran over never had anyone inside of them before making pancakes out of them. However, let me guess if a loved one of yours had been in one, it still would have been funny, right? Or would you have been screaming for LE to do something right then?
It never ceases to amaze me how some will just throw up their hands an say,... we can't do that, there should be a law,...it will never happen, so why even worry or plan for it?
OK if that's what the majority here wants so be it, laugh it up, don't try to learn anything, an yes everyone knows if you can't do, it no one can.
If when the next one happens (an I pray it never does)make sure it's not your a/o so you can set safely an watch the carnage from afar. I'm sure most know for a fact the asshole called ahead an made sure all the cars, trucks & motor homes he ran over never had anyone inside of them before making pancakes out of them. However, let me guess if a loved one of yours had been in one, it still would have been funny, right? Or would you have been screaming for LE to do something right then?
It never ceases to amaze me how some will just throw up their hands an say,... we can't do that, there should be a law,...it will never happen, so why even worry or plan for it?
OK if that's what the majority here wants so be it, laugh it up, don't try to learn anything, an yes everyone knows if you can't do, it no one can.
LOL 
You purpose a situation based on machinery that no one has faced in the field in 20+yrs.
Then refuse to consider any solution as viable except your own. Only your solution requires C4... an item almost zero LE units or civilians have readily available to them...
Yes, we're laughing. How can that surprise you since this whole topic/solution is absolutely ridiculous?
You purpose a situation based on machinery that no one has faced in the field in 20+yrs.
Then refuse to consider any solution as viable except your own. Only your solution requires C4... an item almost zero LE units or civilians have readily available to them...
Yes, we're laughing. How can that surprise you since this whole topic/solution is absolutely ridiculous?
Apparently the Dallas Police Department has enough of it spare to arm their robots with.
Robot delivery of C4 and boom.....
M60s are still being used in the world, don’t kid yourselves.
Just make a EFP and punch a nice hole right through the hole. If you are planning on using a C4 shape charge to pop the drivers hatch, why not use the same charge and get some stand off.
Just make a EFP and punch a nice hole right through the hole. If you are planning on using a C4 shape charge to pop the drivers hatch, why not use the same charge and get some stand off.
There are numerous ways to stop a tank in urban warfare...and by stop, I mean just that...remove its ability to maneuver. In military parlance, this is called a "mobility kill". In my day, this was the "bread and butter" of Special Forces...teaching guerillas insurgency and guerilla warfare. Without infantry support, tanks are easy targets, especially in urban environments where there are numerous places to hide. The easiest method is to take pieces of water pipe and throw them between the road wheels. This will cause the tank to throw a track. Rolls of concertina wire pulled across a tanks path, like the police do with spike strips, will also foul the track and cause a mobility kill.
Not a tank, but you get the idea.
Not a tank, but you get the idea.
Interesting that people do not read from the start is it not? The other thing is how they try to push things into another realm to justify logic in their own mind.LOL
You purpose a situation based on machinery that no one has faced in the field in 20+yrs.
Then refuse to consider any solution as viable except your own. Only your solution requires C4... an item almost zero LE units or civilians have readily available to them...
Yes, we're laughing. How can that surprise you since this whole topic/solution is absolutely ridiculous?
Yep there is a lot more heavy iron readily available and most runs on a common Cat key.
There are a few videos of people figuring this out and taking out there frustrations on people.
The big D dozers are no joke.
That’s a bad day. I got my m1025 fouled on a spool of c-wire I didn’t see one miserable night.
Turkey runs them.
I don't see us fighting Turk M60s here.
Guessing maintenance wise their operational ability is very limited.
I don’t know man... I see m60s on static display all over the place. I’m sure there’s some conspiracy theorist fuming about it right now.
But yeah, Turkey uses them, and Rayethon has been trying to reboot them.
Static display machines are pretty beat under a fresh coat of paint.
They wont be firing up and raging through the city streets.
Raytheon is a whore that will do anything for a buck. They want to keep milking a barren cow hoping these second/third tier militaries will continue to run those tall, big silhouette targets.
Best thing to do with a 60 now (unless your in a war limited to similar last century technology) is to bury it to the hull on your border and use it as a rotating pill box. That coaxial, flex .50 and 105 would be an obstacle on our Northern/southern borders - nah we can use new gear - let Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia dig em in and protect their own shit.
The Sabra is an extensively upgraded M60 Patton tank developed by Israel Military Industries.
120 mm gun developed by IMI, improved applique armor, and the Knight fire control system from Elbit Systems.
RWR/IR warning system, and tracks from the Merkava Mk IV
MTU Friedrichshafen engine built under license in Turkey (MTU Turk A.S.), and a Renk transmission with four forward and two reverse gears.
120 mm gun developed by IMI, improved applique armor, and the Knight fire control system from Elbit Systems.
RWR/IR warning system, and tracks from the Merkava Mk IV
MTU Friedrichshafen engine built under license in Turkey (MTU Turk A.S.), and a Renk transmission with four forward and two reverse gears.
Hey Dude between Wuhan AIDS and Hillary loves Caucus I cant keep up.......
