Suppressors Stuck Adaptor in my can (Thunderbeast/DBMG)

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I've got a pretty new Thunderbeast 30P-1 for shooting my .308 DMR.....I bought an adaptor from DBMG so I could shoot my m4 with my 308 can.

Unfortunately, I was able to easily screw the adaptor into my can about halfway and then it just locked up...very strange...I mean it went from spinning normally to locked up TIGHT in less than 1/8 of an inch. Now, I cannot either screw it in further or attempt to back it out.

So, I am quite upset at DBMG being that I know the cans threads are up to spec because it fits like a glove on the threads on my LWRC.

I spoke with Zak at Thunderbeast and being the great guy he is he will be taking a look at it and fixing it for me. Not sure who I should use for an adaptor. Any other reccomendations for thread adaptors?

Thunderbeast - you guys just rock. Hope yall can easily fix my can because I love it.

DBMG - Not impressed with the quality to which your threads were made. I will be in touch with someone over there to discuss the issue on Monday.

Just letting yall know....beware of DBMG thread adaptors for your cans. Mine was stanless btw.

Cheers.
 
#3
Re: Stuck Adaptor in my can (Thunderbeast/DBMG)

I had never had any problems either until I attempted to screw my can onto the DBMG adaptor...got halfway on easy then stuck so hard it was hard to believe...case in point, its getting shipped to Zak at Thunderbeast for removal.

Im pretty sure the adaptor will be unusable when they get it out so I would expect that DBMG replace it for free....is that unreasonable?
 
#8
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Similar experience, different brand of adapter.
Thunderbeast makes good stuff, but it makes bad threading fairly obvious.


Send it back, Thunderbeast will make it right. Then buy a better adapter.
 
#9
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3DHUSKER said:
Still no word on my situation.


Who did you,go through? DBMS or thunderbeast? I've called DBMS and sent 4 emails, and left 4 vms....no,response. I am about suggest to the hide that we pretty much do not reccomend their products. I am pretty pissed. If I don't gett a response by tomorrow I'm calling my cc company and having it he $50 charged as fraud. The least they could do it respond or offer to,replace it but this is past unacceptable. Want to play games with me and ruin one of my cans.......I'll make sure everyone on the hide and several other forums knows what is going on and my experience. No, it's not slander.....it's sharing my personal experience with truth only....no bad mouthing......just the cold hard facts.
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#10
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I went through DBMS directly and ordered what was recommended.
The adapter threaded in my can fine after I dressed the threads. It had a burr on the end. Something that I never would have thought I would see, nor thought they would let leave the shop, but glad I checked. Then I took it out of my can and went to install it on my AR. The threads were not cut deep enough on the adapter and it bottomed out on the muzzle not the shoulder.
I cannot have that. Needs to be threaded all the way through.
I explained my problem in an email and requested a refund like their site says they will do if not satisfied. I sent it back with delivery confirmation so I know they got it last week. Still no reply of any kind or credit. Like I said I will give them to the end of the week.
 
#13
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You can count on the ID of the can to be right from TBAC.

I stuck my 30P-1 on a barrel. Totally my fault. Threads were a tad off.

All you can do is cut it off, put the can in a lathe chuck, start boring out the stub with progressively larger drill bits, then when it gets close, go after it a few thou at a time with a boring bar. Like most machining operations, not hard to do if you know what you are doing but easy to F**K up if you don't.
 
#14
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Any way that you could put the can in a vise and use a pipe nipple extractor to get the adapter out? You know the adapter is junk so why worry about ruining the threads internally on it with the nipple remover?
 
#15
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Bubba is what bubba does - pipe wrenches, vices, nipple thingies, 220, 221 - whatever it takes.

Stuck means STUCK dude. Screwing it out after it is already boogered on the inside just damages the threads. Cutting it out as I described above keeps thread boogering to a minimum if any at all.
 
#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It might just be me, but I wouldn't put a 30P-1 on a AR15 platform. They are precision rifle cans, not semi auto cans!

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From the tech support section on TBAC's web site:

question -

"Hi,

The product sheet for the 30P-1 says "limited" semi-auto.

http://www.thunderbeastarms.com/pdf/TBAC-30P-1.pdf

I plan to use the 30P-1 on my AR. I'm not going to be doing mag dumps, but I will be doing some action type shooting where you shoot 20 rounds in a course of fire which takes less than a minute. The time between courses of fire is about 45 minutes depending on the number of shooters. Will that be OK?

Thanks. "

Answer from Zak -

"That should be fine. Just keep its temperature under about 800-900 *F. "
 
#18
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Keep your laser temp gun in your pocket I guess.....
I know what the TBAC cans call for! I've read their manuals and I own 5 of them
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#19
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It might just be me, but I wouldn't put a 30P-1 on a AR15 platform. They are precision rifle cans, not semi auto cans!

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It probably is you. My AR is a precision rifle and gets a precision can.
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If your shooting an ammo waster you definitely need an ammo waster can.
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3DHUSKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It might just be me, but I wouldn't put a 30P-1 on a AR15 platform. They are precision rifle cans, not semi auto cans!

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It probably is you. My AR is a precision rifle and gets a precision can.
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If your shooting an ammo waster you definitely need an ammo waster can. </div></div>

I wouldn't put a TBAC 30P-1 on my 10.5" AR15. Its an accurate rifle, but it's not a precision rifle. Its more of a CQB type system. I don't want a Ti can on that, I want a bang up can like a KAC NT4, AAC M4-2000, YHM Phantom 5.56, etc.
 
#21
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A little bit ago it was you wouldnt put one on a AR platform. Now its a SBR. Glad you have come to your senses. I would not either. My ammo waster is accurate also, but far from precision.
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All i know is i need a can for every gun and your probably the same by the # of cans you have.
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#22
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I purchased a 30P-1 also to use on my 8" 300 BLK and 16" SPR (Centurion Arms). I'd like to get a SF 556-212 eventually as a dedicated can for both my 12.5" SBR and 16".

I too bought a DBMG adapter with "issues" and just got off the phone with them. I'm sending them back today/tomorrow and will hopefully get a refund when they receive the items.
 
#24
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I agree Zak. But we are talking the 30P-1 here.... thats just not the can I want to run on my 5.56 platform...

I would not put one on my Mk12 or SBR, I just think they have better choices to be made in the 223P-1 and 223A for those applications.

Kind of like why would you put Pirelli racing tires on a Mini Cooper? Thats just not what they were designed to be ran on!
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#25
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Zak, do you know of anyone who's compared the 223P-1 to the AAC M4-2000 or SF 556-212? Or the 30P-1 vs 223P-1 on a 16" AR. I'm not sure if I want a thread on can since I don't plan to shoot suppressed all the time on the SBR.

KY, I think there are better choices too but there has to be some compromise if you want versatility. The reason I got the 30P-1 was because I wanted a bolt gun in the future (accuracy first). Otherwise I would've gotten the SDN-6 or SF 762/MINI for the 300 BLK build.
 
#26
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Zak, do you know of anyone who's compared the 223P-1 to the AAC M4-2000 or SF 556-212? Or the 30P-1 vs 223P-1 on a 16" AR. I'm not sure if I want a thread on can since I don't plan to shoot suppressed all the time on the SBR.

KY, I think there are better choices too but there has to be some compromise if you want versatility. The reason I got the 30P-1 was because I wanted a bolt gun in the future (accuracy first). Otherwise I would've gotten the SDN-6 or SF 762/MINI for the 300 BLK build. </div></div>

Running a 300 blackout in subsonic is not going to get that hot.....
 
#27
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Didn't BM11 have issues with the same style thread adapter, albeit, not a fitment problem like the OP, but a accuracy issue.

I had to send my 30P-1 in when I first got it. The suppressor got stuck on the barrel that APA threaded. I am not the only one either, I had a friend get his threaded by Chad Dixon it also got stuck. Great can, but the threads can be on the small size.
 
#28
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Just FYI on threads: We thread to Class 3 thread specs (3B for internal threads) and gauge everything multiple times before it goes out the door. In every case we've had to cut something off, the measured external muzzle threads have been outside of 3 specs (3A for external threads).

 
#29
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no thread pitch challenges for me, I cant count the BA mounts that I have on different guns plus the 30P-1 and 223P-1 have been flawless on numerous guns built by different smiths
 
#30
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Here's an update. I got a call today from Dennis (owner at DBMG). He apologized for the lack of response and kindly offered to pay for any damages or costs incurred should my can be screwed up. So, Zak can have a fun time experimenting with the best way to get one of these things that are stuck halfway in.

Hopefully, it has not ruined the threads so I have to wait for my can to be rethreaded bc I have no idea how long that may take. I sent a note to Zak to bill DMBG directly for any costs incurred.

Not sure what went wrong here so hopefully Zak will be able to tell us what happened. maybe a bur or a whole thread was out of line. I know the can threads are perfect because it fits absolutely perfectly on my LWRC rifle like a glove.

Thanks to Zak (for fixing my can) and Dennis at DBMG (for being a stand up guy and paying for possible damages).

I will keep you posted on progress as this moves forward.

 
#31
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Shane is our shop manager and head machinist and he'll be repairing your suppressor, SteelShot11. Normally if something just gets stuck and you do not force it, no thread repair is required (we can just remove the adapter/muzzle). It's when you take drastic/desperate measures to try to get it off that the real damage is done.
 
#32
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Thanks for the update Zak....all I did was take a small handheld wrench and attempt to unscrew the adaptor out of the can so hopefully it didn't screw up the threads. Im sure you guys will do a QC check to make sure that the threads are good to go before you send it back because you guys actually know what you are doing and build things the right way the first time.

Thanks again for your help and keep us all posted.
 
#34
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I tried buying a DBMG had brief communication with them and than nothing. No replies to emails or calls etc. So I bought a TROS instead. Its been great!
 
#36
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Damn 3D - I'm sorry bro. Next time I talk to the owner I will mention that people are having problems getting responses which is not doing his companies reputation any good. PM me with your name and I will mention you by name to him.
 
#37
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Ok... I tried to call again today and got voice mail. left a message at 1:00. No call back. It will have been a week since my first email to them telling them It was coming back and the reason why. 2 email and 2 phone calls and no response or credit back. Friday I call the credit card company. I am tired of dealing with these people or rather not being able to. Big fat 0 for communication.
 
#38
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Ok, so good news is that Shane at TBAC got that adaptor out of my can. I was lucky. He said their was definately a burmon the threads so I am lucky I didn't force it or I would have been screwed. Suggestion, if you buy gear from DBMG run your fingers over each thread to check for smoothness and file any that you might feel down. If in doubt, return itt for replacement bc it can and will trash the threads on your can.

Just another example of why thunderbeast rocks.thanks to both Shane and Zak!
 
#39
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I dropped them from my plans, went with a TROS instead. Good to go on my stick and my buddies AAC Cyclone, so should be good to go on my 30P when it arrives.
 
#40
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Burrs on threads are dangerous. Usually there is enough clearance between the root and crest of the mating threads that a minor burr won't cause issues. However if the burr is a hanger and folds over onto the engagement surfaces, the threads will generally lock tight. It's like throwing a wedge into the threads and often you cannot back off or push deeper. I prefer rolled threads and UNJ threads to alleviate burr issues but those aren't common in commercial manufacturing. I always check threads on stuff I buy. They're too easy to bugger up.
 
#41
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Sorry to hear that. From experience I can tell you the threads are too F'in tight on the mount from DBMG.

I went through a similar situation when a local smith threaded my 260 barrel. Brake is no issue. Get my TBAC 338P1 decide to try it on my .260 and feel it getting a little snug far too early so I stop and back it off. Totally seized up on the threads of my TBAC. Shane with TBAC took care of me pronto.

Tip, if you're going to have threading for a can or adaptor, get an QD adaptor from the manufacturer or thread pitch conversion from someone who deals with suppressors regulary and has a good track record of doing so. My smiths threads looked beautiful, very precise, but doesn't mean squat when it locks your suppressor to the barrel only 40% of the way on the barrel.
 
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