Sub MOA SKS?

[Forgetful Coyote]

Thought yall would get a kick outta this.. talk about a roundabout way to get sub MOA, LOL

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/07/10/1moa-sks/

@sirhrmechanic or anyone who might know.. I thought 1919A4 barrels were chrome-lined? I suppose not if he had his rechambered to 7.62x39..??

 

[Sooter76]

That’s not an SKS any more than a 1903a3 is a K98... A rifle design is the sum total of its parts, not just the action.

 

[Aaros143]

Thats a prime example of something that could be done but should it?

 

[TonyTheTiger]

Is that bipod for real?

 

[jbell]

That is retarded...

 

[Spblademaker]

I feel dumber for clicking on the link. That “bipod” looks less stable than a hide stretcher.

 

[KZP]

Looks like it was a fun project to attempt.

 

[Jackomason]

Did they take it down? I'm kinda sad I missed it.

Imagine the capabilities of a .310 Warner tool flatline. Itd put those PRS guys to shame with their fancy dashers!

 

[Dougie308]

Dear God. The bipod looks like a bent coat hanger

Thought yall would get a kick outta this.. talk about a roundabout way to get sub MOA, LOL

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/07/10/1moa-sks/

@sirhrmechanic or anyone who might know.. I thought 1919A4 barrels were chrome-lined? I suppose not if he had his rechambered to 7.62x39..??

 

[Spblademaker]

“He puts the cost around $500 with the optic.” ??

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

I have to wonder if the "bipod" is even used as such. It looks much more similar to the 2-legged stands used by Palma/Long Range Prone shooters..??
Like so, 3rd picture down:
https://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of-week/gunweek059/
Bipods are illegal in Palma, they just use these when they're resting and whatnot.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

My Yugo shoots by the manual. 6 MOA battle sight. And it is not chrome lined. That means from a rest the groups (4-5 shots each) should average 6 MOA (accuracy) and the center of the group should average within 2 MOA (precision) of the point of aim or center of target. I don't know why people want to make the SKS as anything other than a peasant battle rifle. Though, we took it seriously in Vietnam. Next up is a target Makarov PM.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

My first SKS was a Norinco, bought especially so I could shoot some matches and get certification on rifle practice for my DCM Garand purchase.

It was my inaugural glassbedding project, and my inaugural load development project.

Never shot 1 MOA-small, but was a lot more respectable than a box-stock SKS shooting MilSurp.

Sold it, like an Id10t.

Greg

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

My first SKS was a Norinco, bought especially so I could shoot some matches and get certification on rifle practice for my DCM Garand purchase.

It was my inaugural glassbedding project, and my inaugural load development project.

Never shot 1 MOA-small, but was a lot more respectable than a box-stock SKS shooting MilSurp.

Sold it, like an Id10t.

Greg

Any chance you could elaborate on loads used?

The Soviets back in the day used 6.5x54R in their biathlon rifles. Imagine if they had also done the same to the x39, and instead of going with 5.45, did a 6.5x39, preferably with atleast a bit of an Improved case design not too unlike the Grendel and had it adopted widespread. Tho I ain't sure the AK platform would be able to use a Grendel or something approximating a Grendel to anywhere near its accuracy potential, it'd still give it much more effective range. A Grendel or Grendel-like 6.5x39mm round in a RPK would basically be able to give the range capabilities of the PKM in a smaller lighter, less-recoiling platform.

 

[Hetzer]

I think it's an interesting project myself.

The bipod looks to be an Anschutz. Maybe they are just used to hold them upright when they're parked. I've not seen a picture of them in use.

 

[BarkBeetle]

Time and money

 

[sandwarrior]

I don’t know why “naysayers” come out in droves whenever something interesting comes along.

Yeah, one day SKS’s may become collectors items. They aren’t though. The only reason the prices go up on them is they are too closely related to AR’s.

It’s pretty amazing when you take the slop out of an action, work the barrel up using precision techniques, and solidly bed the action in an ergonomic stock, that it shoots so well.
This just goes to show there is nothing inherently wrong with the design as far as accuracy. The problem instead is punching shit out so fast there is no chance to give the pieces needed the chance to be precise.

As Townsend Whelen once said, “Only accurate rifles are interesting.” That would make this rifle “interesting”

 

[Hetzer]

I always considered making one in 6.5 Grendel. Same case head if I recall correctly. Wanted to see how well one could make it shoot. Starting looking around for barreled receivers, but they were always more than I wanted to pay. So I never followed through on it.

 

[308pirate]

I don’t know why “naysayers” come out in droves whenever something interesting comes along.

Yeah, one day SKS’s may become collectors items. They aren’t though. The only reason the prices go up on them is they are too closely related to AR’s.

It’s pretty amazing when you take the slop out of an action, work the barrel up using precision techniques, and solidly bed the action in an ergonomic stock, that it shoots so well.
This just goes to show there is nothing inherently wrong with the design as far as accuracy. The problem instead is punching shit out so fast there is no chance to give the pieces needed the chance to be precise.

As Townsend Whelen once said, “Only accurate rifles are interesting.” That would make this rifle “interesting”

There's nothing interesting about sinking tons of money into a piece of shit that is overshadowed in performance by any cheap bolt action hunting rifle

 

[Sooter76]

I don’t know why “naysayers” come out in droves whenever something interesting comes along.

Yeah, one day SKS’s may become collectors items. They aren’t though. The only reason the prices go up on them is they are too closely related to AR’s.

It’s pretty amazing when you take the slop out of an action, work the barrel up using precision techniques, and solidly bed the action in an ergonomic stock, that it shoots so well.
This just goes to show there is nothing inherently wrong with the design as far as accuracy. The problem instead is punching shit out so fast there is no chance to give the pieces needed the chance to be precise.

As Townsend Whelen once said, “Only accurate rifles are interesting.” That would make this rifle “interesting”

A rifle is more than just its action, it’s the sum total of its parts. It may be accurate and it may be interesting, but it’s not an SKS.

 

[sandwarrior]

Point is, adding the necessary parts and quality, the rifle shoots pretty good.

I would agree, I wouldn’t spend a bunch of money to get one built. It sounds, though, like the author of that article wanted something to do. So, he accurized this SKS and it worked out.

 

[Sooter76]

Point is, adding the necessary parts and quality, the rifle shoots pretty good.

Let’s be honest... Is there really a rifle made since 1898 this can’t be said about?

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Too long ago (pre-'95), and no notes.

I think they were Nosler .30 cal 125gr Ballistic tips, the powder was IMR-4198.

Hornady lists max as 24.6gr IMR-4198 for 123 SST.

Best I can say.

These days I use 110 V-Max in the Savage 10FCM Scout (.308 bore), around 26gr of IMR-4198.

For some reason, I've never been attracted to the AK's when I have the AR-15 platform to play with. I just acquired/built 2 6.5 Grendel uppers.

But I liked the Russky MilSurp ammo availability, and the SKS was much more to my liking. Had several, now just the one, a Yugo.

Greg

 

[sandwarrior]

Let’s be honest... Is there really a rifle made since 1898 this can’t be said about?

There were rifles long before 1898 this can be said about.

Greg,
I know what you are saying. I much prefer the AR platform. I’m just saying don’t dismiss the capability of a system we all have seen built as a utilitarian weapon. Put precision into the mix and it becomes an accurate weapon.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Yes. The 10rd stripper for the SKS(/AK, too) eases the quandary between AK and SKS.

By allowing a quick mag recharge, the SKS gains utility.

But I also think it's got the capacity to be the more accurate x39 platform.

Somewhere, I have a gas cylinder Scout mount for the SKS; not so sure it would fit on the Yugo.

I'd love an SKS that shoots the 6.5 Grendel Bernaul steel case stuff.

But..., I already have a 500rd case of the stuff and 20" and 24" AR Uppers. AR Stoner, so I'm not putting it though a high dollar barrel.

CCCP Candy store stuff!

Honestly, I'll likely be shooting US factory stuff for the most part. American Eagle 90gr TNT Varmint/Predator/Hornady 123gr SST (And handloads with the same bullets).

Greg

 

[Sooter76]

There were rifles long before 1898 this can be said about.

It was an arbitrary year...

 

[Temper]

I can't be the only one that would love to have that for 500 bucks. Would be even better in 6 or 6.5 Grendel.

 

[sandwarrior]

It was an arbitrary year...

I thought you were referring to what is a firearm vs antique.

 

[kraigWY]

If that is a SkS then this gets to be a M-24

 

[sandwarrior]

If that is a SkS then this gets to be a M-24

So,... How does it shoot??

 

[kraigWY]

You stick it in a V-device, its as close to a one holler ad you can find.

 

[sandwarrior]

You stick it in a V-device, its as close to a one holler ad you can find.

That kind of shooting isn’t the most popular on this site. But, I fnd that kind of shooting EXTREMELY INTERESTING!?

 

[Scotts556]

Lets make a rifle do something it wasn't designed to do in the first place.

Scott

 

[kraigWY]

That kind of shooting isn’t the most popular on this site. But, I fnd that kind of shooting EXTREMELY INTERESTING!​

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Maybe: Its a Mann Device, the Army uses them for testing ammo. But they can be vintage.

 

[YF12A]

Reminds me of a guy I saw at a range in MD many years ago who turned a, I think, 98 action into a single shot .45 acp bolt gun. Sounded very different too.

As always, to each their own favor.

 

[sandwarrior]

Reminds me of a guy I saw at a range in MD many years ago who turned a, I think, 98 action into a single shot .45 acp bolt gun. Sounded very different too.

As always, to each their own favor.

They turned a Lee-Enfield into .45 ACP in WWII and it was used as a suppressed rifle very effectively for a long time.

There’s a lot of weird shit that comes out that might not seem like it has a purpose. This is just finding a new purpose for an old weapon. Dress it back up like an SKS and you have a very indistinct “killer”.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

They turned a Lee-Enfield into .45 ACP in WWII and it was used as a suppressed rifle very effectively for a long time.

DeLisle carbines are still in many active units weapons lockers...

Cheers, Sirhr

 

[sandwarrior]

DeLisle carbines are still in many active units weapons lockers...

Cheers, Sirhr

I guess my issue with people blasting things out of the norm is that something like this could turn out to be a very effective weapon. But, "out of the norm" things on this site get blasted no matter what. Much like the .300 JDJ (Blackout)). The first response was "WITH" would anybody want to reduce the effectivity of an AR platform to subsonic?!?!? Then it comes out immediately after, the reason is to better suppress the noise the bullet makes. SUPER effective weapon. Suddenly, everybody loves it. So much so, they think it will do everything. Even to the point of replacing all high velocity cartridges (NOT!). But, not before the haters had their say.

In this particular case, the SKS dressed back up that way could turn into an effective sniper rifle. An ordinary squad holding SKS's may actually be a sniper team. No one may pay them the attention that countering them needs.

As a civilian rifle, I'd take an accurate rifle any day over a blaster. Probably why I've never owned either an SKS or AK type rifle, even though I've seen the newer ones show very good accuracy. I still have the mentality that they aren't.

 

[buffalowinter]

The bipod is an Anschutz bipod, or a copy thereof, used in target shooting. It is only used to keep the rifle off the ground when not shooting to prevent wear and tear on the finish. It was not made to shoot off of.

 

[Scotts556]

The bipod is an Anschutz bipod, or a copy thereof, used in target shooting. It is only used to keep the rifle off the ground when not shooting to prevent wear and tear on the finish. It was not made to shoot off of.
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And to keep your sights off the ground mainly. Iron sights on some rifles are rather tempermental and dont take kindly to getting knocked around much

scott

 

[sandwarrior]

And to keep your sights off the ground mainly. Iron sights on some rifles are rather tempermental and dont take kindly to getting knocked around much

scott

You’d think they would be the tough ones, but looking at the fine adjustments on them, I could see where they were a bit more delicate. That said, I haven’t made any rounds with them in competition.

 

[Scotts556]

You’d think they would be the tough ones, but looking at the fine adjustments on them, I could see where they were a bit more delicate. That said, I haven’t made any rounds with them in competition.

Im also talking peep sights. those things you can rotate them like a scope so they are plumb with gravity. that adjustments are super fine, they are made for their purpose, not to bang around on a 3 guns course.

 

[Dirtrider389]

I'm new to the forum, so maybe it's my lack of knowledge. But is there no value in "to each his own"?

 

[sandwarrior]

I'm new to the forum, so maybe it's my lack of knowledge. But is there no value in "to each his own"?

There is a value to that, which under normal circumstances, will hopefully never be lost. However, in this case we are discussing, as Scott556 pointed out, the difference in not only battle rifles, but differences in levels of competition rifles. To see this, you’ve got to get behind “battle rifle” sights and see what you can do with them vs. various competition sights which range from “you can tighten up a group” to “if you can see through it and hold it still... you will at least hit tens.”

Such variations have always existed as the various forms of competition mandate how precise the sights need to be. Typically, the more precise, the more the sights can be skewed by outside factors, i.e. getting bumped.

 

[Ledzep]

Would be cooler if he'd re-work the gas system to make it semi-auto.

Cool little project. It is still an SKS-- I don't see how modifying the barrel and stock changes that-- just like Kraig's picture is still an early production M700. And sporterized M1 Garands-- hideous though they are-- are still M1 Garands... For certain, I'd rather see someone goof off with an SKS than an M1 Garand, Gewher 43, SVT 40, or FN49....

 

[Greg Langelius *]

After some PM'd response and serious thinking, I have concluded that in the matter of shooting Bernaul 100gr Bimetallic through the new barrels, I must be crazy.

The Bernaul stuff goes the the back of the shelf as Ragnarok fodder.

Matter closed.

Greg

 

[3-0-hate]

"And for his next trick, hes going to make a Yugo run 9's, with only bolt on mods!"

 

[YF12A]

"And for his next trick, hes going to make a Yugo run 9's, with only bolt on mods!"

I assume, at my own risk, that some mods will be done to the tow truck the Yugo is attached to as well?

 

[3-0-hate]

I assume, at my own risk, that some mods will be done to the tow truck the Yugo is attached to as well?

I think the tow vehicle is the number 1 bolt-on mod in this situation.

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

First, I wanted to address the "bipod" again.. its a rest more than a bipod. As said a few times before, it ain't made for shooting off of. For those still thinking/commenting on it having a shitty bipod.

@kraigWY - regards your Mann Device R700, its in 5.56 correct? Or is it 7.62?? Can't remember.. Anywho, certainly you've shot the rifle as shown, without a Mann V-block device? Have you given thought on snatching up a stock/chassis which will accommodate the Mann barrel "rings"(or whatever the proper term is)??

As far as it "not being a SKS" - personally I ain't gotta opinion one way or t'other.. but FWIW, from what I seen't, the Brits use manually operated, non-functioning gas system, AR15's in their (British) NRA Service Rifle competitions. Obviously with(I would assume!?!?!?) the addition of free-floated match grade barrels, thermo-fitted/loctited barrel extensiond, trued receiver-faced receivers, etc AR's in Service Rifle. I may a got some a my spelling mixed up and woreded wrong as I had more than a few drinks tonights, but hopefully yall get my drift. Them Brits still consider those manually operated "AR15's",.... AR-15's.
Once agains, as i said before, I ain't got a opinion one way or t'other... just ffodder for thought!!