With artificial intelligence alone, I was getting eight or 10 second throws with 24 greens of accurate 2015. I knew it could do better than that, and I saw periods in the cycle where the machine was not at risk of overthrow, but still was taking too long, for example, between pulses. So I went in and shortened some of the stabilization times, and reduce the interval between the pulses and made the pulses smaller. That really sped up the cycle for each charge and did not appear to have an effect on overthrows. In fact, I’m getting very very few overthrows. My assumption would be that the AI is conservative and tries to get you to a good balance of speed and accuracy without pushing the limits and taking too long to get you a starting point. Also, it may vary depending upon powders.
Thank you for the detailed response. My use case will be 6.5x47-338LM sized cases (for now), so knowing how to tweak the manual settings to shave off a few seconds here and there will be nice as I'll have larger charge weights to deal with.
I'd argue that with some software changes ( ability to save charges and profiles), and the reintroduction of the rear leveling foot, the ATV4 would still be a solid option at its price point.
My ST makes me realize just what a primitive POS my AT was. Just look at the user interfaces and outputs and touch screen controls of the ST - the AT has NONE of that functionality except some sliders on YOUR PHONE. The ST allows you to adjust a dozen parameters down to the MILLISECOND; it times each drop; shows you what the the machine is doing in real time and makes a data log. There is no comparison. The AT4 is a toy compared to the ST.
Adam removed a 1/4 - 20 threaded hole om the bottom of the ATV to save production cost. I don't think he is dropping his price anytime soon.
Basically if you are CDO (alphabetical like it should be) this is the powder dispenser you need , it’s the shit - especially if you sold all your AT V3 stuff and were totally fucked over by the special Olympics quality of the AT V4 , on saying that there will be a V4 and an IT trickler (all discs) + scale up for sale shortly (ver 4.5) it’s mind blowing the versatility of the ST , everything from titegroup to RL50
I was also concerned. No reason to worry . I lift it up lean it back then open it over a cool whip container. While open and tilted back I rotate the large tube a few times by hand . This has worked for me.
This issue has been much discussed and in my opinion much over blown. Everybody should just relax about emptying the powder. It’s not difficult. There are no problems. There are no spills. It works beautifully. Next subject
Go into the settings and then turn off the laser cap sensor, which is a beta function that has not yet been perfected. If you can’t figure it out, I can tell you when I get home the sequence you have to go through the menu.
I’m excited for this video. I’ve just used the ai so far and haven’t ventured on tuning it any way.
These are my settings after AI settled down.
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I didn't like the AT because I thought it was "gimmicky". TBH, the ST does not beat the AT on speed for something like varget if you get it and set them both up out of the gates (using AI with the ST) and just roll with it. By that I mean, if you're not a tinkerer and just want to plug in and play/load. However, what I like about the ST is that if I spend the time with it like in the video, I can smoke the AT and then save that setting and then go about life happily. Very happily.
It will save changes to that profile. You would need to make a new profile if you wanted to save two different ones.
I've dropped over 1000 charges in the last 5 days and haven't loaded a single shell, I'm just having fun playing with my "new toy" as my kids call it LOLThe thing about all these things is once the "lightbulb" finally goes off, in so far as how to tune them, that's when you can start to really shave some time off. For me, it took getting my head around the "spillover" that occurs.
They all work on the same premise, whether it's a spinning tube or a vibrating tube, that when you change a parameter in order to "hit the brakes", there's still some residual flow or "spillover" that happens (which varies, depending on the powder type/size).
Once that clicks, and you start to account for that "spillover" after "hitting the brakes", you can start to really play with the parameters to really get great results and shave seconds off a drop time.
I'm using an RCBS MatchMaster, but have been watching this thread because I do believe the ST is the state of the art and will be buying one if my MM doesn't work out for me. But, since wrapping my head around the "spillover" that occurs after "hitting the brakes", I've got my MM dropping in under 10 seconds and may not need one. (FYI, with the LEO/Mil discount a MM costs 1/3 or less than an ST.)
I mean, Austin Buschman won the world championships and got second in the PRS finale with ammo loaded on a lowly ChargeMaster with its crappy 0.1gn resolution... so there's that. So maybe it's better just to spend more time, you know... actually shooting, than messing with our fancy powder droppers lol.
Some guys can't shoot for shit no matter how many hours they spend at it . Many because they rushed the loading process or have inferior equipment . They are the same guys that say you don't need the fancy gear .The thing about all these things is once the "lightbulb" finally goes off, in so far as how to tune them, that's when you can start to really shave some time off. For me, it took getting my head around the "spillover" that occurs.
They all work on the same premise, whether it's a spinning tube or a vibrating tube, that when you change a parameter in order to "hit the brakes", there's still some residual flow or "spillover" that happens (which varies, depending on the powder type/size).
Once that clicks, and you start to account for that "spillover" after "hitting the brakes", you can start to really play with the parameters to really get great results and shave seconds off a drop time.
I'm using an RCBS MatchMaster, but have been watching this thread because I do believe the ST is the state of the art and will be buying one if my MM doesn't work out for me. But, since wrapping my head around the "spillover" that occurs after "hitting the brakes", I've got my MM dropping in under 10 seconds and may not need one. (FYI/FWIW, with the LEO/Mil discount a MM costs 1/3 or less than an ST. Just saying...)
I mean, Austin Buschman won the world championships and got second in the PRS finale with ammo loaded on a lowly ChargeMaster with its crappy 0.1gn resolution... so there's that. So maybe it's better just to spend more time, you know... actually shooting, than messing with our fancy powder droppers lol.
This isn't what folks like to hear since it means they can't just buy their way onto the podiums.
