Suppressors Suppressor advice

[chopit]

Need some hide advice please. Going to get my first suppressor. It will live between my AIAX Short action and my ar 5.56. Going back and forth between hux 7.62 ti and griffin dual lok 7. I am looking at the griffin hard because of the military discount. It is a very good discount. I will preface this with I don't know shit about suppressors. Never been around them except at a match. I am looking for something that could work on my AI and AR.

 

[joe777]

You'll be giving up suppression by using a flow through on a bolt action

 

[kthomas]

So many ways you could go, and it all depends on what you want to accomplish.

What works great for a bolt gun doesn't necessarily work great on an ar15, and vice-versa.

I was looking for something similar, and I went with an Abel Co Biscuit. It's a great can, and the guys at Abel are awesome. It does a decent job of noise suppression, it performs similarly to my wife's SiCo Omega. Low backpressure, so it works great on ar15's (not gassy). The recoil impulse is awesome. Hard use can, so it can survive most firing schedules you can throw its way on an ar15. HUB so you can use whatever mount of your choice. It's also not too expensive.

The downsides are its heavy for its size (all 17-4 SS), and doesn't suppress large cartridges well. If you are shooting only short action cartridges, it should work great. If you are shooting something like a .300WM from your AI, you may want a bigger volume can.

 

[chopit]

My AI is all short action no mag mostly 6.5cm 308 and 6cm.

 

[kthomas]

My AI is all short action no mag mostly 6.5cm 308 and 6cm.

Abel Co Biscuit may be a good choice.

BISCUIT

A 30 Caliber suppressor that does it all. Excellent sound suppression with limited back-pressure and repeatability you can trust

abelcousa.com

If you want more sound suppression, but are willing to put up with more backpressure, you can go with larger volume cans. Abel Co Theorem (you can use vented end cap for less BP), OCL, TBAC, etc.

 

[ggmanning]

I have a 7.62 and 5.56K Flow. Love them on my gas guns. My last can unlocked is an AB Raptor 10 for one of my bolt guns. Definitely better on those platforms than the Flow in terms of suppression. The Flows are worth it on gas guns to me where I am favoring size, no tuning, cleaner operation over suppression. Wasted on a bolt gun unless you go in knowing it will not suppess as well and are good with that.

 

[chopit]

I guess bottom line is if it does one well it will not be very good at the other. Was hoping I could find a solution to both in one package. The Abel co biscuit looks good but not alot of videos out on it. Dumb question will the suppressor completely elminate ear pro or do most if you still wear it no matter what?

 

[kthomas]

I guess bottom line is if it does one well it will not be very good at the other. Was hoping I could find a solution to both in one package. The Abel co biscuit looks good but not alot of videos out on it. Dumb question will the suppressor completely elminate ear pro or do most if you still wear it no matter what?

There's lots of nuances and trade-offs to suppressors, like anything else.

No suppressor will technically be hearing safe, not with supersonic ammo.

If you want maximum suppression, you will want a large volume can. Think TBAC 338 Ultra or Magnus, DD Enticer-L, Theorem-L and similar. These will be quiet, but will likely be pretty gassy on an AR-15. You can mitigate that somewhat with tunable gas systems.

 

[TheOE800]

You definitely want a TBAC Magnus. Hint hint.

 

[Mr. F]

I guess bottom line is if it does one well it will not be very good at the other. Was hoping I could find a solution to both in one package. The Abel co biscuit looks good but not alot of videos out on it. Dumb question will the suppressor completely elminate ear pro or do most if you still wear it no matter what?

The smart choice here is to get a can that performs great on your AX and well on the AR. Something that lets you switch between a vented end cap for your AR work and a caliber specific or simply a .30 for max suppression on the AI

Look at the Abel Theorem L.

You might also find the vented cap does make the impulse off the bolt gun a bit shallower into the shoulder in my own personal experience shooting a short theorem vented in 6.5cm. And on the AR side cut a bit of the back pressure. You're compromising very little on both ends with the Theorem if you re set on getting a “double duty” can.

pretty light for class and solid suppression per inch.

And also, available with probably minimal to no wait direct from Abel.

 

[JR1200W3]

Fuck the AR. Just buy a bolt action suppressor and make it a Thunderbeast. These guys started titanium precision rifle cans. Abel company came much, much later and seems like they make a good can but their owners are cocky and arrogant. I would rather buy from Zak Smith who helped drive long range shooting as a sport.

 

[Mr. F]

It ain't the hide if personal bias doesn't derail an otherwise pretty legit technical discussion.

@chopit both companies have good manufacturing know how driving their can design / accessories.

However if you're seeking versatility which it seems you are, Theorems have a edge there. I have a bunch of Abel and TBAC and being able to switch from a cal specific end cap to a vented 30 for gas gun use is valuable.

Id reach out to @hic28 for more detailed info on the options and availability of theorems and bisquits. He's not the owner but is real close with Abel.

 

[chopit]

TBAC is always out of stock. How does anyone actually get one? I am not trying to be funny or a dick I really never see them in stock at like capitol or silencer shops websites.

 

[TheOE800]

TBAC is always out of stock. How does anyone actually get one? I am not trying to be funny or a dick I really never see them in stock at like capitol or silencer shops websites.

They’re popular. TBAC has a dealer list and will publish who they’ve sent cans to recently. There’s also cans available in the px here on the forum.

 

[LR1845]

Another great, short light weight can is the Otter Creek Hydrogen K.

 

[FuhQ]

Need some hide advice please. Going to get my first suppressor. It will live between my AIAX Short action and my ar 5.56. Going back and forth between hux 7.62 ti and griffin dual lok 7. I am looking at the griffin hard because of the military discount. It is a very good discount. I will preface this with I don't know shit about suppressors. Never been around them except at a match. I am looking for something that could work on my AI and AR.

Otter Creek Labs Hydrogen-S or TBAC Magnus-S HUB.

Whatever direction you go, get HUB (1.375x24) mounting, so you can use any universal mounting systems.

 

[FuhQ]

TBAC is always out of stock. How does anyone actually get one? I am not trying to be funny or a dick I really never see them in stock at like capitol or silencer shops websites.

Get on the list, and when they send you an email saying that your can is built and they are ready for you to pay, you pay, they ship it to your dealer. Simple. Contact @Zak Smith or @TBACRAY and they’ll get you in touch with Blake in sales at TBAC.

 

[LR1845]

Whatever direction you go, get HUB (1.375x24) mounting, so you can use any universal mounting systems.

This right here^^^love the hub mount makes life easy.

 

[chopit]

So I am going to go with Abel company theorem. I called them today and was really impressed with what they said. They stayed on the phone for 57 minutes ( I looked at call time on my phone) answering all my dumbass questions and explaining things to me. Emailed me videos and pictures of their products also results from tbac summit testing. I can change the end cap from closed to vented and run on my ar till I can get another can dedicated to just my ar. I will share my results when I have the suppressor in hand. Thank you for your opinions and advice.

 

[Huskydriver]

So I am going to go with Abel company theorem. I called them today and was really impressed with what they said. They stayed on the phone for 57 minutes ( I looked at call time on my phone) answering all my dumbass questions and explaining things to me. Emailed me videos and pictures of their products also results from tbac summit testing. I can change the end cap from closed to vented and run on my ar till I can get another can dedicated to just my ar. I will share my results when I have the suppressor in hand. Thank you for your opinions and advice.

Great choice

 

[mark82]

ooof. This is pretty incompatable requirements. As some have noted, very few cans will optimize on both type guns, so you will be fairly sub-optimal on one or the other.

I divide mine into battle rifles and precision rifles., and you can get pretty darn optimal in those catagories.

Flow through cans are a bandaid fix to a rifle that isnt designed for suppressors. You will be paying for less performance because you dont want to optimize the rifle. Seems like a poor choice to me.

One can that I have used that seems to handle both rifles pretty well is the Dead Air Nomad. Keeping in mind that mag dumps and high heat shooting with a battle rifle/AR is not good for longevity of Ti cans.

 

[flatland1]

In the relatively short time that I've been shooting suppressed, there have been so many new companies come into the market that I can't keep up. I bought an AAC SCAR-H in 2008, didn't get the stamp for it until 2009, and then was so disappointed with variable POI every single time I'd take it off & put it back on. I mentioned having it to a local SOT/Class III dealer who had a SCAR 17 & was looking for one, and he offered to trade me a new SF SOCOM 762RC for it. I took him up on the deal, and was never so glad to get rid of a can. The SOCOM isn't all that great, but it beats the snot out of the AAC.

After that, I started buying TBAC 30 cal 9" cans - 30BA & 30CB9, both of which I've sent back to TBAC for the Ultra baffle stack upgrade. My favorite cans for bolt rifles are a Gen 1 Ultra 7 30 cal & Gen 2 Ultra 7 with 6.5 aperture. I've built myself several custom rifles based on the Howa Mini action, and since they're all chambered for relatively small case capacity rounds, I got a TBAC Gen 2 Ultra 5 for use on these rifles. Since all five of these use TBAC's CB mounts, I haven't been all that crazy about going with a HUB mount, but then again, I'm so pleased with the TBAC cans that I haven't looked into any of what all the newer companies are offering for bolt rifles.

I was relatively disappointed with the SF SOCOM & 9" TBAC cans on any of the AR10 gas guns I tried them on, simply because of how filthy the fired cases were & how dirty the rifles got with the excess back pressure. Until I bought a Gen 1 OSS HX-QD 556 that was on sale for $625, I hadn't tried any of the flow-type cans, but on my 18" SPR AR15, it's spoiled me. I wouldn't consider buying a non-flow design for any of my gas guns now, but there are so many newer ones out there that I haven't bought a 30 cal flow design because I haven't put in the time researching features, nor spoken with other shooters who've got a decent amount of experience with any of them. The old OSS 556 can is pretty heavy compared to any of my TBAC cans, but accuracy with it is good, so all I'm really looking at is a 30 cal flow design for my custom AR10s in 6XC, 6.5x47, 6.5CM, & 7-08 Improved 30*.

 

[MarinePMI]

Fuck the AR. Just buy a bolt action suppressor and make it a Thunderbeast. These guys started titanium precision rifle cans. Abel company came much, much later and seems like they make a good can but their owners are cocky and arrogant. I would rather buy from Zak Smith who helped drive long range shooting as a sport.

I'm thinking you don't know the owners at all. You may want to tread carefully about things you don't know, especially on a public forum.

Consider this a warning.

 

[NoLegs24]

Fuck the AR. Just buy a bolt action suppressor and make it a Thunderbeast. These guys started titanium precision rifle cans. Abel company came much, much later and seems like they make a good can but their owners are cocky and arrogant. I would rather buy from Zak Smith who helped drive long range shooting as a sport.

 

[Clayman]

CAT odb

Will do well with both.

Edit nvm op already made a choice.