Suppressors on Muzzleloaders?

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Are these a thing? I know it would be a PITA, but with a QD can it could be doable.

I just picked up a CVA paramount htr .45 and put a brake on it. Got me thinking about something like a Hybrid 46.

 

[Jrb572]

Not sure if it’s real. Says no tax stamp

https://silencerco.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/wp-maxim50.pdf

 

[Hecouldgoalltheway]

Imagine how badass Washington would have looked crossing the Delaware with a tbac 9 on that musket.

 

[kthomas]

Not sure if it’s real. Says no tax stamp

https://silencerco.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/wp-maxim50.pdf

It's real.

 

[kthomas]

 

[themightytimmah]

Not sure if it’s real. Says no tax stamp

https://silencerco.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/wp-maxim50.pdf

It is, but the caveat is that the can is welded to it. Bet it’s a bitch to clean!

 

[Hecouldgoalltheway]

How effective is the suppressor on a muzzleloader?

 

[FuhQ]

Not sure if it’s real. Says no tax stamp

https://silencerco.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/wp-maxim50.pdf

It's real, and it's been around a LONG time. And since it's not a centerfire "rifle" it doesn't require a stamp, and because it's not a "rifle" the suppressor is considered a "moderator" and not classified under the NFA for regulation.

 

[Salinas]

Personally, I think silencers on a M/L rifle should NOT be considered, much less USED! Muzzleloader and Black Powder shooting and hunting has already been desecrated by the allowance of "MODERN" inline rifles! Some things should be left to the PURITY of the SPORT! Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett, as well as all our forefathers along with them NEVER had "Supressors" and "Inline rifles"!!! ......Just MY 2 cents!!!

 

[FuhQ]

How effective is the suppressor on a muzzleloader?

 

[FuhQ]

Personally, I think silencers on a M/L rifle should NOT be considered, much less USED! Muzzleloader and Black Powder shooting and hunting has already been desecrated by the allowance of "MODERN" inline rifles! Some things should be left to the PURITY of the SPORT! Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett, as well as all our forefathers along with them NEVER had "Supressors" and "Inline rifles"!!! ......Just MY 2 cents!!!

 

[Modoc]

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Funny, I agree with both of you

 

[Hecouldgoalltheway]

It is, but the caveat is that the can is welded to it. Bet it’s a bitch to clean!

Not bad, not bad at all..

 

[Jeff Gahler]

Personally, I think silencers on a M/L rifle should NOT be considered, much less USED! Muzzleloader and Black Powder shooting and hunting has already been desecrated by the allowance of "MODERN" inline rifles! Some things should be left to the PURITY of the SPORT! Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett, as well as all our forefathers along with them NEVER had "Supressors" and "Inline rifles"!!! ......Just MY 2 cents!!!

Would you agree we should be able to night hunt And use spot lights during primitive season ?

 

[Shifty6BR]

Very interesting...I had no idea that they werent regulated in regards to muzzle loaders..sounds similiar to "moderators" on air rifles.

Learning is fun.

 

[SDet]

They not "moderators" they're still silencers. It's the fact that they're permanently attached to non firearms (depending on the state) that keeps them off the nfa. Some states classify muzzle loaders as firearms and the maxim 50 was not sold there.

The same rules apply for non movable guns. They're not firearms. Kiln guns come to mind, I think these are typically suppressed without nfa paperwork.

 

[mi650]

Not sure if it’s real. Says no tax stamp

https://silencerco.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/wp-maxim50.pdf

It's real, I have one. I bought it 6-7 years ago when they were on sale, and it was shipped t me at work. I use a 90 grain load of Blackhorn, accurate enough for my purposes but not all that quiet.

I had a bunch of pics of an injured doe, coyote almost got her or maybe she got snagged on a barbed wire fence, idk. But I saw the pics a few days later and put her down.

 

[mi650]

Personally, I think silencers on a M/L rifle should NOT be considered, much less USED! Muzzleloader and Black Powder shooting and hunting has already been desecrated by the allowance of "MODERN" inline rifles! Some things should be left to the PURITY of the SPORT! Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett, as well as all our forefathers along with them NEVER had "Supressors" and "Inline rifles"!!! ......Just MY 2 cents!!!

Right, because Daniel Boone and Davey Crockett would have never used them if they were around 200 years ago.

 

[Potsy]

I find it hilarious that we’ve worked so hard for the last 50 years to fug up and/or over complicate the muzzleloader and its componentry.

For me, it’s not even matter of ethics on primitive hunts, I just can’t see the advantage to most of this shit as it applies in the field. Yes, it’s “modern”, but no one is asking “is it better?”.

Outside (and this is arguable) of Smokeless Powder (not BP substitutes)and ease of mounting optics, muzzleloader technology (as it applies to hunting) peaked around 1840 on to the cartridge era. There are those who would even argue that the late flints were even better (and not just out of nostalgia). Remember, I’m talking about hunting and not a YouTube marketing video filmed off a bench.

I do hunt with an old BK92, just because it was easy to mount a scope on, and even it wastes length and is a far bigger PITA to load and clean than an old sidelock.

Rant off. Flame away…..

 

[roostercogburn98]

I wasn’t aware AI made muzzleloaders. Can you shoot anything not made by them?

 

[FuhQ]

They not "moderators" they're still silencers. It's the fact that they're permanently attached to non firearms (depending on the state) that keeps them off the nfa. Some states classify muzzle loaders as firearms and the maxim 50 was not sold there.

The same rules apply for non movable guns. They're not firearms. Kiln guns come to mind, I think these are typically suppressed without nfa paperwork.

If it’s because they’re “permanently attached to non-firearms” that makes them exempt, then why are Air gun moderators exempt? Those can be removed and replaced and bought without registration…

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Big fucking deal. Virtually no one hunts muzzle loader season, its rarely durring the rut and in places like here on east coast. You could kill 100 deer a year (which you can do if you hunt every season/method/ect, there is no limit on does) and still not put a dent. They are a pest, a delicious pest that farmers are happy you are killing so they don't fuck up their crops or their new King Ranch.

Most of the people bitching don't even hunt, much less Muzzle loader season.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Right, because Daniel Boone and Davey Crockett would have never used them if they were around 200 years ago.

Imagine if they had a couple M240s, M203's , m67s and a bunch of M4's at the Alamo. Bet they wouldn't use them because its not sporting.

 

[Potsy]

Opening day of ML is a pretty big deal in TN. You’ll find about as many people in the woods as you will opening of rifle.

I’ve killed the bulk of my deer with a muzzleloader.

Have a buddy with a stupid accurate smokeless muzzleloader (Hankins?). He whacked a doe last year close to 300 yards. It’s pretty cool, but it’s a specialized tool. And he hunts out of a barn loft with a bench overlooking an open field. He drives right up to the barn. He’d love to have a .50 can on the end of it, but doesn’t want to spring for one.

I get a chuckle out of the Boone and Crockett analogies. Granted, a mini gun at the Alamo would’ve been handy, but stuff that misfired, required specialized tools, and wasn’t dead nuts reliable wound up in a ditch or traded off to the Indians. Every day was a life or death pack hunt for those guys and I sorta doubt a 1lb beer can on the end of the barrel (that complicated withdrawing the ramrod from under the barrel) would’ve been a real high priority.

Very few today hunt the way they did. Admittedly, I don’t.

 

[Salinas]

It's real, I have one. I bought it 6-7 years ago when they were on sale, and it was shipped t me at work. I use a 90 grain load of Blackhorn, accurate enough for my purposes but not all that quiet.

I had a bunch of pics of an injured doe, coyote almost got her or maybe she got snagged on a barbed wire fence, idk. But I saw the pics a few days later and put her down.

That’s a pretty neat setup.. Well I guess I was wrong.

 

[Jeff Gahler]

delicious pest

Most of the people bitching don't even hunt

No. They’re probably those bow Hunter “sportsman” that are all about fair chase blah blah blah.

When really we should be using armed drones to eliminate the over populated disease carrying property destroying injury and death causing long legged rats

 

[264win]

Are these a thing? I know it would be a PITA, but with a QD can it could be doable.

I just picked up a CVA paramount htr .45 and put a brake on it. Got me thinking about something like a Hybrid 46.

Yep, real and pretty cool. Maybe not overly practical though.
Yes cleaning is a bit of a pain, but loading is more of an issue if you happen to be out hunting and lose the special tube needed to get the powder and bullet past all those baffles and into the barrel…

I wish I had tried more subsonic loads before I sold mine.

 

[SDet]

If it’s because they’re “permanently attached to non-firearms” that makes them exempt, then why are Air gun moderators exempt? Those can be removed and replaced and bought without registration…

Because people like playing games with the atf. Just like "solvent traps".

The ones that are monocores are asking for trouble. The ones full of holes on the outside, are aware what can happen.

It's nonsense, but "not designed for firearms" doesn't protect you from trying to cheat the law.

 

[CamW]

Personally, I think silencers on a M/L rifle should NOT be considered, much less USED! Muzzleloader and Black Powder shooting and hunting has already been desecrated by the allowance of "MODERN" inline rifles! Some things should be left to the PURITY of the SPORT! Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett, as well as all our forefathers along with them NEVER had "Supressors" and "Inline rifles"!!! ......Just MY 2 cents!!!

What about this one?

 

[Maxduty]

Personally, I think silencers on a M/L rifle should NOT be considered, much less USED! Muzzleloader and Black Powder shooting and hunting has already been desecrated by the allowance of "MODERN" inline rifles! Some things should be left to the PURITY of the SPORT! Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett, as well as all our forefathers along with them NEVER had "Supressors" and "Inline rifles"!!! ......Just MY 2 cents!!!

Fuck off. using your reasoning, the early explorers of the US (Lewis and Clark) used air rifles, so that powder gun you use is an abomination too. Go Karen somewhere else.

 

[FuhQ]

What about this one?

NOT California legal...

 

[FuhQ]

the early explorers of the US (Lewis and Clark) used air rifles

This is absolutely true. It was called the Girardoni Air Rifle and they were built in the late 1700's, and it's one of the coolest air rifles you'll ever see. The early inventors were geniuses. Ian from Forgotten Weapons made a video about it years ago. It's worth the watch.

 

[JM4590]

I have shot BP cartridge rifles for years. 45-90 and 40-65. The only thing that comes close to being as filthy is .22 LR. Think about how often a .22 LR suppressor needs cleaned, and then equate that to BP. At least .22LR is not drawing rust. Trying to keep a suppressor on the end of a BP anything would be a freakin nightmare!

 

[hlee]

Deersniper has entered the chat…

 

[Dawhit]

A few guys run them on smokeless mz’s.