Suspended for 1 year for playing with a toy gun at home...

[JaysonF]

Suspended for playing with guns in their own yard...
Does anyone else think that they're trying to make gun rights the equivalent as smoking? I mean, over 20-30 years of indoctrination in schools, and it seems like it will be worse than ever before...
What avenues would a parent have to appeal the decision? Would there be any grounds to sue because of the damages of a child being out of school for a year? It seems like this is the way things are leaning and more than ever, I want to move to the middle of nowhere. Is it even responsible for me to bring a kid into this world? I guess i'm just really disappointed with how hyper-sensitive people are becoming.
To the law enforcement guys if you're reading: would the person who called have grounds for being charged with abuse of 911? How would you handle this call?

7th-graders suspended for playing with airsoft gun in own yard | Fox News

 

[milo 2.0]

Kinda seems there's a lot left out of story, bystander runs and still gets drilled? I'm not LE, but to me it should be more law, or civil than school involvement.
Somehow I don't think the little 7th graders are totally innocent of all wrongdoing.

 

[Toast]

No question the media is attacking gun ownership as synonymous with being a fanatic, politically incorrect at the very least.

 

[Victor N TN]

I'm afraid our country is slipping over the edge.

 

[longrangefool]

Wow. Thats bullshit right there.

 

[--BLACKOUT--]

The schools zero tolerance extends to private property? How the fuck does that happen? what else will the school get in their favor that shouldn't be...

 

[Switchblade]

The school is looking at punishing the kid for "possession, handling and use of a firearm", when in fact NO FIREARMS WERE USED. IGNORANCE on the part of the school to use factual evidence.

"The school's so-called "zero-tolerance" policy on guns extends to private property, according to the report." Really? Seriously? Again, school shows it's IGNORANCE by declaring private property part of their jurisdiction.

Khalid told WAVY-TV he thinks the punishment is unfair and may hurt his chances of getting into a good college after graduating from high school.
"It's on your school record. The school said I had possession of a firearm. They aren't going to ask me any questions. They are going to think it was a real gun, and I was trying to hurt someone," he said.

In this case, the student is showing INTELLIGENCE, about the situation. They were boys, having fun, playing with toy guns before school, no big deal.

If I were the parent, I would be seeking legal assistance and filing a hugely gross amount civil suit upon the individuals in the school pursuing this, on an individual basis, as well as one on the district for allowing it, and also the Superintendent for not insuring his people were doing the right thing, which they are not.

 

[McCrazy]

The school is looking at punishing the kid for "possession, handling and use of a firearm", when in fact NO FIREARMS WERE USED. IGNORANCE on the part of the school to use factual evidence.

"The school's so-called "zero-tolerance" policy on guns extends to private property, according to the report." Really? Seriously? Again, school shows it's IGNORANCE by declaring private property part of their jurisdiction.

Khalid told WAVY-TV he thinks the punishment is unfair and may hurt his chances of getting into a good college after graduating from high school.
"It's on your school record. The school said I had possession of a firearm. They aren't going to ask me any questions. They are going to think it was a real gun, and I was trying to hurt someone," he said.

In this case, the student is showing INTELLIGENCE, about the situation. They were boys, having fun, playing with toy guns before school, no big deal.

If I were the parent, I would be seeking legal assistance and filing a hugely gross amount civil suit upon the individuals in the school pursuing this, on an individual basis, as well as one on the district for allowing it, and also the Superintendent for not insuring his people were doing the right thing, which they are not.

I completely agree with Switchblade. The only way it seems that this will end is if you start hurting these schools where it hurts them the worst: their budgets.

There is no doubt an all-out war on guns and the culture that associates with them is being waged in our schools right now. Politicians aren't getting anti-gun laws passed quick enough so the next best thing is for the liberals who dominate the education system to simply convince every kid that guns are evil and if you touch them or think about them you will be punished. Within a generation most people will be terrified of guns and then banning them from the few who appreciate them will be much simpler.

Fight back! Take these manipulators to court and rake them over the coals of Justice (while they are still at least luke-warm).

 

[softcock]

As said by others,
If you want to make direction of fundamental change in America . Remove your children out of the public school system .
.

 

[Unknown]

I would be very interested to learn how the school system figures they have control of the students behavior that does NOT occur on school grounds. They may be overstepping their statutory authority.

I also agree that the most effective way to get them to change behavior or policies is by hitting them in the pocket book. If they loose a few lawsuits, they may reconsider. However, lawsuits are usually paid for out of the budget money that comes from tax dollars. There seems to be little point in beginning a lawsuit that the district tax payers end up paying for. It is when you hit the principle, and other involved school board members in their PERSONAL wallet that they really begin to pay attention. A good attorney would know who to sue, and who has the deep pockets. If you can show that the behavior is NOT the result of something required by thier jobs (like outside their statutory authority), then the district may tell them that they have to defend them selves out of their own pocket.

 

[EddieNFL]

Kinda seems there's a lot left out of story, bystander runs and still gets drilled? I'm not LE, but to me it should be more law, or civil than school involvement.
Somehow I don't think the little 7th graders are totally innocent of all wrongdoing.

I can't believe they're not in jail or, at the very least in a juvenile detention center. No place for such horrendous violence in society.

DISCLAIMER: Above remarks are sarcasm.

 

[xdpatriot]

I'd get a lawyer in attemp to get it off of my child's record and the suspension reversed. Once that happened, I'd tell the school to suck a dick and my kids would be homeschooled from then on.

 

[long range newbie]

I had a kid do a fake punch on a kids arm, like a tap punch, and he got suspended for a week. even the kid who got "punched" said he just barely tapped him.

 

[EddieNFL]

I had a kid do a fake punch on a kids arm, like a tap punch, and he got suspended for a week. even the kid who got "punched" said he just barely tapped him.

Another senseless act of violence.

DISCLAIMER: Above remarks are sarcasm.

 

[Supergyro]

This is getting out of hand. How can their jurisdiction extend beyond the school? Unreal...

 

[Name Enough]

If you have more than one rifle you have an arsenal. If you have more than 100 rounds of ammo you have a stock pile of ammunition. If you own a Stoner pattern rifle you are a right wing nut case.
The press makes the perception of the public thru their defining of guns and gun owners as nut cases. We as gun owners complain but do little about it. Join the NRA if you are not a member. We need to sponsor the lawsuits that have been mentioned above. The NRA does such. There may be more to the story than was reported but since if has resulted in a lot of publicity perhaps a pro gun lobbing group will get involved.

 

[long range newbie]

? it was like a friendly punch. They were friends, it wasn't just a random punching of a kid, it was like a tap. So I don't get what you mean by senseless act of violence? It was more of a tap than a punch, it was one of those teachers that get ppl in trouble for no reason, (he also didn't like that kid)

 

[mallrat]

Too close to D.C. and New England.. Our high school still has a trap team.

 

[mallrat]

? it was like a friendly punch. They were friends, it wasn't just a random punching of a kid, it was like a tap. So I don't get what you mean by senseless act of violence? It was more of a tap than a punch, it was one of those teachers that get ppl in trouble for no reason, (he also didn't like that kid)

It was sarcasm.

 

[long range newbie]

Sometimes I'm a little slow at this stuff I getcha

 

[EddieNFL]

? it was like a friendly punch. They were friends, it wasn't just a random punching of a kid, it was like a tap. So I don't get what you mean by senseless act of violence? It was more of a tap than a punch, it was one of those teachers that get ppl in trouble for no reason, (he also didn't like that kid)

Edited both posts to include sarcasm disclaimers.

I commend you for asking for clarification rather than spinning off in an absurd name calling rant (that is not sarcasm).

 

[ArmyJerry]

Switchblade, I used to agree with you that these people are just unknowing and ignorant, in fact they are very knowing and use this as a tactic to move the bar of defense by freedom loving people who will then waste time trying to explain their rights to these strident anti freedom types. Its best just to sue them personally, sue the school board at every turn, clearly this is a violation of this kids basic and fundamental rights, and the school bringing these insane charges will make this part of his record. Time to sue the principal, the person that reported him and the school administrators personally as well as the school board, make them all pay at every turn. This is a tactic is used by Trotskyites since early in the last century, going back to prohibition and other movements since then, just take a look at Holders Youtube with his anti smoking rant from the 70's or 80's, he clearly lines this tactic out. For the sake of political neutrality, both parties (mafias) do this, Nancy Reagan "just say no" campaign comes to mind.

Another one under way is the anti bullying campaign, hell, no more dodge ball, no more tag, no more playing cowboys and indians, no more playing war or Army , its the sheepification of our country at full speed. It comes down to the government acting is ways that are not in the constitution, and governments acting as a father in fatherless households (mostly but not always).

 

[*Bones*]

Yup. That is right here in my backyard. Hell we legally cant shot any airsoft of even a bow over a specified FPS which if I recall is 300 or 150 hell stuff changes so fast its crazy. Anything that shoots over the specific amount is considered discharging a firearm. I do feel that is over the top however they did leave out in the national news that they were also shooting kids at the bus stop or going to the bus stop. Not leaning either way however facts get changed and obscured often. Local news was funny. The reporter from Wavy here held out his hand and had the kid shoot it. Jack a$$. It was a little funny when he complained of the pain. Our laws here in the communist wealth overlap and are unclear in several areas as I am sure they are in most but for them to be given the boot for if it was only in their front yard and didnt include any other children that morning on the way to school yes is bad. We also have the crazy thing he that is almost like reckless intent that came into play with the rulling. Its all over my head however I am sure one of our local glory hound Lawyer firms will get involved to have their name in the headlines.

 

[apricot]

insane completely a school can control our kids on private property... where are our civil liberties?????????

 

[Brian]

Pussified America
Coming to a town near you...If it hasn't already.........

 

[Switchblade]

Switchblade, I used to agree with you that these people are just unknowing and ignorant, in fact they are very knowing and use this as a tactic to move the bar of defense by freedom loving people who will then waste time trying to explain their rights to these strident anti freedom types. Its best just to sue them personally, sue the school board at every turn, clearly this is a violation of this kids basic and fundamental rights, and the school bringing these insane charges will make this part of his record. Time to sue the principal, the person that reported him and the school administrators personally as well as the school board, make them all pay at every turn. This is a tactic is used by Trotskyites since early in the last century, going back to prohibition and other movements since then, just take a look at Holders Youtube with his anti smoking rant from the 70's or 80's, he clearly lines this tactic out. For the sake of political neutrality, both parties (mafias) do this, Nancy Reagan "just say no" campaign comes to mind.

Another one under way is the anti bullying campaign, hell, no more dodge ball, no more tag, no more playing cowboys and indians, no more playing war or Army , its the sheepification of our country at full speed. It comes down to the government acting is ways that are not in the constitution, and governments acting as a father in fatherless households (mostly but not always).

Fortunately here, that type of ignorance does not persist. In Nashville, however, there are a few transplants in the education system that ARE ignorant of anything to do with guns or toy guns. The threat to all the individuals involved is a law suit, as you say, typical of the socialist way of doing business. I must say, as a business minded individual, this is a good idea, and quite effective. Any good attorney would welcome a chance at something like this. The individual who reported it making a false statement, the school individuals for making false claims and suspensions based on false claims are all the problem here. If these people KNOW they are not doing the right thing, then they should be held accountable for their.

 

[ArmyJerry]

I personally despise lawyers and suing anyone for anything but the most extreme damages but I have concluded this needs to start happening or we will be kowtowed into giving up our rights or worse. I am from NJ originally and watched these people do the same there, I will never go back to my home state, its a police state, sad. Its best just to sue the hell out of everyone and all government bodies involved, its the only way to bring things back in line before its too late.

Fortunately here, that type of ignorance does not persist. In Nashville, however, there are a few transplants in the education system that ARE ignorant of anything to do with guns or toy guns. The threat to all the individuals involved is a law suit, as you say, typical of the socialist way of doing business. I must say, as a business minded individual, this is a good idea, and quite effective. Any good attorney would welcome a chance at something like this. The individual who reported it making a false statement, the school individuals for making false claims and suspensions based on false claims are all the problem here. If these people KNOW they are not doing the right thing, then they should be held accountable for their.

 

[clyde]

Another one under way is the anti bullying campaign, hell, no more dodge ball, no more tag, no more playing cowboys and indians, no more playing war or Army , its the sheepification of our country at full speed. It comes down to the government acting is ways that are not in the constitution, and governments acting as a father in fatherless households (mostly but not always).

And how amused by all of this do you think are our enemies?

 

[long range newbie]

I didn't want to start one of these either so . Sorry about that, I'll try to ask before I talk next time.

 

[ArmyJerry]

I don't have enemies.

And how amused by all of this do you think are our enemies?

 

[redneckbmxer24]

I went to school in yuppieville fairfax county. In 7th grade I wore a hunting T-shirt to school and was pulled from class because a girl thought I had a gun at school because of my shirt. Despite my refusal I was searched and questioned by police without my parents even present. I should have sued the shit out of the school system and police for the way they handled it. A few months later I was flat out expelled from the same school for reading a gun magazine during the first 15 minutes of first period class that we were supposed to be reading. Their justification was that the handbook I signed at the beginning of the year stated I couldn't bring materials like that to school when it said nothing of the sort. This was all 12 years ago so the school systems have been retarded for years.

 

[JaysonF]

Interesting points. I think I would rather move from that state than to spend a fortune to sue a school district where it is very likely that the judiciary will side with the irrational.

 

[JRM83]

By my standards Virginia is a very gun-friendly state. Residents are allowed to own machine guns and suppressors (given a tax stamp of course) and there are no restrictions on magazine capacity or "assault" weapons, and it is a shall-issue state for concealed pistol licenses. Open carry is completely legal and and there are no waiting periods or purchase permits for handguns. The state has no reason to push a liberal anti-gun agenda through the schools. The schools themselves generally put rules in their codes of conduct that prohibit students from bringing/using toy firearms (with good reason). Schools aren't pushing an anti-gun agenda, they are just trying to stay as far away from the issue as they can because the core mission of the school is to provide students with an education in academic areas. There is no time to enroll students in 'Liberal Gun-Hating 101' or 'Guns are Evil, Dangerous, and if You Look At One Everyone You Love Will Die 203' because the schools are too busy trying to meet testing standards in math, science, and english. I have never heard of a teacher going on a liberal rant about how awful guns are, or a building administer holding an assembly to tell students that they should grow up to hate guns. I'm not saying that it might not have happened from time to time, but there are whackjobs looking to push their own agenda in every area of life.

As for the case at hand, only one side of the story is being reported. Here is a statement released by the principal of that school relating the other side:

https://linmedia-cms.endplay.com/do...response/f65e30ee-1e06-49a3-b212-30e18a55b6cb

If you asked me "does the school have the right to discipline students playing with an airsoft gun on private property?" my answer would be "hell no."

That answer changes when those same students are shooting at other students who are at the bus stop (considered school property) while they are waiting for or going to/from their bus (a time when the school is responsible for their safety).

Do the circumstances change enough with that additional information to justify the actions the school took?

What would you do if some asshole was shooting your kid with airsoft pellets as they got off the bus?

 

[EddieNFL]

What would you do if some asshole was shooting your kid with airsoft pellets as they got off the bus?

Let the cops handle it. That's their job, not the job of some bureaucratic nancyboy.

 

[JRM83]

Let the cops handle it. That's their job, not the job of some bureaucratic nancyboy.

The police were involved. The criminal justice system trumps the school system, so why did they choose to let the school system deal with this instead of handling it themselves? In addition, the school may not have had a choice about the consequences they imposed. Most school districts have mandatory expulsion rules regarding weapons and other offenses. If it was determined that the offense that occurred was the responsibility of the school because of where it happened then the principal may not have had a choice except to recommend expulsion.

 

[sqidd]

5-6 years ago I was at a friends house doing a little “bolt on” (carbon fiber accents and so on) work on my friends Aston Martin. The kids (14-16yrs) across the street were shooting airsoft guns at each other but managed to tag us and the car a few times. We told them to cut the shit, they didn’t, we called the cops. No point in having a confrontation with some kids that we couldn’t pound into the ground. Cops show up, kids get pissed, their parents get pissed (at us, how does that work??) we ignore them, cops eventually leave. No more airsoft that day. But a whole bunch of attitude.

Last year the kid that lived across the street OD’d on heroine. Imagine that.

My point?

My point is if these kids were shooting things, other kids, a dog, etc not on their property they need to be crushed with everything that can be brought to bear. No, I don’t think that should be the school system. A quick trip through the juvy system sounds like a good idea though. Maybe a good smackdown when they are young/stupid will save them from going down the wrong path in the future.

 

[EddieNFL]

Most school districts have mandatory expulsion rules regarding weapons and other offenses.

Yes, the article said their "zero tolerance policy on guns extends to private property." Good thing my no one from my son's school ever saw him on the firing range with me.

Just because a group of over educated idiots imposed a policy doesn't mean it's right.

 

[*Bones*]

Check our local news feed. You should be able to find some videos on it that were not watered down or construed. Wavy Tv 10 & WVEC 13 should do. I am pro Constitution and Bill of Rights all the way however the story is getting twisted. Hell I live here and I am seeing it play out.

 

[quickdraw17]

"zero tolerance policy on guns extends to private property."

Absolutely absurd...so if I take my daughter hunting on my farm, she'll get expelled for engaging in a lawful activity? The school system is seriously overstepping its bounds and needs to be reigned in.

 

[ArmaHeavy]

Check our local news feed. You should be able to find some videos on it that were not watered down or construed. Wavy Tv 10 & WVEC 13 should do. I am pro Constitution and Bill of Rights all the way however the story is getting twisted. Hell I live here and I am seeing it play out.

He's right.

Read here for more of the story...

Has zero tolerance gone too far | WAVY.com | Virginia Beach

 

[*Bones*]

He's right.

Read here for more of the story...

Has zero tolerance gone too far | WAVY.com | Virginia Beach

Yup thats it however the part in which the kids were shooting at the other kids at the bus stop is not there. It did say however a 3rd was hit in the back. Possibly it was changed for clarity I dont know? Reaching to far... Its not my decision however if my kids were at the bus stop and another kid or kids were shooting at them from any location something would need to be done however it would be more on the lines of civil action. I would think. I try not to judge not knowing all the facts. I just dont want this to turn into anything to do with the VACDL or the 2nd.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

No, I don’t think that should be the school system. A quick trip through the juvy system sounds like a good idea though. Maybe a good smackdown when they are young/stupid will save them from going down the wrong path in the future.

What they need is a parenting system. Today kids think its cool to be thugs and pieces of crap. I can't tell you how many friends I had that started out by doing something stupid and getting thrown in juvy and all of a sudden thought they were a badass because they came out of there after stealing a candy bar from 7-11. I know plenty of them that turned into career criminals and I'm talking people now in their mid 20's, still very young and have been in and out of jail all their life. They think it's cool and they get more street credit in the eyes of their POS friends the more time they serve. From what I have seen from the correctional system is that it's a failure. People need to be tought morals and to do the right thing, growing up in a household of trash is typically going to breed trash. Yes you'll get a wild child from a great family that gives them everything from time to time but more often than not the pieces of crap of the world don't fall far from the tree.

 

[McCrazy]

If these kids were being punks then by all means they should be punished. Let the kids they shot dump a mag of airsoft into each of them and see how much they like it. Sound fair? Do unto others...

The bigger problem is the school having a blanket policy forbidding firearms at all times. I will not wait until my son graduates high school to introduce him to firearms and teach him about their safe usage and practical applications. Hell, my son wasn't even 2 years old when he fired a magazine through my friend's suppressed P-22 while I held it in my hand. He was upset when it ran dry and I took it away while he said "More, more, more."

 

[sqidd]

What they need is a parenting system. Today kids think its cool to be thugs and pieces of crap. I can't tell you how many friends I had that started out by doing something stupid and getting thrown in juvy and all of a sudden thought they were a badass because they came out of there after stealing a candy bar from 7-11. I know plenty of them that turned into career criminals and I'm talking people now in their mid 20's, still very young and have been in and out of jail all their life. They think it's cool and they get more street credit in the eyes of their POS friends the more time they serve. From what I have seen from the correctional system is that it's a failure. People need to be tought morals and to do the right thing, growing up in a household of trash is typically going to breed trash. Yes you'll get a wild child from a great family that gives them everything from time to time but more often than not the pieces of crap of the world don't fall far from the tree.

I agree with you 1000000000%. The problem is we can legislate good parenting aside from coming down on parent like a ton of bricks when their kids screw up. Which will never happen. We can on the other hand rehab/fix/change the juvy system to be better at rehabilitation than just “punishment”, and use it.

The juvy system needs to be set up so that being a “thug” is incredibly painful. Will it save them all, not a chance. Will it save some? Sure will. And there are going to be the ones that can’t be saved.

My thoughts are crush the parents with penalties/punishment. Crush the kids with penalties/punishment. And if they are still dirtbags after all that, write them off. Making new, potentially better replacements is easy.

I got in some trouble (stupid stuff) when I was 15-16yrs old. My Mom was working/gone most of the time, my Dad (divorced) was not around much because of work and I was too smart for my own good and bored to death at school. Did 2 weeks in juvy then 1yr on “Intensive Probation” (think house arrest except for school/work). I have been near a saint since then. I could have just as easily gone to the dark side. The system worked for me. It was simply way too uncomfortable being “bad”.

The only laws I break are speeding laws, and that isn’t much.

 

[EddieNFL]

Another example of a principal looking out for everyone's best interests: Principal sues students over parody Facebook, Twitter accounts | Technically Incorrect - CNET News

My favorite part was, "used Facebook and Twitter without authorization."

 

[997/2man]

My Dad gave me a Daisy bb gun when I was 7. Lots of 1 on 1, could use it in our groves, woods, etc. When I came home from school one day, there was a Stevens bolt action .410 leaning in the corner of my bedroom. I was 12 and my Dad figured I was ready. I worked for three summers, saved my money, and bought my first pistol, a 6" S&W K-22. I was 15, the gun store owner smiled as much as my Dad did. It was $110 in 1975.

There is no secret to raising a good kid.

Takes a little time.

I followed his lead re: my three kids, esp. my daughter. I was going to make shit sure she knew about firearms.

I'm glad I grew up when I did.