Rifle Scopes Swarovski Z8i 0.75-6X20

[308pirate]

I have no idea how Swarovski did it but here's a scope that actually reduces the image at the low end to increase FOV to a crazy 56 meters at 100 meters (IIRC from the video).

There appears to be a detent at 1x on the way down. Pushing past that sets it in the sub 1X range down to 0.75X.

Seems also the reticle is just a floating dot.

Pretty damned cool, don't want to ask what it costs..........

 

[CBDR]

Swaro is in a class all by it's self when it comes to hunting. Kahles is the sweet spot.
TOP OF THE LINE GEAR.

 

[ldunnmobile]

I've been waiting for someone else to notice these. Color me intrigued. I can't wrap my mind around how it's better than a good 1x LPV

 

[308pirate]

I can't wrap my mind around how it's better than a good 1x LPV

I thought that was obvious? By reducing the image size by 25% (from 1X to .75X) you gain 30% more field of view.

I'm surprised 3 gunners haven't jumped on these.

 

[garmil]

I thought that was obvious? By reducing the image size by 25% (from 1X to .75X) you gain 30% more field of view.

I'm surprised 3 gunners haven't jumped on these.

The beauty of a good true 1x is having both eyes open and using the even view that creates through and around the scope to essentially have the maximum field of view. By reducing the power you eliminate that advantage and will want to look through the scope only which has an improved field of view on paper over 1x but not in a real world scenario in my opinion.

 

[bp7178]

For fast close moving targets I can see the advantage, but I'd want to try it before paying Swaro money for it...and that's from a Z8i owner.

 

[308pirate]

The beauty of a good true 1x is having both eyes open and using the even view that creates through and around the scope to essentially have the maximum field of view. By reducing the power you eliminate that advantage and will want to look through the scope only which has an improved field of view on paper over 1x but not in a real world scenario in my opinion.

I see what you're saying in theory, but maybe Swarovski knows a thing or two more about how our eyes work?

It could be a total wreck of a concept, but my benefit of the doubt goes to a company that's been doing this since 1948. This thing was developed with driven hunting in mind, something pretty big in Europe and something Swarovski is not unfamiliar with.

 

[garmil]

I see what you're saying in theory, but maybe Swarovski knows a thing or two more about how our eyes work?

It could be a total wreck of a concept, but my benefit of the doubt goes to a company that's been doing this since 1948. This thing was developed with driven hunting in mind, something pretty big in Europe and something Swarovski is not unfamiliar with.

I'm not sure why you're treating it like they are right and everyone else is wrong because they know about scopes. When Swarovski stops making 1x and only makes .75x your stance on this might make some sense. For now I'd say they are adding variety not creating a superior product.

 

[308pirate]

I'm not sure why you're treating it like they are right and everyone else is wrong because they know about scopes.

Yeah, silly me. Their expertise in optics, human vision, market research, and probably actual driven hunting (the main purpose of this scope) is completely overmatch by your opinion.

When Swarovski stops making 1x and only makes .75x your stance on this might make some sense. For now I'd say they are adding variety not creating a superior product.

Let me know when you try one. I'd be real interested in hearing about that.

 

[garmil]

Yeah, silly me. Their expertise in optics, human vision, market research, and probably actual driven hunting (the main purpose of this scope) is completely overmatch by your opinion.


Let me know when you try one. I'd be real interested in hearing about that.

Not sure what your problem and or confusion is. Having an opinion is different than saying I'm right. You're defensiveness is completely unjustified.

I almost bought one actually but decided on the Z8I 1-8 instead because I prefer a ballistic holdover style reticle and the *opinions above.

 

[phlegm]

I checked it out when it was announced at IWA last year. Not sure if it gets easier with some practice, but on .75x it felt like using poorly aligned binoculars when I had both eyes open.

The floating dot was okay, but I prefer a real reticle.

I would need a really good reason to use this over a good 1x.

 

[PB67]

I thought that was obvious? By reducing the image size by 25% (from 1X to .75X) you gain 30% more field of view.

I'm surprised 3 gunners haven't jumped on these.

Hello, there is no contradiction between this 25% against 30%.
It's just math.
I will try to give examples for explanation.
When passing from power ×2 to power ×6 we observe a multiplication with factor 3 and we understand that the field of view is divided by the same factor, divided by 3 in size.
Applying the same rule from x0.75 to x1 we observe a multiplication with factor 1.33 (in fact 4/3). And then the field of view is divided by factor 1.33
So when passing reverse from x1 to x0.75 the field of view is multiplicated by this 1.33 (multiplication by 1.33 being the reverse operation of division by 1.33). This 1.33 can be translated in percentage : here is increasing field of view of 33%. Approximated in +30% by Swarovski advertising.
Hope it helps.

 

[WildBill3/75]

Hello, there is no contradiction between this 25% against 30%.
It's just math.
I will try to give examples for explanation.
When passing from power ×2 to power ×6 we observe a multiplication with factor 3 and we understand that the field of view is divided by the same factor, divided by 3 in size.
Applying the same rule from x0.75 to x1 we observe a multiplication with factor 1.33 (in fact 4/3). And then the field of view is divided by factor 1.33
So when passing reverse from x1 to x0.75 the field of view is multiplicated by this 1.33 (multiplication by 1.33 being the reverse operation of division by 1.33). This 1.33 can be translated in percentage : here is increasing field of view of 33%. Approximated in +30% by Swarovski advertising.
Hope it helps.

2 years later.

 

[PB67]

Hello,
Maybe since 2018, one of the members has now more experience with this 0.75-6x20
Does the 0.75 power factor brings you an interesting experience? Specially for fast and close target's acquisition and accurate shooting ?
For buying again, would you keep your first choice or would you change for the classic 1-8x24.

With best regards.
PB67

 

[modsdone]

Have one coming for my 416 RM to use for an upcoming tuskless hunt. Parallax is set to 100 meters from 1-6. When you drop to 0.75 it's set to 25 meters (like the CC mode on a SB Exos), plus a wider field of view vs 1-4, 1-6 or 1-8 offerings. In close heavy brush this sounds like the ticket, but I will see after I get some time behind the unit. Got the 4A-IF flex reticle so I have choice of circle dot or dot similar to my SB Zenith FD9 Flashdot