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Sweden moving towards cashless economy...
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Re: Sweden moving towards cashless economy...
Banks and their damned 'service fees'.... gee, I wonder who's behind all this.
Sit back, let a computer do all the work, pay NO overhead for security, and reap profits.
We've been using Credit Unions up here for years. Won't go near the 'big 5 bastards' and yet we get the same if not better service and options.
No vaults, no bank-machines (and their upkeep), no armoured-car services, and no pesky 'employee-liability' either. Gee, who's behind all this, eh?
Banks and their damned 'service fees'.... gee, I wonder who's behind all this.
Sit back, let a computer do all the work, pay NO overhead for security, and reap profits.
We've been using Credit Unions up here for years. Won't go near the 'big 5 bastards' and yet we get the same if not better service and options.
No vaults, no bank-machines (and their upkeep), no armoured-car services, and no pesky 'employee-liability' either. Gee, who's behind all this, eh?
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Once the cash is gone, they own you. Someone doesnt like you...one click of a computer key and your financials are shut down til they they send the uniformed lackeys to collect you.
There was a long thread a couple of months ago detailing EXACTLY who is behind all this. Want to bring it back...no one listened then, probrably wont now.
Once the cash is gone, they own you. Someone doesnt like you...one click of a computer key and your financials are shut down til they they send the uniformed lackeys to collect you.
There was a long thread a couple of months ago detailing EXACTLY who is behind all this. Want to bring it back...no one listened then, probrably wont now.
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I too think this is crazy dangerous to freedom. How hard will it be to stop the sale of forbidden items ie guns and ammo in they want in the future with control over your money. Sad PG
I too think this is crazy dangerous to freedom. How hard will it be to stop the sale of forbidden items ie guns and ammo in they want in the future with control over your money. Sad PG
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I'm open arms with this.
Barter worked very well when I was a kid, and it was damn hard for the tax man to keep up. Now that the bulk of the sheep are intrenched in money, (a system they chose to stay in, because it was real easy, BTW) the tax man knows keeping up with all money, just tightens the noose an blocks a few more holes.
If your in the system, you play be their rules. You do have options but it's not the easiest of roads, the rewards a there for those who work at it though.
They know the sheep are lazy, therefor they can keep turning up the heat w/o consequences, that out weight the benefit.
I'm open arms with this.
Barter worked very well when I was a kid, and it was damn hard for the tax man to keep up. Now that the bulk of the sheep are intrenched in money, (a system they chose to stay in, because it was real easy, BTW) the tax man knows keeping up with all money, just tightens the noose an blocks a few more holes.
If your in the system, you play be their rules. You do have options but it's not the easiest of roads, the rewards a there for those who work at it though.
They know the sheep are lazy, therefor they can keep turning up the heat w/o consequences, that out weight the benefit.
Re: Sweden moving towards cashless economy...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Once the cash is gone, they own you. Someone doesnt like you...one click of a computer key and your financials are shut down til they they send the uniformed lackeys to collect you. </span>
There was a long thread a couple of months ago detailing EXACTLY who is behind all this. Want to bring it back...no one listened then, probrably wont now.</div></div>
Well said, maggot. Even with something like computer glitch, you will have no access to your money. <span style="font-style: italic">Nothing</span> is foolproof, especially when you're talking about technology.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Once the cash is gone, they own you. Someone doesnt like you...one click of a computer key and your financials are shut down til they they send the uniformed lackeys to collect you. </span>
There was a long thread a couple of months ago detailing EXACTLY who is behind all this. Want to bring it back...no one listened then, probrably wont now.</div></div>
Well said, maggot. Even with something like computer glitch, you will have no access to your money. <span style="font-style: italic">Nothing</span> is foolproof, especially when you're talking about technology.
Re: Sweden moving towards cashless economy...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Once the cash is gone, they own you. Someone doesnt like you...one click of a computer key and your financials are shut down til they they send the uniformed lackeys to collect you.
There was a long thread a couple of months ago detailing EXACTLY who is behind all this. Want to bring it back...no one listened then, probrably wont now.</div></div>
This. Not to mention the whole next step could be a chip in your hand or forehead to "advance" a cashless society to where you no longer need to carry a plastic card around to buy/sell.
How convenient.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Once the cash is gone, they own you. Someone doesnt like you...one click of a computer key and your financials are shut down til they they send the uniformed lackeys to collect you.
There was a long thread a couple of months ago detailing EXACTLY who is behind all this. Want to bring it back...no one listened then, probrably wont now.</div></div>
This. Not to mention the whole next step could be a chip in your hand or forehead to "advance" a cashless society to where you no longer need to carry a plastic card around to buy/sell.
How convenient.
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That would be heaven on earth for a decent cyber crook. Now that identity theft is on the rise, I think an identity theft could quickly wipe out some Swede's savings in a moment. Especially with the digital readers that can harvest your information by just being in the area.
Geez, they can read your credit card from inside your wallet, why not just wait until you perform some transaction, and harvest your info, then clean you out.
I still don't trust the security, and especially don't want to leave an electronic trail of every purchase.
That would be heaven on earth for a decent cyber crook. Now that identity theft is on the rise, I think an identity theft could quickly wipe out some Swede's savings in a moment. Especially with the digital readers that can harvest your information by just being in the area.
Geez, they can read your credit card from inside your wallet, why not just wait until you perform some transaction, and harvest your info, then clean you out.
I still don't trust the security, and especially don't want to leave an electronic trail of every purchase.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm open arms with this.
Barter worked very well when I was a kid, and it was damn hard for the tax man to keep up. Now that the bulk of the sheep are intrenched in money, (a system they chose to stay in, because it was real easy, BTW) the tax man knows keeping up with all money, just tightens the noose an blocks a few more holes.
If your in the system, you play be their rules. You do have options but it's not the easiest of roads, the rewards a there for those who work at it though.
They know the sheep are lazy, therefor they can keep turning up the heat w/o consequences, that out weight the benefit.
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Money arises freely and repeatedly through history, and always improves the prosperity of those who use it.
When you have a cow for barter and need a loaf of bread, it's a bit difficult, and thus, economic activity reduces reducing the standard of living of all.
What's happening with government controlled fiat monies is a bit of a different discussion, but money itself as a concept is very beneficial.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm open arms with this.
Barter worked very well when I was a kid, and it was damn hard for the tax man to keep up. Now that the bulk of the sheep are intrenched in money, (a system they chose to stay in, because it was real easy, BTW) the tax man knows keeping up with all money, just tightens the noose an blocks a few more holes.
If your in the system, you play be their rules. You do have options but it's not the easiest of roads, the rewards a there for those who work at it though.
They know the sheep are lazy, therefor they can keep turning up the heat w/o consequences, that out weight the benefit.
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Money arises freely and repeatedly through history, and always improves the prosperity of those who use it.
When you have a cow for barter and need a loaf of bread, it's a bit difficult, and thus, economic activity reduces reducing the standard of living of all.
What's happening with government controlled fiat monies is a bit of a different discussion, but money itself as a concept is very beneficial.
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Re: Sweden moving towards cashless economy...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luvtolean</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's happening with government controlled fiat monies is a bit of a different discussion, but money itself as a concept is very beneficial. </div></div>
Money only allows those who are but a one trick pony to be elevated to heights they would never reach w/o it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luvtolean</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When you have a cow for barter and need a loaf of bread, it's a bit difficult, and thus, economic activity reduces reducing the standard of living of all.</div></div>
Typical, short sighted thinking.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luvtolean</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's happening with government controlled fiat monies is a bit of a different discussion, but money itself as a concept is very beneficial. </div></div>
Money only allows those who are but a one trick pony to be elevated to heights they would never reach w/o it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luvtolean</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When you have a cow for barter and need a loaf of bread, it's a bit difficult, and thus, economic activity reduces reducing the standard of living of all.</div></div>
Typical, short sighted thinking.
Re: Sweden moving towards cashless economy...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Money only allows those who are but a one trick pony to be elevated to heights they would never reach w/o it. </div></div>
Money does allow work specialization.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Typical, short sighted thinking. </div></div>
The opposite actually.
You're a shooter, ever read the John Moses Browning biography?
I did a couple of months ago. All JMB knew was guns, he did not waste time with horseshoes and plows. He was so laser focused, he didn't even waste much time on manufacturing and marketing the guns, he just invented. 1 trick pony all the way. He did rise to heights he wouldn't have without this incredibly focused specialization, no doubt. But that's not a bad thing...
Interestingly, JMB's dad invented one of the best, first clip fed repeating rifles in the country. His innovation stopped there as he aimed his talents to supporting the various basic needs of frontier life after moving out of the city fleeing religious persecution.
The same is true for most of the men who were key in inventing things we take for granted today.
I hate this idea of Sweden, I hate what our government has done to the dollar, but money as a concept is very very valuable and good.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Money only allows those who are but a one trick pony to be elevated to heights they would never reach w/o it. </div></div>
Money does allow work specialization.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Typical, short sighted thinking. </div></div>
The opposite actually.
You're a shooter, ever read the John Moses Browning biography?
I did a couple of months ago. All JMB knew was guns, he did not waste time with horseshoes and plows. He was so laser focused, he didn't even waste much time on manufacturing and marketing the guns, he just invented. 1 trick pony all the way. He did rise to heights he wouldn't have without this incredibly focused specialization, no doubt. But that's not a bad thing...
Interestingly, JMB's dad invented one of the best, first clip fed repeating rifles in the country. His innovation stopped there as he aimed his talents to supporting the various basic needs of frontier life after moving out of the city fleeing religious persecution.
The same is true for most of the men who were key in inventing things we take for granted today.
I hate this idea of Sweden, I hate what our government has done to the dollar, but money as a concept is very very valuable and good.
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I'm more into T. A. Edison than JMB,... and our government has only been allowed to do what the so called "Educated Voting Public" wanted. But the free handouts, an one trick ponys, have about ran their course.
What happens when the power goes off, an money within that electric safe can't be had, is erased, or worthless? Will you still able to feed you family until the next growing season? Make your own fuel, or fertilizer, repair any item you need to for shelter, provide, or protect?
Many people are educated beyond their intelligence, that fact is self evident when you look at where this country is and is headed,...and all because of what, "Money", an it's perception of wealth. In the not to distance future many are going to know what true wealth is.
My Grandfather, Uncles ect watched money being used as a fire starter after 1929, if it was so valuable how come they were burning it, but tools and skill sets, were in so much demand?
I'm more into T. A. Edison than JMB,... and our government has only been allowed to do what the so called "Educated Voting Public" wanted. But the free handouts, an one trick ponys, have about ran their course.
What happens when the power goes off, an money within that electric safe can't be had, is erased, or worthless? Will you still able to feed you family until the next growing season? Make your own fuel, or fertilizer, repair any item you need to for shelter, provide, or protect?
Many people are educated beyond their intelligence, that fact is self evident when you look at where this country is and is headed,...and all because of what, "Money", an it's perception of wealth. In the not to distance future many are going to know what true wealth is.
My Grandfather, Uncles ect watched money being used as a fire starter after 1929, if it was so valuable how come they were burning it, but tools and skill sets, were in so much demand?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm more into T. A. Edison than JMB,... and our government has only been allowed to do what the so called "Educated Voting Public" wanted. But the free handouts, an one trick ponys, have about ran their course.
What happens when the power goes off, an money within that electric safe can't be had, is erased, or worthless? Will you still able to feed you family until the next growing season? Make your own fuel, or fertilizer, repair any item you need to for shelter, provide, or protect?
<span style="color: #CC0000"> Many people are educated beyond their intelligence</span> , that fact is self evident when you look at where this country is and is headed,...and all because of what, "Money", an it's perception of wealth. In the not to distance future many are going to know what true wealth is.
My Grandfather, Uncles ect watched money being used as a fire starter after 1929, if it was so valuable how come they were burning it, but tools and skill sets, were in so much demand? </div></div>
Good point. Thats essentially what I mean when I take Jefferson to task with "Power without wisdom is folly." Man, especially western man, has put a premium on, even made a god out of, knowledge. But with out knowing how to use that knowledge to our benefit, its beyond worthless, its dangerous.
Wisdom, basically boils down to a very simple formula. Wisdom = "The most efficient use of energy." Consider how efficient a use of energy war is. Or even somethingas simple as an internal combustion vehicle. If you look at mankind's use of energy, and correlate that to his true advancement, it looks REALLY bleak. Knowledge, yes. Wisdom, no.
Its not in the fault of money, but as a wise man once said, "The love of money is the root of all evil."
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm more into T. A. Edison than JMB,... and our government has only been allowed to do what the so called "Educated Voting Public" wanted. But the free handouts, an one trick ponys, have about ran their course.
What happens when the power goes off, an money within that electric safe can't be had, is erased, or worthless? Will you still able to feed you family until the next growing season? Make your own fuel, or fertilizer, repair any item you need to for shelter, provide, or protect?
<span style="color: #CC0000"> Many people are educated beyond their intelligence</span> , that fact is self evident when you look at where this country is and is headed,...and all because of what, "Money", an it's perception of wealth. In the not to distance future many are going to know what true wealth is.
My Grandfather, Uncles ect watched money being used as a fire starter after 1929, if it was so valuable how come they were burning it, but tools and skill sets, were in so much demand? </div></div>
Good point. Thats essentially what I mean when I take Jefferson to task with "Power without wisdom is folly." Man, especially western man, has put a premium on, even made a god out of, knowledge. But with out knowing how to use that knowledge to our benefit, its beyond worthless, its dangerous.
Wisdom, basically boils down to a very simple formula. Wisdom = "The most efficient use of energy." Consider how efficient a use of energy war is. Or even somethingas simple as an internal combustion vehicle. If you look at mankind's use of energy, and correlate that to his true advancement, it looks REALLY bleak. Knowledge, yes. Wisdom, no.
Its not in the fault of money, but as a wise man once said, "The love of money is the root of all evil."
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The more you work with computers the less you will trust them. So when the bank or credit card companies computers are down or hacked because they outsourced all the tech support to the lowest bidders in India and your credit card doesn't work for a bit... gas? snacks? lunch?
Sure the banks love it, they get to skim Billions of dollars in fees and you get to pay for it with every purchase you make. They of course try to say no the customers never pay only the merchants.... BS nobody would stay in business if they didn't slowly up their prices to make up for the cut the bank takes so in the end, you are simply working harder to let the bankers tax every purchase you make.
The more you work with computers the less you will trust them. So when the bank or credit card companies computers are down or hacked because they outsourced all the tech support to the lowest bidders in India and your credit card doesn't work for a bit... gas? snacks? lunch?
Sure the banks love it, they get to skim Billions of dollars in fees and you get to pay for it with every purchase you make. They of course try to say no the customers never pay only the merchants.... BS nobody would stay in business if they didn't slowly up their prices to make up for the cut the bank takes so in the end, you are simply working harder to let the bankers tax every purchase you make.
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Dependence equates to vulnerability.
Ask the Mayans to comment. They understand that relationship in the truest sense.
Dependence equates to vulnerability.
Ask the Mayans to comment. They understand that relationship in the truest sense.
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The idea is growing the media is now suggesting the USA might be better off if they do the same.
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/c...per_money_.html
Watch small gold/silver/platinum coins go sky high if this gains strength
The idea is growing the media is now suggesting the USA might be better off if they do the same.
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/c...per_money_.html
Watch small gold/silver/platinum coins go sky high if this gains strength
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