Rifle Scopes SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

#401
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MP15</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So in your opinion, what do you think March and IOR do better than the SS as you eluded to above? </div></div>
With the lower powers/larger FOV they have the edge for really close stuff, the bolder/thicker reticles help for that as well.

I just got it so I haven't had much time to look at it in the daylight yet, but first impressions indicate the March will be the best at seeing fine details at long range in the daylight.

The other thing the March does so well is simply to be small. The thing is tiny! To have the optical horsepower and features to compete with the big scopes in such a small package is amazing. For a compact rifle or one you carry a lot that might be a big deal to you. It's so compact and nearly a full pound lighter than the IOR and about 9 oz lighter than the SS.

While this particular test probably highlighted the area in which the March is the weakest, I expect it'll make up some ground in others.

Of course when you look at cost, especially with the group buy, if you don't hunt whitetails in the thick brush and don't carry your rifle all day I can't think of much the SS won't do well enough to justify spending so much more money.
 
#404
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

I didn't see much info on how the illumination knob works. I see its right next to the parallax so does the illumination turn with the parallax?? Do you have to turn the illumination by its self??

I can see my self constantly turning the illumination on and off and up and down if there's not a way to lock it out.
 
#405
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pyrolater</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didn't see much info on how the illumination knob works. I see its right next to the parallax so does the illumination turn with the parallax?? Do you have to turn the illumination by its self??

I can see my self constantly turning the illumination on and off and up and down if there's not a way to lock it out. </div></div>

Gotta think they must work independantly....wouldn't make any sense any other way.
 
#407
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pyrolater</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I mean, ..... does the illumination and the parallax turn together and then if you want the illumination on do you just turn the outside dial? </div></div>

That would be retarded in my book....gotta think they operate separatly.
 
#410
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Nice scope SWFA. I do however find it hard to believe the glass is better than IOR and March. Seriously considering purchasing one for myself so we shall see.
 
#412
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pyrolater</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That may be retarded but the question remains unanswered. How does it work?? </div></div>
They turn separately and independently. If you want to turn on the illumination, you turn the illumination knob. If you want to adjust the parallax, you turn the parallax ring. One doesn't affect the other.

So easy a caveman can do it.
 
#415
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RHutch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This scope is going to take a run at nightforce like noting before it.
The PST is not in the same league.
Mark my words.</div></div>

They won't give NF a run for their money, NF is too consistent in everything they make as one of the most solid scope manufacturers out there. The ones that have to worry are those who are less consistent and have had one too many highs and lows in recent years. If you're putting scopes out there that are not up to standard, issues out of the box, etc, this scope will definitely bite into your bottom line.
 
#416
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RHutch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This scope is going to take a run at nightforce like noting before it.
The PST is not in the same league.
Mark my words.</div></div>

They won't give NF a run for their money, NF is too consistent in everything they make as one of the most solid scope manufacturers out there. The ones that have to worry are those who are less consistent and have had one too many highs and lows in recent years. If you're putting scopes out there that are not up to standard, issues out of the box, etc, this scope will definitely bite into your bottom line.

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Yeah, I was thinking seriously about the 3-18X50 IOR until this came up. I immediately ordered one as soon as it hit 5000.
 
#418
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon A</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pyrolater</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That may be retarded but the question remains unanswered. How does it work?? </div></div>
They turn separately and independently. If you want to turn on the illumination, you turn the illumination knob. If you want to adjust the parallax, you turn the parallax ring. One doesn't affect the other.

So easy a caveman can do it. </div></div>


Does the illumination come on ( accidentally ) when you turn the parallax? It looks like it would be pretty easy to have the illumination come on when you didn't need it to or want it to.
 
#420
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lennyo3034</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Yeah, I was thinking seriously about the 3-18X50 IOR until this came up. I immediately ordered one as soon as it hit 5000. </div></div>

If I didn't already have a 3-18 IOR I would buy this scope. I might still do it. I'm an American so it's hard to pass up a 30% off sale on anything.
 
#421
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I owned two scope that have the same type of parallax and illumination knob. I have never turned the illumination by accident. </div></div>

I'm not familiar with that set up so I'm not so sure I would be able to spin just one dial if I got in hurry or had winter gloves on.
 
#423
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pyrolater</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does the illumination come on ( accidentally ) when you turn the parallax? It looks like it would be pretty easy to have the illumination come on when you didn't need it to or want it to. </div></div>
It does if you turn it.
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I hadn't used a scope with this configuration before either and I did actually grab the illumination and turn it by mistake a few times in the first couple hours of playing with the scope.

After the first couple of hours, once I was familiar with the scope that didn't happen anymore. Once you get used to it it's a non-issue.
 
#425
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

After reading these posts I am seriously conflicted. Should I get the SS, or the Countersniper with multicoated with Bertrillium-Zantitium™?

Has anyone compared the Countersniper to the Barska Tactical scopes? I bet they are close.

I am tending to move towards the SS. Any suggestions?
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Ornery
 
#426
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ornery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After reading these posts I am seriously conflicted. Should I get the SS, or the Countersniper with multicoated with Bertrillium-Zantitium™?

Has anyone compared the Countersniper to the Barska Tactical scopes? I bet they are close.

I am tending to move towards the SS. Any suggestions?
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Ornery </div></div>
Nah. NcStar or Leapers tactical mall ninja series is the bomb. That's what I'm getting.
 
#427
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ornery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After reading these posts I am seriously conflicted. Should I get the SS, or the Countersniper with multicoated with Bertrillium-Zantitium™?

Has anyone compared the Countersniper to the Barska Tactical scopes? I bet they are close.

I am tending to move towards the SS. Any suggestions?
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Ornery </div></div>Read up on all three scopes in question... then make your choice. That snipercounter does look tits though!!!
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#428
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon A</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pyrolater</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does the illumination come on ( accidentally ) when you turn the parallax? It looks like it would be pretty easy to have the illumination come on when you didn't need it to or want it to. </div></div>
It does if you turn it.
wink.gif
I hadn't used a scope with this configuration before either and I did actually grab the illumination and turn it by mistake a few times in the first couple hours of playing with the scope.

After the first couple of hours, once I was familiar with the scope that didn't happen anymore. Once you get used to it it's a non-issue. </div></div>
Or you could just take the battery out of the illum. that way you don't have to "Freak-out" over it... Everything has different controls, that takes familiarization or it seems strange. But putting the controls there really add to the trim appearance of this scope, at least IMHO.
 
#430
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

Like I said before I am not familiar with that type of set up for the illumination. I'm not saying its bad I just wanted to know how it worked.

I don't like ordering something and getting surprised when I open the box.
 
#431
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More and more scopes are coming with the illumination in the parallax simply because the other way, like S&B who has a separate knob puts it in the way.

Hensoldt has it there, Nightforce, & Premier has it there, the list is growing, it'a a made up issue that only exists because people aren't versed in it.

It's effective.
 
#432
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More and more scopes are coming with the illumination in the parallax simply because the other way, like S&B who has a separate knob puts it in the way.

Hensoldt has it there, Nightforce, & Premier has it there, the list is growing, it'a a made up issue that only exists because people aren't versed in it.

It's effective. </div></div>
It doesn't really matter where it is to me... Illumination as a feature on a scope will be new to me, because I have never had one with it! Bitching about where any control is on one scope versus another is kinda gay... If you like the lack of tube space on a S&B,or the HUGE ocular on a Loopy, buy them...
 
#433
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More and more scopes are coming with the illumination in the parallax simply because the other way, like S&B who has a separate knob puts it in the way.

Hensoldt has it there, Nightforce, & Premier has it there, the list is growing, it'a a made up issue that only exists because people aren't versed in it.

It's effective. </div></div>

I like reading posts like this. Simple, straight to the point and sums it up.


Thanks for the info.
 
#434
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If the scope is going to have illumination, I think I would rather have the control on the parallax knob vs. on the objective as long as it doesn't make the combined knob too long. It just seems less obtrusive/cleaner lines. The updated photo with the super chicken knob hopefully is an accessory and not the final configuration.
 
#437
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I got spoiled with the illumination on the side from my Nightforce. I like it better on the side so it don't get in the way of the elevation markings. Just sayin...

DK
 
#438
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MacBud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What are the Butler Creek sizes? Also what is the overall diameter of the objective Butler Creek size? I am trying to plan out the ring height for this scope for my rifle. </div></div>
Eyepiece OD: 44.11mm / 1.736"
Objective OD: 60.00mm / 2.362"
I got that info from a post Brady made over on Optics Talk. Not sure what size Butler Creeks that is.
 
#439
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When you go to the 5-20 SS page to purchase it, there's an option to add a MilDot Master and Butler Creek caps. Just click the Butler caps option, and I'm sure the proper ones will be sent with the scope. I figured that out doing a "dry run" today. Gotta get a few more bills taken care of before I can make my purchase, and I'm REALLY hoping I can pull it off in time!
 
#441
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SWFA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
5-20Reticle.jpg
</div></div> .05 mil, and it's FFP so it will always be .05 mil.
 
#442
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I've had 2 scopes my entire life. A Zeiss 3-9x40 and a NF 2.5-10x24. I personally found the illumination knob on the side A) a hassle and B) Poorly configured. Didn't make much sense that you had to go through all brightness settings to get to the lowest (which was the only one I ever found remotely useful and it was still too bright) or the fact that if you missed your setting it was a pain to go all the way around again. I like simplification.
 
#443
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeathByCactus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've had 2 scopes my entire life. A Zeiss 3-9x40 and a NF 2.5-10x24. I personally found the illumination knob on the side A) a hassle and B) Poorly configured. Didn't make much sense that you had to go through all brightness settings to get to the lowest (which was the only one I ever found remotely useful and it was still too bright) or the fact that if you missed your setting it was a pain to go all the way around again. I like simplification.</div></div>

The illumination on th SS has stops between each setting. You can turn it off with a single click.
 
#444
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Just to clarify, with the SS 5-20 you do not need to go through all the brightness settings every time. There's an off setting between each power level so the lowest setting is only one click away if that's what you want. And you can turn the knob forward or backward as much or as little as you like--you don't need to go all the way around if you miss the setting you wanted.
 
#445
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon A</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And you can turn the knob forward or backward as much or as little as you like--you don't need to go all the way around if you miss the setting you wanted.
</div></div> You're talking about the illumination setting here, correct? You're saying you can go from level 9 to level 2 "the short way"?
 
#449
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Are other FFP reticles normally thicker than this one? seems like people are always saying that FFP is not going to be good for target shooting since its too thick. But at .05 mil its only covering .18 inches at 100 yds... that doesnt seem unreasonable to me.
 
#450
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jlficken</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know if the eye relief is a constant 4" at all magnifications? </div></div>
It's not perfectly constant, but the change isn't very much and it's longest on the high powers so you never really notice the change in use. It's pretty long and friendly all the way around.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: D Ice 308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jon how's SS glass compare to Mark4 ? Thanks. I'm thinking to sell my Leupy to buy SS... </div></div>
You should not be disappointed.
 
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