Rifle Scopes SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

#301
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

Based on how the SS 1-4x competes with the high end low range variables. I would say they were trying to compete a lot more with scopes like the Nightforce F1 and the Razor. I don't think competing with the PST is even on the menu

I get you are meaning on the price, but the PST is not even going to be in the same league IMO. Just like the 1-4x PST is blown away buy the 1-4x SS. And if you look at those two as an example they don't really compete in price either.

I would have not problem paying the $1500 for a scope that is going to compete and most likely be better than scopes in the $2000 to $2500 price range. I don't think they are shooting to make the cheapest decent tactical scope like the PST has. I think they are shooting to make one of the best scopes you can buy for a decent price. I am just pumped they are going to be available soon.
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#302
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

I would tend to agree with you after seeing the price. However, I dont see them competing with the razor or any 2000-2500 dollar scopes. If you have the money to spend on this, why not pay a bit more and get more reticle options, zero stop,etc. Just my opinion.
I see this scope kicking the shit out of Mark 4's and lower range nightforces though.
 
#303
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

well my hope is that like verything else in this world, someone with more money than since will buy it just because it is new and everyone is talking about it, then decide it's not for them or two much scope for their needs and i can pick it up for the price i want
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#304
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

As for the tube size, there appears to be no benefit to 34mm in this case. Tube size is all about elevation travel.

30mm tubes
PST - 4-16 - 21 mil of elevation
PST - 6-24 - 19 mil of elevation
NXS - 5-22 - 27 mil of elevation
SS - 5-20 - 30 mil of elevation

34mm tubes
HDMR - 3-21 - 26 mil of elevation

Now the 34mm tubes like Hensoldt and S&B appear to offer more elevation, but there's no doubt that they are in a different price point.
 
#305
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

I want to be in on the group buy however the timing is possibly a limiter for me. I would have to have one the first part of next month. I have a class mid month.
Wonder if that's possible?
 
#307
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

I dare bet you will be surprised.
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A zero stop (which may be coming) and reticle options are not really making it a better scope. But I agree the options are nice for some. For me a Mil hashed reticle is all I need. Zero stop is a mute point with a 10mil knob IMO.

The important things like glass quality, durability, mechanics will not be beat by Nightforce or Razor.
 
#308
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As for the tube size, there appears to be no benefit to 34mm in this case. Tube size is all about elevation travel.

30mm tubes
PST - 4-16 - 21 mil of elevation
PST - 6-24 - 19 mil of elevation
NXS - 5-22 - 27 mil of elevation
SS - 5-20 - 30 mil of elevation

34mm tubes
HDMR - 3-21 - 26 mil of elevation

Now the 34mm tubes like Hensoldt and S&B appear to offer more elevation, but there's no doubt that they are in a different price point. </div></div>

I was wondering if you would happen to know the actual objective bell diameter on the SS? Also the ocular bell diameter?

I thought the PSTs where made by the fine craftsman of the Philippines and the glass from Japan.
 
#309
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I was wondering if you would happen to know the actual objective bell diameter on the SS? Also the ocular bell diameter?

I thought the PSTs where made by the fine craftsman of the Philippines and the glass from Japan. </div></div>

I don't have one to measure, possibly Jon A can answer that for us.

You are correct and I stand corrected, the PST's are assembled in the Philippines....I was thinking of the Razor.
 
#310
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

C'mon J...if you know the price spit it out.....They won't reply to PM or email with it.

Guess they don't want to sell them to us....they are hoping to get people to pay full website price.
 
#312
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

1500 puts it in an odd position price wise. A bit more and you get the proven NF (albeit not FFP) or a Razor. A bit less and you get a PST (albeit with a supposed decrease in optical quality) but more reticle options, zero stop, and a touch more top end power.
 
#313
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

Hmmm
interesting price point
Would luv to see a side by side comparison with Bushnell Elite 6-24x 50mm Illum. NEW FFP MODEL which is $1k
seems to me unless glass is way better?
both scopes have same features
is the SS 5-20HD $500 better?
I can live without FFP and a zero stop
I,m sure tracking is equally good on both
so that just leaves glass quality
 
#314
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jedi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">both scopes have same features
is the SS 5-20HD $500 better?
I can live without FFP and a zero stop
I,m sure tracking is equally good on both
so that just leaves glass quality </div></div>
There's more than that. A much nicer reticle, 10 Mils per turn, more elevation travel...and that's assuming durability would be the same which is a pretty big assumption. Don't get me wrong, it's nice to see Bushnell making that scope as it looks very nice for the money, but there's more to the SS than just a little better glass.
 
#316
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeo556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody know where this group buy is going to show up at? In this thread or in the group buy area? I don't want to miss anything. </div></div>

Same question here...
 
#318
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A new thread will be started... they are getting all geared up. </div></div>

Adding RAM to the server, getting ready for all the orders to flood in.
 
#319
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

The initial reports say that this is better than a NF, Better than the PST by a considerable amount, and put it more in-line with the Razor. Is that correct?
 
#322
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jedi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmm
interesting price point
Would luv to see a side by side comparison with Bushnell Elite 6-24x 50mm Illum. NEW FFP MODEL which is $1k
seems to me unless glass is way better?
both scopes have same features
is the SS 5-20HD $500 better?
I can live without FFP and a zero stop
I,m sure tracking is equally good on both
so that just leaves glass quality </div></div>

The bushnell 6-24FFP was 700something not too long ago. A person I know has one and I don't particularly like it, the 3-12 FFP model is a better scope.

Cameraland and a couple other places should have some PST 6-24 FFP Milmil scopes in stock next week, that is the model I would get if you want a 6-24 for <1k.
 
#325
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you even have a clue what the price point is ?

"I see interesting price point" -- but i have to says, if the number quoted is the point, you have no clue ? </div></div>

You can't fault them, the price point they are discussing is the one on SWFA.com and is $1500. At that price it's interesting. Now, at the group buy price that I've been hinted to, interesting becomes irresistible.
 
#327
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I gotcha, even at $1500 it is totally worth it, if this was out to a dealer network or through regular channels I suspect it would be much more expensive. It definitely handles like a much more expensive scope, and I would see it selling for $500 more than listed. In fact I felt the same way about the 10XHD that it was under-sold by them, value wise was much closer to $1200.
 
#328
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now, at the group buy price that I've been hinted to, interesting becomes irresistible. </div></div>

So what's the GB price
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Less than $1499
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#329
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">At that price it's interesting. Now, at the group buy price that I've been hinted to, interesting becomes irresistible. </div></div>

If anyone here owns/runs a marketing firm and happens to be seeking an employee skilled enough to sell a ice cube to a Eskimo.....I think I know a guy....
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-Pat
 
#332
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

Surely there are some clear differences.

But for a working optic, it has a huge eye relief, awesome eye box and when I compared it to the Steiner Military 4-16X here the eye relief was 2x better.

Now people can debate the lack of zero stop, or the illumination but overall, this is an excellent scope worthy to be ranked up with them.

After I check it mechanically, if it is anything like the other SS/HD scopes, it may very well be the best FFP scope for the money out there. When you consider quality, features and then add in the price point, it's a pound for pound contender.
 
#333
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 338LAPUASLAPU</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is this better than the F1? Is this better than the RAZOR? </div></div>

What do you mean better..... In what way

The F1 with the MLR2 reticle to me is the best reticle out there so to me the SS is not better in that way

I think the SS reticle is a little thick
 
#334
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if it is anything like the other SS/HD scopes, it may very well be the best FFP scope for the money out there. When you consider quality, features and then add in the price point, it's a pound for pound contender. </div></div>

Now I know I'm ordering two....
 
#336
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if it is anything like the other SS/HD scopes, it may very well be the best FFP scope for the money out there. When you consider quality, features and then add in the price point, it's a pound for pound contender. </div></div>

Now I know I'm ordering two....</div></div>

Quick get on FB and starting clicking "likes" to the SH page... just a thought as you may see this again.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Snipers-Hide-LLC/368638077952?v=wall
 
#338
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 338LAPUASLAPU</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is this better than the F1? Is this better than the RAZOR? </div></div>

Since SWFA has only released prototypes, it would be hard for anyone to offer an opinion yet as to it's worth relative to the NF F1 or the Vortex Razor. Also since the NF F1 goes for $2299. or so and the Razor for $1999 or so, just what do you expect a $1499. scope to deliver compared to scopes costing $500 and $700 more, performance wise?

However, SWFA has under priced the market with their 3-9x42 FFP, 10x HD, 1-4 HD and now the 5-20x50 HD. I see a trend there......
 
#343
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

I guess my point was value of the SS 10xHD and the kind to me is always similar to the scopes in the price bracket above whatever the offering is, meaning I expect it to be in-line with the F1 and the RAZOR if it keeps in-line with the last two offerings when comparing price to options, quality, fit, feel, function and optical quality, and repeatability, as we know longevity is still not determined the seeming quality of the the HD model is beefy and is by a pretty good margin one of the most well put together internals (turrets/mechanisms) I have ever held in my hand.
 
#344
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've actually made a deal with Brady, he's going to announce the deal on my personal facebook page. I'll have 10,000 new friends and all it cost me was 2 cases of beer. </div></div>
Well played!
 
#348
Re: SWFA Super Sniper 5-20X50HD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've actually made a deal with Brady, he's going to announce the deal on my personal facebook page. I'll have 10,000 new friends and all it cost me was 2 cases of beer.</div></div>

Too funny, I was just joking, looks like 10,000 was the magic number! HA!
 
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