Switching to Froglube
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All that metal penetration is a bunch of bullshit. That is done with coatings such a NIBO, anodizing or similar. The lubes reduce friction which reduces heat and wear. It also in the case of something like fireclean or froglube, apparantly creates a layer between the metal and buildup that makes it easier to clean.
I want to see some real sceintific testing done with comparable and competing products before beliving just about anything defnitivley.
I also would lean towards the advice and experince of someone like the dude from weaponsheild, who is a lubricant specialist in a variety of fields and applications.. Steel Shield Technologies - Advanced Boundary Film Technology -. I have used a bunch of lubes and the only ones I liked were Slip-2000 and Weaponshield.........other than M1S or similar motor oil. The rest (Miltech, remoil, Hopes,ect) all was shit for a variety of reasons.
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Froglube seems to work well and easily. Now, we have Firelube. Are there any substantive data or studies done comparing these two? I want to find the best, but how much better is it and at what cost?
Anyone use the old low-temp weapons lubricant from the Army? I got a bunch of 5 gal cans and wondered if it was complete crap too.
Happy Turkey day
Mike
Anyone use the old low-temp weapons lubricant from the Army? I got a bunch of 5 gal cans and wondered if it was complete crap too.
Happy Turkey day
Mike
Guys, I have been a millwright/reliability tech for 15+ years as well as a cop. What Cobra is saying is spot on. I'm not saying froglube or fireclean are not good products, but not wonder lube has been invented yet as if it had rest assured it would be used on multimillion dollar pieces of equipment like GE gas turbine generators. The most prolific brand of lube (grease or oil) I see in use on any kind of moving part you can think of is Mobil.
I like a light grease on linear bearings. The bearing surfaces of a BCG are linear bearings. I have never seen an application where linear bearings are used that they use oil except in a very clean enviroment. I have seen grease used on linear bearings in enviroments that no gun will ever see. Lumber mills, coal mines, quarrys. The grease does great at handling contaminates and staying, not running off. I like oil on the actual bolt and gas rings as it is pretty much like an engine piston. I use mobil 1 synthetic.
Not saying this to argue, but do not feel that you have to spend tons on a specialty lube for your guns to run.
I like a light grease on linear bearings. The bearing surfaces of a BCG are linear bearings. I have never seen an application where linear bearings are used that they use oil except in a very clean enviroment. I have seen grease used on linear bearings in enviroments that no gun will ever see. Lumber mills, coal mines, quarrys. The grease does great at handling contaminates and staying, not running off. I like oil on the actual bolt and gas rings as it is pretty much like an engine piston. I use mobil 1 synthetic.
Not saying this to argue, but do not feel that you have to spend tons on a specialty lube for your guns to run.
The biggest issue, in regards to this discussion, is that there is a huge amount of leeway for lubricant selection. In industries, there is no such thing as a cleaner/lubricant, you degrade the performance of either when you combine both functions. Motor oil does have a dispersant to carry carbon particles to the filter, but it is certainly not a cleaner. Because lubrication in firearms is much more forgiving, compromises are made and the results are rarely seen.
I have worked in heavy industry for the past 12 years, maintaining lubrication systems on mining equipment that weighs in excess of 4,000,000 lbs. I hold current certifications with the International Council for Machinery Lubrication (ICML) and teach lubrication principals internationally.
In firearms, all that technical stuff doesn't add up to much in actual application. Lubricate the components with something, anything, under casual conditions, most won't know or see the difference. An example of that is found in this thread, a few people impressed by Fireclean and one person is apparently very committed to an oil/gasoline mixture, if that discrepancy isn't crazy I have no idea what is.
I have worked in heavy industry for the past 12 years, maintaining lubrication systems on mining equipment that weighs in excess of 4,000,000 lbs. I hold current certifications with the International Council for Machinery Lubrication (ICML) and teach lubrication principals internationally.
In firearms, all that technical stuff doesn't add up to much in actual application. Lubricate the components with something, anything, under casual conditions, most won't know or see the difference. An example of that is found in this thread, a few people impressed by Fireclean and one person is apparently very committed to an oil/gasoline mixture, if that discrepancy isn't crazy I have no idea what is.
The truth is, you can use just about anything for lubrication. I've trained soldiers from another country that we found out were actually using olive oil on their weapons because they ran out of gun oil.
The point is, most lubricants do one thing, which is lubricate. A few gun specific cleaners lubricants protectants (CLP) do more than just one thing. Unless you are running one of the gun specific CLPs, chances are your lube of choice doesn't make clean up easier and prevent carbon from sticking to your gun parts and or isn't environmentally safe/non toxic like FireClean and even FL is. So comparing a product that does one thing to one that does several is not an apple to apple comparison.
The point is, most lubricants do one thing, which is lubricate. A few gun specific cleaners lubricants protectants (CLP) do more than just one thing. Unless you are running one of the gun specific CLPs, chances are your lube of choice doesn't make clean up easier and prevent carbon from sticking to your gun parts and or isn't environmentally safe/non toxic like FireClean and even FL is. So comparing a product that does one thing to one that does several is not an apple to apple comparison.
So after whole debate who uses what, how the often and where let's take a step back and look at what the OP said...
So he already decided to do it. Brotha, did you get your answer after going through all the shit?
Another post tracked by the government.
So he already decided to do it. Brotha, did you get your answer after going through all the shit?
Another post tracked by the government.
There was an interesting experiment last year from one of TOS on corrosion resistance of many "wonder lubes" out there vs some common ones as well. It seemed as though some pretty good controls were used and these are the results after just 5 days of exposure with daily salt water misting:
Link to the thread: Corrosion Testing (New Pics - 5-08-12)
Just a test of corrosion resistance, but good info nonetheless.
Link to the thread: Corrosion Testing (New Pics - 5-08-12)
Just a test of corrosion resistance, but good info nonetheless.
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I really liked Frog lube until my last match, when we started shooting it was 6 degrees and got up to the high teens in the afternoon. I'm glad I had some Hoppe's 9 to clean my bolt off with, it saved the day.
Scott
Scott
