That Hitler meth must be hitting the perfect spot this time of year after you just finished huffing the last few grams of Russian gas.Hope nobody is holding out for a tremor 3 in a 636prolly be $9999.99
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That Hitler meth must be hitting the perfect spot this time of year after you just finished huffing the last few grams of Russian gas.
When I get everything else here, I will probably need to either borrow a 8-40 ZCO from someone or buy one.
Fer fuck’s sake. S&B has jumped the shark that has the jumped a shark. What a bunch greedy Boston steamers.Hope nobody is holding out for a tremor 3 in a 636
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That's correct, Schmidt clearly has it out against the USA, they did this around 2017 if memory serves and after their sales tanked they lowered their prices, they seem intent on keeping them crazy. As much as I like EO, I do not like that they are the sole distributor in the USA, I think that really hurt Schmidt.I guess it’s only in the US that prices have exploded…
Capitalism.
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Wow, I think I need to get a job like yours. Good on you. Let us know which is best.
Yep...No worries..
"Which is best" is always relative at this level, it's more about which features are going to suit you more or fit your style of shooting. TT has toolless turrets, if this is going on a switch barrel rifle like an AI then this can be a time saver when switching between barrels and not having to dig through the range bag to find the right hex key to change your zero. If this isn't going on a switch barrel then it may not be that big of a deal. Schmidt offers locking and MTC clicks, will this be important to you, then this might sway you more in that direction. As you've mentioned before, you seem to prefer the P5FL reticle over the others, so for that reason alone it seems like you've already built a case around the Schmidt. Will it really make a difference if you hear the TT can resolve 3 extra lines on a resolution chart vs. the Schmidt? I would argue that the "preferred" reticle is going to help you more...
Appreciate that, this is good information to have. Regarding the scopes, what was the diopter process you used to dial each of them in? Years ago I used to do the recommended method of max mag, parallax at infinity and look at a clear sky or blank wall, but a number of years ago another Hide'r recommended fine tuning of the diopter on targets and it changed everything. I have a feeling that certain people like myself have such a huge range where the reticle appears to be in focus using the sky method that the diopter was never really getting set appropriately for my eye, I used to think the diopter was only for adjusting the reticle focus, but it manages so much more and I've since realized a poor diopter setting can make the difference between this scope looks great and this scope sucks. Being in Australia makes it a pain to have to deal with warranty issues where the scopes have to be sent back to the states and I'm sure that played a factor, but I do know that ZCO USA has really bent over backwards to address any issues in a timely manner. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and experiences with ZCO, having negative experiences with multiple scopes certainly puts a damper on wanting to invest further. Also, I'm guessing you will get some serious backlash for your comments as honest as they are. Obviously, plenty of shooters have been very happy with their ZCO's with better experiences than yours and they will likely come to ZCO's defense in this case, but your experience is something that nobody can deny and it is unfortunate that you had to go through all that; I will say this, you have one good dealer down there who allowed you to return these purchases and pursue a different route, that is extremely helpful to have a dealer on your side.
I have always set the diopter by actually using a LOW power such as 10x or such....i check at this power that ALL the reticle is sharply defined and in focus , then i look at a white piece of paper with a checkerboard grid at 100yds and check for reticle focus and main focus.......NEVER had and issues doing this..
Regarding adjusting the diopter:
This is why i like this site. Good post and I couldn't agree more.
P5FL..... I had the Grid2 on an 5-25...thought i would like it but when i got it i found it just to distracting. Sort of like looking through a fly wire screen door.
Keep in mind that ZCO scopes for the US market are typically assembled in the US, while ZCO scopes for the rest of the world are typically assembled in Austria. While in theory it should make now difference, in practice it might.
I am glad this method is working for you. I have been beating the drum of "your eyes are a part of the optical system along with the riflescope" for probably around two decades now without a ton of luck. If I had a dollar for every time I heard from people that because I do not have as much field experience as they do, they could not care less what I tell them, I'd be retired by now.
You are better off than many
. You might try adjusting slightly at long range too, 700-1000 yards and see if parallax and focus settle a little more as well. This is what I refer to as fine tuning, I do 100 yards as well.
I was not aware of that, I’m assuming rest of the world has to send scopes back to Austria for warranty which also not too convenient for Aussies. I agree it should not make a difference but I also know some US owners have had similar issues, maybe not to the extent of our friend down under but mechanical and optical issues. Post above about TT seals being defective and issues some have had with Schmidt. Fact of the matter is the second law of thermodynamics at work. Nothing is perfect and if you expect it to be then you’re in for a difficult journey. Warranty and have quick turn around and pleasant service makes a difference.
Parts probably made and doesn’t meet criteria for content to label MUSA after assembly here.
My 3-27 may have had fuzzy edges, I’d have to look at some of my reticle pics to verify. I had the GR2ID reticle, but 3-27 and 5-45 are 9x erector scopes that push the extreme of magnification. IIRC my 5-45 was better than the 3-27 with distortion at edges. I don’t own either of those scopes anymore.
Still have my S&B 3-27 PMII ( Pantone ) and "2" 5-25 PMII,s
Thanks for that. I was searching up on a 3-27. It was either that or another TT in 525 for my next scope. But I think I wanna wait till the 735 comes live now after reading about it in this thread.
I spoke to Ilya about the outer portion of the reticle on my M7Xi that exhibited the same thing. He said it's common for FFP scopes with high erector ratios and wide FOV. Maybe @koshkin can educate us a little more on it.
Yes I did compare Schmidt 5-45 to the March HM 5-42. March had better center resolution but worse edge resolution, March has wide FOV which likely contributes to the lack of edge detail. Overall I liked the Schmidt better, but it costs significantly more and is quite a bit larger scope, if neither of those things detract you then I do think it is the better overall scope. If you can handle the edge distortion and somewhat finicky parallax of the March then you may be pleasantly surprised.
That very much mimics my conclusions with my Schmidt 3-27
Again, same here, 5-25 performs much better optically than 3-27.
You will be pleasantly surprised, I do think the TT is a step above Schmidt.
I am hoping it has better optics than their whole line and approaches TT level of resolution and clarity. I have confidence it will be better than the 3-27.
Yes I was able to snag a pre-owned one on here or LRH a couple years ago.
Reticles are certainly very personal. I think on paper, the FML-TR1 and the Zeiss ZF MRi are the best tree reticles I've seen.
The FML-TR1 is a great crossover design, the tree is designed to "disappear" when not in use which opens up more usable space within the sight picture; however, March also has the FML-PDK reticle which is what I would call a more traditional competition oriented design. My personal preference is toward the crossover design, so the FML-TR1 and TT Gen3 XR have been my fav's but there are others like the Mil-XT and EBR-7D, basically anything with dots in the tree vs. solid horizontal lines. But reticle preference is more like chocolate vs. vanilla than anything else.
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I'm sure it varies by product, but a minimum percentage of value has to be added to be called Made in USA.
Maybe Schmidt and Bender should consider that to bring down their astronomical pricing for the USA.
