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Rifle Scopes Tangent Theta 5-25X56 w/ Gen 3 XR Center Dot Size

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Cold_Bore_88

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I would really like to snag one of these scopes for my AI AX. Constantly swapping barrels back and forth is a pain when resetting the turrets. Hence my interest in the TT. My main concern is the center dot of the TT. The diameter of the dot is .075 mrad vs other reticles with a .05 or even .03.

Brushing off the old geometry skills I see that the TT center dot is over double the area relative to the smaller dots. Has anyone had an issues with this? Does anyone have a side by side of the size difference through the scope? Hard to find one to look through.

Any and all input is appreciated.
 
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AIKNOWU said:
This 100%. Love the larger dot.
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I’ll be the 3rd to confirm this, I own 3 TT gen3’s and the dot is not as bad as it seems in drawings and hearing about it, I prefer it over other smaller dots and most of us in competition shoot between 10-15 power and the the dot size in that zoom range in my opinion is a lot better. Definitely do not let the dot hold you back from the finest optic out there.
And yes I own a Zero Compromise
 
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Perceptiv said:
I’ll be the 3rd to confirm this, I own 3 TT gen3’s and the dot is not as bad as it seems in drawings and hearing about it, I prefer it over other smaller dots and most of us in competition shoot between 10-15 power and the the dot size in that zoom range in my opinion is a lot better. Definitely do not let the dot hold you back from the finest optic out there.
And yes I own a Zero Compromise
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Thanks for the feedback. I can relate to the competition shooting. I run in that 12-20x. My brother in law got his ZCO 420 in today. Want to check it out. Hard to beat the tool-less zero on an AI though.
 
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Cold_Bore_88 said:
Thanks for the feedback. I can relate to the competition shooting. I run in that 12-20x. My brother in law got his ZCO 420 in today. Want to check it out. Hard to beat the tool-less zero on an AI though.
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Yea I got one on both my multi cal rifles axmc and Kraken, and it feels like it was made for them. I think everybody who has gotten a gen3xr has been happy with it and the posts that I’ve seen on here all seem to be that the dot is alot better in person then what it seems in the drawing and hearing about it, I don’t think I’ve seen a bad review really of the dot size from a TT owner. If you are in the market for one I highly recommend pulling the trigger on it and you will absolutely not regret it.
 
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Dendro said:
I actually prefer the bigger dot, maybe I’m in the minority on that. The small dots are hard for me to pick up easily on certain backgrounds.
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Yep, I'm with Dendro here, prefer the larger dot. Can't even see the MPCT and SKMR dots, MR4 barely visible to my eyes, conditions have to be just right, but with Gen 3XR and FML-TR1, very easy to pick up. Keep in mind, if you hold for wind you will barely use the center dot so it may be a moot point, if you dial wind, I would prefer the larger dot.
 
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PS - I can take some through the scope images of the Gen 3XR reticle, but I've sold all my small dot reticle scopes, I might have some TTS images of the MR4 somewhere I might be able to dig up.
 
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Here are a few through the scope pics with varying reticles, may not be the most helpful as I don’t recall scope mag or distance of items, but gives some perspective.

After having a few scopes I prefer the .05 center dot over the .03 and .075 but the TT gen3xr center dot was easy to find quickly at lower mag ranges.

@Glassaholic can probably help more with precise mag pics
 

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Like others have stated, I enjoy the larger dot on my TT. The other scope in my possession is a Vortex Razor and I dislike the minute size of the dot. The Tool-less re zero is useful as well! It saves me loads of time when I don't shoot suppressed.
 
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khuber84 said:
Man I have no problems with small 0.036 dots in a kahles, do like the 0.05 in the minox and mk5hd pr2-mil. I see not issues with 0.075, my hunting scope has a 0.1 and works great for game. Not the best for target.
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That used to be me as well, I got my first Kahles Gen III K624i with SKMR when I was about 45, and had no issues with the fine dot, but I suppose age caught up to me because now I have more difficulty with them.
 
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Glassaholic said:
Yep, I'm with Dendro here, prefer the larger dot. Can't even see the MPCT and SKMR dots, MR4 barely visible to my eyes, conditions have to be just right, but with Gen 3XR and FML-TR1, very easy to pick up. Keep in mind, if you hold for wind you will barely use the center dot so it may be a moot point, if you dial wind, I would prefer the larger dot.
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I love the MR4. It is probably why I gravitate towards the Gen 3XR. The trees are "simple".
 
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So what are the major differences between the Gen3 XR and the Gen3 XR fine? Why was the fine created? What are the advantages? Figured I’d ask here instead of starting a new thread, couldn’t find one about it.
 
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Islas82 said:
So what are the major differences between the Gen3 XR and the Gen3 XR fine? Why was the fine created? What are the advantages? Figured I’d ask here instead of starting a new thread, couldn’t find one about it.
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No idea. I didn’t know they had that yet. I bought mine about 1 year ago. The larger dot isn’t bad at all.
 
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That is my only complaint with my ZCO. The 0.0375 center dot at lower magnification is hard for my 60yo eyes to see even though my vision is not that bad. My 7-35 ATACR is 0.05 and is better. I am strongly leaning towards buying a TT at some point soon and believe that the 0.075 mil center dot to be pretty nice although I haven't seen one up close
 
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The dot size on my gen3xr is honestly the ONLY thing i like ab it better than the MR4 in my zp5. I love both reticles but would prefer the MR4, minus the center dot. I think the dot size in the TT is the perfect size. Thats just my .02
 
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BLKWLFK9 said:
The dot size on my gen3xr is honestly the ONLY thing i like ab it better than the MR4 in my zp5. I love both reticles but would prefer the MR4, minus the center dot. I think the dot size in the TT is the perfect size. Thats just my .02
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I love the MR4. I think the ZP5 is my favorite scope I own (S&B, ZCO, TT, NF). I gravitate towards the Minox and TT the most.
 
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I’m in the minority with hating reticles with a dot in the center and open around it (like the gen3xr, ZCO MPCT’s, SKMR3, etc)

I like crosshairs. Wish they offered the Gen 2 mil dot in the 5-25 TT’s although the Gen 2xr isn’t bad
 
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Glassaholic said:
Thicker cross so you can measure from center more easily?
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I’ll be honest I don’t do a lot of measuring with the reticle. My main style of shooting is hunting or target shooting off a bench at known distances. A clean reticle like Gen 2 mildot or 2xr for hunting is perfect for me, not cluttered and easy to see.

I can’t for the life of me see that dot if I’m not within the top 10-15% of the power range on the scope. I just see a massive open center. Which for hunting with quick opportunity shots, I stay low-mid to lower end of the power range for better FOV
 
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My only "issue" with my ZCO's is the size if that dot. It's just a little too small. I like the floating dot a lot, but if it were maybe 50% bigger, it would be perfect for me.
 
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HenryTheAce said:
I’ll be honest I don’t do a lot of measuring with the reticle. My main style of shooting is hunting or target shooting off a bench at known distances. A clean reticle like Gen 2 mildot or 2xr for hunting is perfect for me, not cluttered and easy to see.

I can’t for the life of me see that dot if I’m not within the top 10-15% of the power range on the scope. I just see a massive open center. Which for hunting with quick opportunity shots, I stay low-mid to lower end of the power range for better FOV
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Ya. I can understand that. I need to enjoy my young eyes while I still can!
 
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HenryTheAce said:
I’ll be honest I don’t do a lot of measuring with the reticle. My main style of shooting is hunting or target shooting off a bench at known distances. A clean reticle like Gen 2 mildot or 2xr for hunting is perfect for me, not cluttered and easy to see.

I can’t for the life of me see that dot if I’m not within the top 10-15% of the power range on the scope. I just see a massive open center. Which for hunting with quick opportunity shots, I stay low-mid to lower end of the power range for better FOV
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Yep, right there with you.
 
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Here's the thing, I have a Gen 2XR. Been using it for years. The X/Y axis are 0.025 MRAD or 0.09 inches at 100 yards. Which actually works for shooting small groups since the lines are quite fine. The 3XR's center dot is 0.075 MRAd or 0.27 inches at 100 yards. That's odd, because I can shoot smaller groups than that. Like 0.12 MOA. So the center dot on that reticle would be larger than the group I'm shooting, which might make it hard to see my bullet holes on paper. The 3XR Fine's center dot is 0.05 MRAD, or 0.18 inches at 100 yards. I guess that's better because I could see more of a 3-5 shot group. But still much larger than the Gen 2XR.

I'm happy with the 2XR, but I've always wanted a center dot reticle. But not if the center dot is going to make it more difficult to shoot tiny groups. And really... tiny groups make me horny haha

Maybe the center dot is better at distance? Wish I could try one before buying.
 
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