Tangoinnos Fire4000

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    #1
    Has anyone been following this range finder, it seem like a solid unit with a great feature set at what seems like a reasonable price point.

    TANGO FIRE4000 BALLISTIC COMPUTER​

    Key Features​

    Alliance with Applied Ballistic
    We develop our own app (AB Synapse - BOSS) and ally with Applied Ballistic. There are different models of software applications. Search for AB Synapse – Boss or BOSS on both Apple iOS and Android, Google Play.
    1. FIRE4000 UltraLite (For Hunting)
    2. FIRE4000 Sportsman (For Sport Training)
    3. FIRE4000 Elite (For Long Professional Shooting)

    OLED Display
    The built-in laser rangefinder can quickly measure the target distance and angle, displaying the results on the OLED screen. Additionally, there is a setting for adjusting the screen brightness.

    Vertical and Horizontal Screen
    There are settings for both Vertical and Horizontal screens, available on both the left and right sides. To adjust the screen direction, long press for 2 seconds to cycle through the 1-2-3 options.

    Invisible Laser and Visible Laser
    The invisible laser, Class 1 with a wavelength of 905nm, is used for measuring distances up to 4000 yards.
    The visible laser, Class 2 with a wavelength of 635nm, is utilized for zeroing in on targets and measuring distances up to 100 yards.

    Battery Performance
    Battery Model : CR123A 3V
    Installation : Battery "+" facing inward, "-" facing outward.




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    #3
    Looks super interesting! It might address some of my primary complaints with my Vortex Impact 4000, namely the size and bulk, and the remote.

    That being said, does this unit have on board meteorological sensors, inclinometer/declinometer, bearing/heading compass, etc for a full parameter fed firing solution, minus wind?
     
    #4
    yakmastermax said:
    Looks super interesting! It might address some of my primary complaints with my Vortex Impact 4000, namely the size and bulk, and the remote.

    That being said, does this unit have on board meteorological sensors, inclinometer/declinometer, bearing/heading compass, etc for a full parameter fed firing solution, minus wind?
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    I’m waiting to hear back about what they packed into this in regards to sensors, I know it’ll doing angles but beyond that I’m not sure.

    I did see this while reading the manual for it.
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    NHPiper said:
    Read through the manual as well. It looks to me like it may be Chinesium, which I personally don't love. Vortex is a known supporter of the industry with a world class guarantee.
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    I have a feeling that might be the case, I guess time will tell if it’s worth the risk of chinesium LRF. I wanted to grab one when I heard the price when they open the preorder up, but I’ll give it sometime to let other people take the risk off the bat.
     
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    yakmastermax said:
    Looks super interesting! It might address some of my primary complaints with my Vortex Impact 4000, namely the size and bulk, and the remote.

    That being said, does this unit have on board meteorological sensors, inclinometer/declinometer, bearing/heading compass, etc for a full parameter fed firing solution, minus wind?
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    So they got back to me, the only thing onboard is the inclinometer/declinometer with everything thing else coming via the app or kestrel. So that’s mildly annoying since it’s not going to be a standalone device, but I guess it could be worse.
     
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    #9
    NHPiper said:
    To me that totally defeats the purpose. Too bad, would have been nice to see some competition here. I'm not going to run a paired kestrel and stick it in a pocket for atmospherics to get messed up.
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    Yeah, I’d rather not be tethered to something else to supply environmental conditions and somehow I’d manage to mess up. I mean if you’re going to run a kestrel on a tripod with the weather vain then it’s cool but definitely defeats what I’d be looking to do with it.
     
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    #10
    King_beardsly said:
    So they got back to me, the only thing onboard is the inclinometer/declinometer with everything thing else coming via the app or kestrel. So that’s mildly annoying since it’s not going to be a standalone device, but I guess it could be worse.
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    A compass would’ve been nice for a direction of fire solution…assuming you could input wind speed and direction into the unit.

    But hear me out on the other sensors.

    With my kestrel (a 3500), I can’t just leave it out in the sun and expect an accurate reading. And the relative humidity is quickly affected if I pick the unit up.


    The barometer, unsurprisingly, doesn’t seem to be affected by handling or being left out in the sun.

    So I’m not sure having those sensors in the WMLRF is all that advantageous to me. Besides the sun beating down on it, there will be heat coming off both the gun and my operating hand.

    Higher volume varmint shooter here, so the gun will often be quite warm.

    Plus, I imagine the humidity from my operating hand might affect readings from a WMLRF, as well as combustion gases venting out of the chamber might have some effect.

    Anyway, my point is it seems to this noob you’d have to manually input some important environmentals into the unit anyway, so having sensors onboard might not be all that advantageous.

    That’s also why I don’t think having a full suite of environmentals in your binos is a game changer either.
     
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    #12
    King_beardsly said:
    Yeah, I’d rather not be tethered to something else to supply environmental conditions and somehow I’d manage to mess up. I mean if you’re going to run a kestrel on a tripod with the weather vain then it’s cool but definitely defeats what I’d be looking to do with it.
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    It kinda depends if it needs to be tethered/paired at all times in order to give you dope or if you could just transfer the environmentals (and lock them) and then just pair and update every few hours or so (or as you feel temps change drastically). Has anyone hinted at a price point?
     
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    #14
    Really, all I really need is the range (in either line of sight and calculated with the angle), angle, and maybe some different scan settings.

    Basically just what a “dumb” mid-fi rangefinder provides. Like my Vortex Fury non-AB.

    Currently I just range, look at my dope that’s attached to my gun, hold elevation and wind, and fire. A WMLRF would (obviously) allow me to not come off my gun to my binos if I see a new pdog through the scope that’s significantly closer or further away.

    A unit like I describe would be cheaper as it has no ballistic engine in it, plus I can get the environmentals from my cheaper kestrel.

    I use the gun MPH wind method and have already trued my dope out to 500 yards on steel. That’s my max typical pdog range, although I’ve tried longer lol. I only use a ballistic computer when truing or when writing out dope cards for different environmentals.
     
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    #16
    This looks VERY interesting. Not too worried about linking it to the Kestrel. I currently use the Kestrel linked to my Binos anyway. If this only needs to sync long enough to pull an update that's perfect. This would be less to carry and no transitioning to the gun. The AB software is huge, Borrowed a Vortex from a friend and the Geo Ballistics leaves a ton to be desired. I have faith in the AB and it is used for EVERY discipline I shoot.
    Does anyone have know anybody with one currently?
    Does anyone know where to get one at? Don't see a "buy it" link on the website.
     
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    #17
    Ken Miller said:
    This looks VERY interesting. Not too worried about linking it to the Kestrel. I currently use the Kestrel linked to my Binos anyway. If this only needs to sync long enough to pull an update that's perfect. This would be less to carry and no transitioning to the gun. The AB software is huge, Borrowed a Vortex from a friend and the Geo Ballistics leaves a ton to be desired. I have faith in the AB and it is used for EVERY discipline I shoot.
    Does anyone have know anybody with one currently?
    Does anyone know where to get one at? Don't see a "buy it" link on the website.
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    They haven’t officially been released for sale yet, but there is an email list to let you know when they are available. I know the dude from T-Rex arms got to test and seemed to enjoy it.
     
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    Street prices on used Impact 4000s are close to $1000, maybe $1100, on the PX. So this would need to be significantly under that to catch my attention. Vortex has a rock solid reputation of taking care of their clients and a unit that pulls environmental data.

    If it does, then I agree here it would be great on a gun with dope written down, like a Mk12 or gas gun. Not sure ai want to deal with linking to a Kestrel.

    Now if they can add in a VCSEL IR to the unit like a kiji 3 with an adjustable and/or focusable head, then I would be very excited.

    Hope MMM gets one to review soon.

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    #24
    NHPiper said:
    Street prices on used Impact 4000s are close to $1000, maybe $1100, on the PX. So this would need to be significantly under that to catch my attention. Vortex has a rock solid reputation of taking care of their clients and a unit that pulls environmental data.

    If it does, then I agree here it would be great on a gun with dope written down, like a Mk12 or gas gun. Not sure ai want to deal with linking to a Kestrel.

    Now if they can add in a VCSEL IR to the unit like a kiji 3 with an adjustable and/or focusable head, then I would be very excited.

    Hope MMM gets one to review soon.

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    The jury is still out as we are still waiting to get our pre-orders and will definitely update when those land, but the way Doc explained it on the other thread, you don't need to pair to Kestrel/App unless you want to constantly update atmospheric data, which i keep mine locked on the Kestrel anyways and update manually as needed.

    AB and smaller size will come at a slight premium over the Vortex, I think that part makes sense to me.

    As far as the VCSEL, am i the only one who thinks the VCSEL units fall short of FP focusable laser illum at 500yds plus? Either way, yes, IR illum on board would take it over the top for clipon use 100%.
     
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    skyewalker said:
    The jury is still out as we are still waiting to get our pre-orders and will definitely update when those land, but the way Doc explained it on the other thread, you don't need to pair to Kestrel/App unless you want to constantly update atmospheric data, which i keep mine locked on the Kestrel anyways and update manually as needed.

    AB and smaller size will come at a slight premium over the Vortex, I think that part makes sense to me.

    As far as the VCSEL, am i the only one who thinks the VCSEL units fall short of FP focusable laser illum at 500yds plus? Either way, yes, IR illum on board would take it over the top for clipon use 100%.
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    I think the kiji falls short. It's not useable in 50% of conditions past 300yds and because it can't focus, it blooms and becomes useless. A head that can get down to 2' and is adjusting may make the difference to get to 500.
     
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    NHPiper said:
    I think the kiji falls short. It's not useable in 50% of conditions past 300yds and because it can't focus, it blooms and becomes useless. A head that can get down to 2' and is adjusting may make the difference to get to 500.
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    To clarify, I am talking exclusively about use with a clip on. I'm sure it's great with a fighting carbine.
     
    #33
    skyewalker said:
    I got on the preorder. Just spent 30 min fucking with it and…. Well I think we might have a winner. More to follow
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    Good to hear, I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts on it. The screen looks great. I'm curious to see how well it holds zero. I only trust my Impact 4000 zero since I put it on a gas gun while running drills for a while and then checked zero afterwards. I was shocked to find it in exactly the same place I left it.
     
    #34
    cake5150 said:
    Good to hear, I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts on it. The screen looks great. I'm curious to see how well it holds zero. I only trust my Impact 4000 zero since I put it on a gas gun while running drills for a while and then checked zero afterwards. I was shocked to find it in exactly the same place I left it.
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    I won’t be able to speak on that probably until after some higher round classes I have set up in March. This will start off on my MWS 6.5 for that reason, if it can survive that it can definitely handle my 556 and heavy bolt guns
     
    #36
    I bought a vortex over this. I trust vortex more as a long term solution even though I wanted to stay AB.

    I ran a good couple of tests and GeoBallistics lines up perfect to my ab data, plus I can use two firing solutions if I shoot ELR with geo and AB on my kestrel. I may have been more interested but this and the Magpul/maztech aren’t undercutting the $1500 vortex price point (I know this isn’t msrp but it was intro price and easy to find here)
     
    #37
    This is 1400 msrp so yeah it's undercutting the Vortex even though not by much. The AB/Kestrel connectivity is what swayed me but to your point, it's good to finally have options in this price range/capability set. Would be nice to see some smaller/lighter units come out in the next couple of years for sure..
     
    #39
    JKGTR said:
    Where are people ordering these?
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    #41
    dgheriani said:
    It kinda depends if it needs to be tethered/paired at all times in order to give you dope or if you could just transfer the environmentals (and lock them) and then just pair and update every few hours or so (or as you feel temps change drastically). Has anyone hinted at a price point?
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    Anyone confirmed if this is the case? For use on my praire dog gun this would be more than adequate to just update enviro every so often.
     
    #42
    Bravo6niner said:
    Anyone confirmed if this is the case? For use on my praire dog gun this would be more than adequate to just update enviro every so often.
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    Yeah that’s correct, it needs to be in ABI (ab internal) mode which means you input the enviro conditions on the phone app and even if you disconnect from phone it’s still using that data in the unit itself until you update again with the app
     
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    #43
    skyewalker said:
    Yeah that’s correct, it needs to be in ABI (ab internal) mode which means you input the enviro conditions on the phone app and even if you disconnect from phone it’s still using that data in the unit itself until you update again with the app
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    Awesome!!! I have a mars and a non-ab raptar currently and I get tired of moving them around. This would be a perfect unit for a few of my applications.
     
    #44
    Mine arrived a couple days ago. So far loving everything about it. Super fast returns out to 1115y on a power pole small transformer. Data is, of course, spot on when paired to Kestrel 5700X.

    My only complaint so far is the straight plug on the remote. I ordered a spare (at $50), just in case bad shit happens. I will see if I can find a 90 degree plug to replace the straight one.

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