wanted to know if any of can give me some name's and #'s to attorneys that can set up a revocable living trust in Texas. I've been reading that some that used the do it your self software's(don't know the name) have gotten approved but then confiscated because the info was wrong. I would rather pay up and be on the safe side then regretting it later. I've tried calling around but when I explain what I'm trying to do, they have no clue. I've used the search here on the hide, yahoo, and google and have not had any luck. Thanks in advance
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Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs.Lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've been reading that some that used the do it your self software's(don't know the name) have gotten approved but then confiscated because the info was wrong. </div></div>
I've heard this a fair amount, but have never actually seen someone post a first hand account of it. It's always an "I read" or an "I heard" story. I think it's internet myth started by attorneys who want to create a trust for you.
Quicken Will Maker is what I used and all my suppressors are still in the safe.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs.Lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've been reading that some that used the do it your self software's(don't know the name) have gotten approved but then confiscated because the info was wrong. </div></div>
I've heard this a fair amount, but have never actually seen someone post a first hand account of it. It's always an "I read" or an "I heard" story. I think it's internet myth started by attorneys who want to create a trust for you.
Quicken Will Maker is what I used and all my suppressors are still in the safe.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
BATFE and Seizure From Invalid NFA Trust
Last week there was an issue where an individual was contacted by the ATF in an effort to seize his Title II firearms because of an irregularity with his Trust. A Gun Trust Lawyer reviewed, amended, and restated the trust in question, creating a valid and enforceable trust that deals with the unique issues of NFA Firearms ownership, transfer, and possession. The BATFE had a justifiable reason to pursue the forfeiture action and the original reports on the subguns forum were accurate. After discussions with the BATFE and presentation of a valid Trust the BATFE decided to cease and desist their forfeiture action at this time and the individual is no longer in jeopardy of having his items seized, being arrested, or being fined. The BATFE and individual have requested that the details not be disclosed. The BATFE does not want to jeopardize similar ongoing investigations involving invalid trusts. We can state that the issues involved with this action have been covered elsewhere on this website.
If you created a trust with Quicken or Legal Zoom, you should follow Legal Zoom's and Intuit's advice and have your trust reviewed by an attorney to avoid potential problems. The creators of these programs did not anticipate that individuals would be using the documents in situations that could result in criminal liability.
You may choose to have the trust reviewed to determine if the trust is valid, or reviewed to see if there are issues with the NFA that are not dealt with in your trust, but either way it is important to have your trust reviewed by someone who is familiar with estate planning as well as the NFA.
BATFE and Seizure From Invalid NFA Trust
Last week there was an issue where an individual was contacted by the ATF in an effort to seize his Title II firearms because of an irregularity with his Trust. A Gun Trust Lawyer reviewed, amended, and restated the trust in question, creating a valid and enforceable trust that deals with the unique issues of NFA Firearms ownership, transfer, and possession. The BATFE had a justifiable reason to pursue the forfeiture action and the original reports on the subguns forum were accurate. After discussions with the BATFE and presentation of a valid Trust the BATFE decided to cease and desist their forfeiture action at this time and the individual is no longer in jeopardy of having his items seized, being arrested, or being fined. The BATFE and individual have requested that the details not be disclosed. The BATFE does not want to jeopardize similar ongoing investigations involving invalid trusts. We can state that the issues involved with this action have been covered elsewhere on this website.
If you created a trust with Quicken or Legal Zoom, you should follow Legal Zoom's and Intuit's advice and have your trust reviewed by an attorney to avoid potential problems. The creators of these programs did not anticipate that individuals would be using the documents in situations that could result in criminal liability.
You may choose to have the trust reviewed to determine if the trust is valid, or reviewed to see if there are issues with the NFA that are not dealt with in your trust, but either way it is important to have your trust reviewed by someone who is familiar with estate planning as well as the NFA.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
can we use this, and can I use just the cd or need the book?
Quicken WillMaker Plus 2008 [OLD VERSION]
can we use this, and can I use just the cd or need the book?
Quicken WillMaker Plus 2008 [OLD VERSION]
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
Again....it's someone (who?) talking about someone else. I've never seen someone come online and say "Holy shit, the ATF knocked on my door (or called me) and my trust has issues". I'd still like to see/hear it first hand.
I think there's a 2009 or 2010 version now, but the CD is all you need.
There's a trust example here you could copy.
http://www.hooperordnance.com/page3.aspx
Again....it's someone (who?) talking about someone else. I've never seen someone come online and say "Holy shit, the ATF knocked on my door (or called me) and my trust has issues". I'd still like to see/hear it first hand.
I think there's a 2009 or 2010 version now, but the CD is all you need.
There's a trust example here you could copy.
http://www.hooperordnance.com/page3.aspx
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
Mrs Lazy, can anyone explain to me how this works, and how it helps? I have heard about it and have not found much info on it.
Mrs Lazy, can anyone explain to me how this works, and how it helps? I have heard about it and have not found much info on it.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
howdy from a fellow Texan Mrs. Lazy21. I just asked the same question in the Members Link up section under DFW Shooters. Maybe try posting for Houston and see if someone in the area can give you a hand. Take care and happy shooting.
howdy from a fellow Texan Mrs. Lazy21. I just asked the same question in the Members Link up section under DFW Shooters. Maybe try posting for Houston and see if someone in the area can give you a hand. Take care and happy shooting.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
wickedfish, lazy21 is trying to find out the same so we wouldn't be much help, the reason I asked if I can use the 08 old version because you can find it for under 5 bucks on amazon
wickedfish, lazy21 is trying to find out the same so we wouldn't be much help, the reason I asked if I can use the 08 old version because you can find it for under 5 bucks on amazon
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
I used this guy. He is also a C3 dealer.
Sean Cody
Attorney at Law
440 Louisiana St., Suite 1900
Houston, TX 77002
(O) 281.451.4175
(F) 713.513.5918
www.HoustonAttorney.org
www.TexasNFATrust.com
www.AtomicLabRat.com
I used this guy. He is also a C3 dealer.
Sean Cody
Attorney at Law
440 Louisiana St., Suite 1900
Houston, TX 77002
(O) 281.451.4175
(F) 713.513.5918
www.HoustonAttorney.org
www.TexasNFATrust.com
www.AtomicLabRat.com
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
81STFACP, lazy just called Cody and he said he will do the trust and the form 1 for $500, would you guy's say that reasonable for a professional to handle it?
81STFACP, lazy just called Cody and he said he will do the trust and the form 1 for $500, would you guy's say that reasonable for a professional to handle it?
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
Mrs.Lazy21..That is exactly the software I used, I can't remember if the version was 08 or 09, but so far there has been no issues at all with it and the ATF. I've purchased a bunch of cans and 3 SBRs so far with it and once the trust is up and going it's ridiculously easy to go the NFA route. I would think the ATF reviews the trust before they approve it the first time. Maybe I'm giving them more credit than they deserve. God knows the ATF does change it's mind from time to time about various issues. BTW I'm NOT in TX, but the software makes you choose what state you are in and then asks for the necessary information.
Mrs.Lazy21..That is exactly the software I used, I can't remember if the version was 08 or 09, but so far there has been no issues at all with it and the ATF. I've purchased a bunch of cans and 3 SBRs so far with it and once the trust is up and going it's ridiculously easy to go the NFA route. I would think the ATF reviews the trust before they approve it the first time. Maybe I'm giving them more credit than they deserve. God knows the ATF does change it's mind from time to time about various issues. BTW I'm NOT in TX, but the software makes you choose what state you are in and then asks for the necessary information.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
lazy21 (julio) worked with a attorney couple years back and just got off the phone with him, he said he has the software to do it and will help. Lazy is going to stop by his office tomorrow and hopefully get it going. Now another question, where do you get the right form/forms to send to the atf with your trust? if everything go's well this will be the rifle he turns into a sbr
(just finished it and then decided to go another route)
lazy21 (julio) worked with a attorney couple years back and just got off the phone with him, he said he has the software to do it and will help. Lazy is going to stop by his office tomorrow and hopefully get it going. Now another question, where do you get the right form/forms to send to the atf with your trust? if everything go's well this will be the rifle he turns into a sbr
(just finished it and then decided to go another route)
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
When you purchase a can or other NFA item your SOT will most likely fill out the necessary forms, as serial numbers, FFL numbers, etc are needed on the form. For manufacturing an SBR, like an AR where you won't have a dealer involved...you can download the forums from the internet or they are available to order on the ATF site.
Form 4
Form 1
These are PDF files you can complete on the computer and/or print out.
When you purchase a can or other NFA item your SOT will most likely fill out the necessary forms, as serial numbers, FFL numbers, etc are needed on the form. For manufacturing an SBR, like an AR where you won't have a dealer involved...you can download the forums from the internet or they are available to order on the ATF site.
Form 4
Form 1
These are PDF files you can complete on the computer and/or print out.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
Please stop pretending to be a girl.....
We know its you Julio.
Please stop pretending to be a girl.....
We know its you Julio.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
Lazy21, a NFA Trust done on software, the BATF, Lazy's cobbled together firearms and his friends brother's uncle that he was trying to buy stolen guns from . I will be monitoring CNN for his photo op.
Lazy21, a NFA Trust done on software, the BATF, Lazy's cobbled together firearms and his friends brother's uncle that he was trying to buy stolen guns from . I will be monitoring CNN for his photo op.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please stop pretending to be a girl.....
We know its you Julio. </div></div>
wtf is your problem? yes lazy gets on but will not post unless we're together, and what do you have against him? you've done business with him and everything went well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please stop pretending to be a girl.....
We know its you Julio. </div></div>
wtf is your problem? yes lazy gets on but will not post unless we're together, and what do you have against him? you've done business with him and everything went well.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please stop pretending to be a girl.....
We know its you Julio. </div></div>
He's not pretending.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please stop pretending to be a girl.....
We know its you Julio. </div></div>
He's not pretending.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 81STFACP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I used this guy. He is also a C3 dealer.
Sean Cody
Attorney at Law
440 Louisiana St., Suite 1900
Houston, TX 77002
(O) 281.451.4175
(F) 713.513.5918
www.HoustonAttorney.org
www.TexasNFATrust.com
www.AtomicLabRat.com </div></div>
That is who I use. Good personal friend of mine. When you get a trust done by Sean, it's not just a trust you get out of Quicken Willmaker. It's specifically worded for firearms. Sure, you can get it done cheaper, but I like to know for a fact that mine is going to be done right and not have any problems with any gov agency. I have recommended several people to Sean to get their trust done and all of them have been extremely happy. The security of having a lawyer doing the paperwork for you, and the added benefit of having him being a C3 dealer is also a huge bonus. One stop shop. Trust me, you don't want a gunstore doing a personal legal document for you. lol
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 81STFACP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I used this guy. He is also a C3 dealer.
Sean Cody
Attorney at Law
440 Louisiana St., Suite 1900
Houston, TX 77002
(O) 281.451.4175
(F) 713.513.5918
www.HoustonAttorney.org
www.TexasNFATrust.com
www.AtomicLabRat.com </div></div>
That is who I use. Good personal friend of mine. When you get a trust done by Sean, it's not just a trust you get out of Quicken Willmaker. It's specifically worded for firearms. Sure, you can get it done cheaper, but I like to know for a fact that mine is going to be done right and not have any problems with any gov agency. I have recommended several people to Sean to get their trust done and all of them have been extremely happy. The security of having a lawyer doing the paperwork for you, and the added benefit of having him being a C3 dealer is also a huge bonus. One stop shop. Trust me, you don't want a gunstore doing a personal legal document for you. lol
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 81STFACP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I used this guy. He is also a C3 dealer.
Sean Cody
Attorney at Law
440 Louisiana St., Suite 1900
Houston, TX 77002
(O) 281.451.4175
(F) 713.513.5918
www.HoustonAttorney.org
www.TexasNFATrust.com
www.AtomicLabRat.com </div></div>
That is who I use. Good personal friend of mine. When you get a trust done by Sean, it's not just a trust you get out of Quicken Willmaker. It's specifically worded for firearms. Sure, you can get it done cheaper, but I like to know for a fact that mine is going to be done right and not have any problems with any gov agency. I have recommended several people to Sean to get their trust done and all of them have been extremely happy. The security of having a lawyer doing the paperwork for you, and the added benefit of having him being a C3 dealer is also a huge bonus. One stop shop. Trust me, you don't want a gunstore doing a personal legal document for you. lol</div></div>
that's what we were thinking, the guy that offered to help said he's never done one but should not be hard. So if you guys think Sean would be best, I think lazy will just have to save some penny's to let him handle it. Thanks again
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 81STFACP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I used this guy. He is also a C3 dealer.
Sean Cody
Attorney at Law
440 Louisiana St., Suite 1900
Houston, TX 77002
(O) 281.451.4175
(F) 713.513.5918
www.HoustonAttorney.org
www.TexasNFATrust.com
www.AtomicLabRat.com </div></div>
That is who I use. Good personal friend of mine. When you get a trust done by Sean, it's not just a trust you get out of Quicken Willmaker. It's specifically worded for firearms. Sure, you can get it done cheaper, but I like to know for a fact that mine is going to be done right and not have any problems with any gov agency. I have recommended several people to Sean to get their trust done and all of them have been extremely happy. The security of having a lawyer doing the paperwork for you, and the added benefit of having him being a C3 dealer is also a huge bonus. One stop shop. Trust me, you don't want a gunstore doing a personal legal document for you. lol</div></div>
that's what we were thinking, the guy that offered to help said he's never done one but should not be hard. So if you guys think Sean would be best, I think lazy will just have to save some penny's to let him handle it. Thanks again
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
I like the assurance of someone that has done several hundred trust and NFA transfers doing my paperwork. It's not cheap. But for the personal security of doing it right is well worth it IMO. Don't take my word for it. Search around, Sean is probably one of the most well known people who do these day in and day out. He has helped other lawyers set up their own templates in other states too. I have done 3 transfers using my trust and about to do 3 more before years end and don't expect any issues with my trust or any of the Form 4s that I will be submitting.
I like the assurance of someone that has done several hundred trust and NFA transfers doing my paperwork. It's not cheap. But for the personal security of doing it right is well worth it IMO. Don't take my word for it. Search around, Sean is probably one of the most well known people who do these day in and day out. He has helped other lawyers set up their own templates in other states too. I have done 3 transfers using my trust and about to do 3 more before years end and don't expect any issues with my trust or any of the Form 4s that I will be submitting.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs.Lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please stop pretending to be a girl.....
We know its you Julio. </div></div>
wtf is your problem? yes lazy gets on but will not post unless we're together, and what do you have against him? you've done business with him and everything went well. </div></div>
I bought a scope from you. We arent blood brothers.... and you gave me 2 days of shit stories about how they wouldnt insure something that expensive without the products original invoice. thats a lie! if you pay for it, they insure it. Dont get me started....
Just stop trying to act like you and "your wife" get on snipers hide together and comment.
Do what everyone else does, dont waste your money on a lawyer for the trust. get quicken will maker and fill in the info. then take it down to the post office and have it notorized, you sign the rest. Make your exhibit A.
Show both to a lawyer and have them sign a letter of good standing for you, youre set. ive had mine for years and have a lot of items on it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs.Lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please stop pretending to be a girl.....
We know its you Julio. </div></div>
wtf is your problem? yes lazy gets on but will not post unless we're together, and what do you have against him? you've done business with him and everything went well. </div></div>
I bought a scope from you. We arent blood brothers.... and you gave me 2 days of shit stories about how they wouldnt insure something that expensive without the products original invoice. thats a lie! if you pay for it, they insure it. Dont get me started....
Just stop trying to act like you and "your wife" get on snipers hide together and comment.
Do what everyone else does, dont waste your money on a lawyer for the trust. get quicken will maker and fill in the info. then take it down to the post office and have it notorized, you sign the rest. Make your exhibit A.
Show both to a lawyer and have them sign a letter of good standing for you, youre set. ive had mine for years and have a lot of items on it.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
+1 in using someone who has done them professionally. The fee is well worth it to me. When you think how much you wasted on worthless stuff over time, the fee becomes relatively inexpensive.
+1 in using someone who has done them professionally. The fee is well worth it to me. When you think how much you wasted on worthless stuff over time, the fee becomes relatively inexpensive.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
Please provide a link to the story involving possible trust problems.
I have the trust on my site and am not responsible for its use.
That being said, it has been reviewed by several attorneys in the field and see no problem with it providing you follow the proper laws regarding trusts in your state.
The Attorney recommended in this thread has posted negative comments on other boards where my trust was passed on to others. I guess if I was an ambulance chaser and bending folks over to the tune of $500 a pop I might have some motivation to do the same.
Please provide a link to the story involving possible trust problems.
I have the trust on my site and am not responsible for its use.
That being said, it has been reviewed by several attorneys in the field and see no problem with it providing you follow the proper laws regarding trusts in your state.
The Attorney recommended in this thread has posted negative comments on other boards where my trust was passed on to others. I guess if I was an ambulance chaser and bending folks over to the tune of $500 a pop I might have some motivation to do the same.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
Thank you for the kind words.
Hooper, Still butt hurt over our little exchange are you? Glad to see that I made an impression on you. Why don't you post a link to that thread while you are whining about getting your little ego bruised over here.
SC
ETA: Hoopster, how about you post links to all those threads you are referring to and let everyone see the full extent of our exchanges and those negative comments. Still waiting on ya hoopster!
Thank you for the kind words.
Hooper, Still butt hurt over our little exchange are you? Glad to see that I made an impression on you. Why don't you post a link to that thread while you are whining about getting your little ego bruised over here.
SC
ETA: Hoopster, how about you post links to all those threads you are referring to and let everyone see the full extent of our exchanges and those negative comments. Still waiting on ya hoopster!
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
+1 for Sean Cody, he is no joke. I did my initial trust with Willmaker, and decided that I was more comfortable with having a real attorney draw up the specific documents and amend my trust. The peace of mind was was worth the high cost of admission for me. I'm busy enough with work and family life, and the last thing that I need is a hassle from the government for shoddy trust work.
The NFA world, I am quickly finding out, is quite fun. Pay someone to do it right so that you can enjoy the NFA items without any worries.
+1 for Sean Cody, he is no joke. I did my initial trust with Willmaker, and decided that I was more comfortable with having a real attorney draw up the specific documents and amend my trust. The peace of mind was was worth the high cost of admission for me. I'm busy enough with work and family life, and the last thing that I need is a hassle from the government for shoddy trust work.
The NFA world, I am quickly finding out, is quite fun. Pay someone to do it right so that you can enjoy the NFA items without any worries.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
I did my initial trust from legal zoom.com if i remember correctly.
its at Sean's office right now getting amended...
peace of mind is worth it to spend the $$ to me........ Atomic Lab Rat...thats funny SC.
I did my initial trust from legal zoom.com if i remember correctly.
its at Sean's office right now getting amended...
peace of mind is worth it to spend the $$ to me........ Atomic Lab Rat...thats funny SC.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs.Lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please stop pretending to be a girl.....
We know its you Julio. </div></div>
wtf is your problem? yes lazy gets on but will not post unless we're together, and what do you have against him? you've done business with him and everything went well. </div></div>
I liked it better when Julio's violation of the rules regarding multiple accounts to circumvent a ban were conducted with just a wink and a nod.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs.Lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please stop pretending to be a girl.....
We know its you Julio. </div></div>
wtf is your problem? yes lazy gets on but will not post unless we're together, and what do you have against him? you've done business with him and everything went well. </div></div>
I liked it better when Julio's violation of the rules regarding multiple accounts to circumvent a ban were conducted with just a wink and a nod.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Atomic Lab Rat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you for the kind words.
Hooper, Still butt hurt over our little exchange are you? Glad to see that I made an impression on you. Why don't you post a link to that thread while you are whining about getting your little ego bruised over here.
SC
ETA: Hoopster, how about you post links to all those threads you are referring to and let everyone see the full extent of our exchanges and those negative comments. Still waiting on ya hoopster! </div></div>
I just remember you as someone who is a legend in his own mind. Last I remember, you were put off by a Dealer actually offering free info to help the NFA industry and posted comments like you thought my free trust offering was suspect.
Again, I can see where an Ambulance chaser such as yourself who gets $500 for a service would have motivation to post Condescending comments about someone who was providing such service for free. I mean afterall, this is a recession.
I hereby give you the "King Douchebag" Award.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Atomic Lab Rat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you for the kind words.
Hooper, Still butt hurt over our little exchange are you? Glad to see that I made an impression on you. Why don't you post a link to that thread while you are whining about getting your little ego bruised over here.
SC
ETA: Hoopster, how about you post links to all those threads you are referring to and let everyone see the full extent of our exchanges and those negative comments. Still waiting on ya hoopster! </div></div>
I just remember you as someone who is a legend in his own mind. Last I remember, you were put off by a Dealer actually offering free info to help the NFA industry and posted comments like you thought my free trust offering was suspect.
Again, I can see where an Ambulance chaser such as yourself who gets $500 for a service would have motivation to post Condescending comments about someone who was providing such service for free. I mean afterall, this is a recession.
I hereby give you the "King Douchebag" Award.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs.Lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please stop pretending to be a girl.....
We know its you Julio. </div></div>
wtf is your problem? yes lazy gets on but will not post unless we're together, and what do you have against him? you've done business with him and everything went well. </div></div>
I liked it better when Julio's violation of the rules regarding multiple accounts to circumvent a ban were conducted with just a wink and a nod. </div></div>
No shit. Lazy does this openly and NOBODY gets banned for doing it. Given, NOBODY was a rude and polarizing guy with a little man's complex. Frank's house Frank's rules so I'm cool with it. However, if anyone is going to get this site in trouble with the ATF my money is on the transexual Lazy21 family.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs.Lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please stop pretending to be a girl.....
We know its you Julio. </div></div>
wtf is your problem? yes lazy gets on but will not post unless we're together, and what do you have against him? you've done business with him and everything went well. </div></div>
I liked it better when Julio's violation of the rules regarding multiple accounts to circumvent a ban were conducted with just a wink and a nod. </div></div>
No shit. Lazy does this openly and NOBODY gets banned for doing it. Given, NOBODY was a rude and polarizing guy with a little man's complex. Frank's house Frank's rules so I'm cool with it. However, if anyone is going to get this site in trouble with the ATF my money is on the transexual Lazy21 family.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs.Lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 81STFACP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I used this guy. He is also a C3 dealer.
Sean Cody
Attorney at Law
440 Louisiana St., Suite 1900
Houston, TX 77002
(O) 281.451.4175
(F) 713.513.5918
www.HoustonAttorney.org
www.TexasNFATrust.com
www.AtomicLabRat.com </div></div>
That is who I use. Good personal friend of mine. When you get a trust done by Sean, it's not just a trust you get out of Quicken Willmaker. It's specifically worded for firearms. Sure, you can get it done cheaper, but I like to know for a fact that mine is going to be done right and not have any problems with any gov agency. I have recommended several people to Sean to get their trust done and all of them have been extremely happy. The security of having a lawyer doing the paperwork for you, and the added benefit of having him being a C3 dealer is also a huge bonus. One stop shop. Trust me, you don't want a gunstore doing a personal legal document for you. lol</div></div>
that's what we were thinking, the guy that offered to help said he's never done one but should not be hard. So if you guys think Sean would be best, I think lazy will just have to save some penny's to let him handle it. Thanks again </div></div>
I had a fellow attorney describe this as a great situation for a lawyer -- getting paid by the hour by a client to learn how to do something!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs.Lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 81STFACP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I used this guy. He is also a C3 dealer.
Sean Cody
Attorney at Law
440 Louisiana St., Suite 1900
Houston, TX 77002
(O) 281.451.4175
(F) 713.513.5918
www.HoustonAttorney.org
www.TexasNFATrust.com
www.AtomicLabRat.com </div></div>
That is who I use. Good personal friend of mine. When you get a trust done by Sean, it's not just a trust you get out of Quicken Willmaker. It's specifically worded for firearms. Sure, you can get it done cheaper, but I like to know for a fact that mine is going to be done right and not have any problems with any gov agency. I have recommended several people to Sean to get their trust done and all of them have been extremely happy. The security of having a lawyer doing the paperwork for you, and the added benefit of having him being a C3 dealer is also a huge bonus. One stop shop. Trust me, you don't want a gunstore doing a personal legal document for you. lol</div></div>
that's what we were thinking, the guy that offered to help said he's never done one but should not be hard. So if you guys think Sean would be best, I think lazy will just have to save some penny's to let him handle it. Thanks again </div></div>
I had a fellow attorney describe this as a great situation for a lawyer -- getting paid by the hour by a client to learn how to do something!
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hooper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Atomic Lab Rat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you for the kind words.
Hooper, Still butt hurt over our little exchange are you? Glad to see that I made an impression on you. Why don't you post a link to that thread while you are whining about getting your little ego bruised over here.
SC
ETA: Hoopster, how about you post links to all those threads you are referring to and let everyone see the full extent of our exchanges and those negative comments. Still waiting on ya hoopster! </div></div>
I just remember you as someone who is a legend in his own mind. Last I remember, you were put off by a Dealer actually offering free info to help the NFA industry and posted comments like you thought my free trust offering was suspect.
Again, I can see where an Ambulance chaser such as yourself who gets $500 for a service would have motivation to post Condescending comments about someone who was providing such service for free. I mean afterall, this is a recession.
I hereby give you the "King Douchebag" Award.
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Hoopster,
I am glad that I made a good, long lasting impression on you. Maybe you will learn something.
As far as condescending comments, the only person posting condescnding comments in this thread is you. I merely asked you to post a link to the thread to back up your accusations.
It is obvious that you are still butthurt over the smackdown you got last year.
Like I said earlier, please post the link to the thread if you are going to call me names.
But you aren't gonna do that because you were wrong and got the smack down in that thread.
Now as far as name calling, that's what I expect from you Hoopster. You resorted to that in the other thread and you have resorted to that tactic right here. Its your M.O. When you can't argue with facts, you start calling names.
Douchebag, ambulance chaser, "legend in his own mind" whatever. I have been called worse by better people than you.
Cheers
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hooper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Atomic Lab Rat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you for the kind words.
Hooper, Still butt hurt over our little exchange are you? Glad to see that I made an impression on you. Why don't you post a link to that thread while you are whining about getting your little ego bruised over here.
SC
ETA: Hoopster, how about you post links to all those threads you are referring to and let everyone see the full extent of our exchanges and those negative comments. Still waiting on ya hoopster! </div></div>
I just remember you as someone who is a legend in his own mind. Last I remember, you were put off by a Dealer actually offering free info to help the NFA industry and posted comments like you thought my free trust offering was suspect.
Again, I can see where an Ambulance chaser such as yourself who gets $500 for a service would have motivation to post Condescending comments about someone who was providing such service for free. I mean afterall, this is a recession.
I hereby give you the "King Douchebag" Award.
</div></div>
Hoopster,
I am glad that I made a good, long lasting impression on you. Maybe you will learn something.
As far as condescending comments, the only person posting condescnding comments in this thread is you. I merely asked you to post a link to the thread to back up your accusations.
It is obvious that you are still butthurt over the smackdown you got last year.
Like I said earlier, please post the link to the thread if you are going to call me names.
But you aren't gonna do that because you were wrong and got the smack down in that thread.
Now as far as name calling, that's what I expect from you Hoopster. You resorted to that in the other thread and you have resorted to that tactic right here. Its your M.O. When you can't argue with facts, you start calling names.
Douchebag, ambulance chaser, "legend in his own mind" whatever. I have been called worse by better people than you.
Cheers
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Atomic Lab Rat</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hooper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Atomic Lab Rat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you for the kind words.
Hooper, Still butt hurt over our little exchange are you? Glad to see that I made an impression on you. Why don't you post a link to that thread while you are whining about getting your little ego bruised over here.
SC
ETA: Hoopster, how about you post links to all those threads you are referring to and let everyone see the full extent of our exchanges and those negative comments. Still waiting on ya hoopster! </div></div>
I just remember you as someone who is a legend in his own mind. Last I remember, you were put off by a Dealer actually offering free info to help the NFA industry and posted comments like you thought my free trust offering was suspect.
Again, I can see where an Ambulance chaser such as yourself who gets $500 for a service would have motivation to post Condescending comments about someone who was providing such service for free. I mean afterall, this is a recession.
I hereby give you the "King Douchebag" Award.
</div></div>
Hoopster,
I am glad that I made a good, long lasting impression on you. Maybe you will learn something.
As far as condescending comments, the only person posting condescnding comments in this thread is you. I merely asked you to post a link to the thread to back up your accusations.
It is obvious that you are still butthurt over the smackdown you got last year.
Like I said earlier, please post the link to the thread if you are going to call me names.
But you aren't gonna do that because you were wrong and got the smack down in that thread.
Now as far as name calling, that's what I expect from you Hoopster. You resorted to that in the other thread and you have resorted to that tactic right here. Its your M.O. When you can't argue with facts, you start calling names.
Douchebag, ambulance chaser, "legend in his own mind" whatever. I have been called worse by better people than you.
Cheers </div></div>
Ok, King El Douche, I will go over to Silencertalk and pull the threads and post the comments here if you have not already erased them as I see you like to edit your text quite often.
Back on point:
What makes your Trust Transfer worth $500.00? I think I may raise my rate from free/$50 to $250.00. Pay my inter office Attorney a reasonable $50 for a back pat/thumbs up to the transferee, and pocket the rest. Folks would think I was robbing them after seeing your Rates.
BTW, all jokes aside, even though you are an elitist in your own mind and look down on the working folk, I would still take in your gunsmithing work with open arms. I might even do a quantity discount if you need a few barrels threaded or actions trued/rebarreled.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Atomic Lab Rat</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hooper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Atomic Lab Rat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you for the kind words.
Hooper, Still butt hurt over our little exchange are you? Glad to see that I made an impression on you. Why don't you post a link to that thread while you are whining about getting your little ego bruised over here.
SC
ETA: Hoopster, how about you post links to all those threads you are referring to and let everyone see the full extent of our exchanges and those negative comments. Still waiting on ya hoopster! </div></div>
I just remember you as someone who is a legend in his own mind. Last I remember, you were put off by a Dealer actually offering free info to help the NFA industry and posted comments like you thought my free trust offering was suspect.
Again, I can see where an Ambulance chaser such as yourself who gets $500 for a service would have motivation to post Condescending comments about someone who was providing such service for free. I mean afterall, this is a recession.
I hereby give you the "King Douchebag" Award.
</div></div>
Hoopster,
I am glad that I made a good, long lasting impression on you. Maybe you will learn something.
As far as condescending comments, the only person posting condescnding comments in this thread is you. I merely asked you to post a link to the thread to back up your accusations.
It is obvious that you are still butthurt over the smackdown you got last year.
Like I said earlier, please post the link to the thread if you are going to call me names.
But you aren't gonna do that because you were wrong and got the smack down in that thread.
Now as far as name calling, that's what I expect from you Hoopster. You resorted to that in the other thread and you have resorted to that tactic right here. Its your M.O. When you can't argue with facts, you start calling names.
Douchebag, ambulance chaser, "legend in his own mind" whatever. I have been called worse by better people than you.
Cheers </div></div>
Ok, King El Douche, I will go over to Silencertalk and pull the threads and post the comments here if you have not already erased them as I see you like to edit your text quite often.
Back on point:
What makes your Trust Transfer worth $500.00? I think I may raise my rate from free/$50 to $250.00. Pay my inter office Attorney a reasonable $50 for a back pat/thumbs up to the transferee, and pocket the rest. Folks would think I was robbing them after seeing your Rates.
BTW, all jokes aside, even though you are an elitist in your own mind and look down on the working folk, I would still take in your gunsmithing work with open arms. I might even do a quantity discount if you need a few barrels threaded or actions trued/rebarreled.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<span style="font-weight: bold">Here you go El Douche from Silencer talk. I put your condescending comments in bold in case you forgot you posted this. I was trying to help someone with acquiring an NFA item legally as he had asked about a trust. There have been others but I really do not want to waste anymore time posting examples of what everyone besides you realizes. </span>
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Does anybody know of a Lawyer in Alabama that can set up an NFA trust for me?
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Contact Rhett at Hooper Ordnance in AL. You won't need a lawyer with him. He provides the form for the Trust and walks you through the process. I just got two cans by just using the Trust he provides and then he did everything else with the Form 4, etc. Very quick process. I've gotten four total cans through him. First two were via the Form 4, LE sign off, photo, etc. Recent two were via the Trust.
http://hooperordnance.com/page1.aspx
Rhett's a great guy, extremely knowledgeable and he does excellent gunsmithing. I should be getting my Ruger 22/45 back from him today that he threaded and moved the sight back on.
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Emris,
Check your email. I have a lawyer on the payroll.
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Download the trust pack on my site. It includes a sample form 4 and a trust you change with your info.
Just another legal way to own firearms.
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<span style="font-weight: bold">"Dealers providing trusts . . . . makes me as a lawyer a happy person.
Makes the dealer side of me cringe."</span>
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Here you go El Douche from Silencer talk. I put your condescending comments in bold in case you forgot you posted this. I was trying to help someone with acquiring an NFA item legally as he had asked about a trust. There have been others but I really do not want to waste anymore time posting examples of what everyone besides you realizes. </span>
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Does anybody know of a Lawyer in Alabama that can set up an NFA trust for me?
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Contact Rhett at Hooper Ordnance in AL. You won't need a lawyer with him. He provides the form for the Trust and walks you through the process. I just got two cans by just using the Trust he provides and then he did everything else with the Form 4, etc. Very quick process. I've gotten four total cans through him. First two were via the Form 4, LE sign off, photo, etc. Recent two were via the Trust.
http://hooperordnance.com/page1.aspx
Rhett's a great guy, extremely knowledgeable and he does excellent gunsmithing. I should be getting my Ruger 22/45 back from him today that he threaded and moved the sight back on.
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Emris,
Check your email. I have a lawyer on the payroll.
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Download the trust pack on my site. It includes a sample form 4 and a trust you change with your info.
Just another legal way to own firearms.
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<span style="font-weight: bold">"Dealers providing trusts . . . . makes me as a lawyer a happy person.
Makes the dealer side of me cringe."</span>
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Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
Hoopster,
That is the "Condescending Remark" that you are all butt hurt about? Jesus, you really are thin skinned aren't you.
I notice that you STILL haven't posted a link to that thread.
Any reason you refuse to post a link and let everyone read the entire thread?
I stand by that comment. A dealer, practicing law without a license, in Texas is committing a criminal act. I don't know about your state, but I bet you are skirting the UPL issue and I bet that UPL in Alabama is a criminal act.
I can say this:
A dealer, who is not a lawyer, that prepares trusts for customers, is not only practicing law without a license, but if something ever goes wrong, that dealer might be striclty liable for the damages that his actions caused.
As a lawyer, it would be a real easy case to make against the dealer in a civil or a criminal lawsuit.
Why would a dealer/gunsmith take on that potential liability to make a sale? Ask yourself that.
Are these dealers so desperate to make $200.00 to $400.00 on a sale that they will put themselves or their customers at risk?
The facts are the facts. I know Texas dealers do this. If a dealer asks me about the issue, I explain my take on the issue of UPL and dealers providing trusts.
Hoopster,
That is the "Condescending Remark" that you are all butt hurt about? Jesus, you really are thin skinned aren't you.
I notice that you STILL haven't posted a link to that thread.
Any reason you refuse to post a link and let everyone read the entire thread?
I stand by that comment. A dealer, practicing law without a license, in Texas is committing a criminal act. I don't know about your state, but I bet you are skirting the UPL issue and I bet that UPL in Alabama is a criminal act.
I can say this:
A dealer, who is not a lawyer, that prepares trusts for customers, is not only practicing law without a license, but if something ever goes wrong, that dealer might be striclty liable for the damages that his actions caused.
As a lawyer, it would be a real easy case to make against the dealer in a civil or a criminal lawsuit.
Why would a dealer/gunsmith take on that potential liability to make a sale? Ask yourself that.
Are these dealers so desperate to make $200.00 to $400.00 on a sale that they will put themselves or their customers at risk?
The facts are the facts. I know Texas dealers do this. If a dealer asks me about the issue, I explain my take on the issue of UPL and dealers providing trusts.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
There's a lady in Houston that specializes In NFA trusts. She charges about $600 ($500 if military). I went with willmaker because it was pretty simple and the mil doesn't pay alot.
There's a lady in Houston that specializes In NFA trusts. She charges about $600 ($500 if military). I went with willmaker because it was pretty simple and the mil doesn't pay alot.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Atomic Lab Rat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hoopster,
That is the "Condescending Remark" that you are all butt hurt about? Jesus, you really are thin skinned aren't you.
I notice that you STILL haven't posted a link to that thread.
Any reason you refuse to post a link and let everyone read the entire thread?
I stand by that comment. A dealer, practicing law without a license, in Texas is committing a criminal act. I don't know about your state, but I bet you are skirting the UPL issue and I bet that UPL in Alabama is a criminal act.
I can say this:
A dealer, who is not a lawyer, that prepares trusts for customers, is not only practicing law without a license, but if something ever goes wrong, that dealer might be striclty liable for the damages that his actions caused.
As a lawyer, it would be a real easy case to make against the dealer in a civil or a criminal lawsuit.
Why would a dealer/gunsmith take on that potential liability to make a sale? Ask yourself that.
Are these dealers so desperate to make $200.00 to $400.00 on a sale that they will put themselves or their customers at risk?
The facts are the facts. I know Texas dealers do this. If a dealer asks me about the issue, I explain my take on the issue of UPL and dealers providing trusts.
</div></div>
So you're saying any person cannot just up and make their own trust? They cant buy a program, follow the instructions, have it notarized and it wont hold up? Or are you saying a C3 dealer cant make a trust for you, or even assist you in getting one done?
I will disagree with some of that. You make it sound like a lawyer would have to set up every angle of the trust and then have it amended. I think thats another way for lawyers to make a quick $500.00 and stroke their ego that they know everything about NFA items.
I also find it saddening that you as a lawyer and firearms enthusiast are on here talking down to people acting like your the king of shit mountain. I think you need to stop typing and look at the way some of your potential clients are now viewing you. If I was in texas I wouldnt work with you, I would be worried about you getting unhappy and then calling me "butt hurt". poor form sir.....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Atomic Lab Rat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hoopster,
That is the "Condescending Remark" that you are all butt hurt about? Jesus, you really are thin skinned aren't you.
I notice that you STILL haven't posted a link to that thread.
Any reason you refuse to post a link and let everyone read the entire thread?
I stand by that comment. A dealer, practicing law without a license, in Texas is committing a criminal act. I don't know about your state, but I bet you are skirting the UPL issue and I bet that UPL in Alabama is a criminal act.
I can say this:
A dealer, who is not a lawyer, that prepares trusts for customers, is not only practicing law without a license, but if something ever goes wrong, that dealer might be striclty liable for the damages that his actions caused.
As a lawyer, it would be a real easy case to make against the dealer in a civil or a criminal lawsuit.
Why would a dealer/gunsmith take on that potential liability to make a sale? Ask yourself that.
Are these dealers so desperate to make $200.00 to $400.00 on a sale that they will put themselves or their customers at risk?
The facts are the facts. I know Texas dealers do this. If a dealer asks me about the issue, I explain my take on the issue of UPL and dealers providing trusts.
</div></div>
So you're saying any person cannot just up and make their own trust? They cant buy a program, follow the instructions, have it notarized and it wont hold up? Or are you saying a C3 dealer cant make a trust for you, or even assist you in getting one done?
I will disagree with some of that. You make it sound like a lawyer would have to set up every angle of the trust and then have it amended. I think thats another way for lawyers to make a quick $500.00 and stroke their ego that they know everything about NFA items.
I also find it saddening that you as a lawyer and firearms enthusiast are on here talking down to people acting like your the king of shit mountain. I think you need to stop typing and look at the way some of your potential clients are now viewing you. If I was in texas I wouldnt work with you, I would be worried about you getting unhappy and then calling me "butt hurt". poor form sir.....
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Atomic Lab Rat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Why would a dealer/gunsmith take on that potential liability to make a sale? Ask yourself that.
Are these dealers so desperate to make $200.00 to $400.00 on a sale that they will put themselves or their customers at risk?
</div></div>
This all started for me when a Friend/customer of mine could not get his Sheriff to sign a Form 4. This is rare in Alabama especially when the Transferee is a 30+ year LE Veteran SWAT SNiper Police Captain.
When a law abiding citizen wants to exercise his/her right to bear arms I see no problem helping them achieve their goal.
As far as financial gain, my trust has been downloaded and successfully used countless times for free.
Not everything is about money Sir. But with you, I see that maybe it is.
I never got upset with you with any of your posts, I just see it is par for the course with you and expect no less. At least you are consistent and seem to be an asshole all the time and a cliche of the profession you have chosen.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Atomic Lab Rat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Why would a dealer/gunsmith take on that potential liability to make a sale? Ask yourself that.
Are these dealers so desperate to make $200.00 to $400.00 on a sale that they will put themselves or their customers at risk?
</div></div>
This all started for me when a Friend/customer of mine could not get his Sheriff to sign a Form 4. This is rare in Alabama especially when the Transferee is a 30+ year LE Veteran SWAT SNiper Police Captain.
When a law abiding citizen wants to exercise his/her right to bear arms I see no problem helping them achieve their goal.
As far as financial gain, my trust has been downloaded and successfully used countless times for free.
Not everything is about money Sir. But with you, I see that maybe it is.
I never got upset with you with any of your posts, I just see it is par for the course with you and expect no less. At least you are consistent and seem to be an asshole all the time and a cliche of the profession you have chosen.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
it never ceases to amaze me at what lengths Barristers will go to put the blocks to the unknowing and .....just anyone they can for a nickle......its called sport fucking i suppose and keeps them out of the bars,
to call an accepted process "suspect" and put the fear of the long arm of the court into the pipeline of intimidation just to gouge a person......has always stuck me as being ,,,,really low.
would you represent the guy you jammed for 500.00 in front of a judge on a document you prepared, and not charge him even more ?
do your services guarantee no legal issues further down the line on these NFA matters should they arise ?
you come in here and bang your drum and talk smack, but offer no advice or education other that ....pay me 'cause i'm a lawyer
this is one reason why i have a very low regard for Barristers
it never ceases to amaze me at what lengths Barristers will go to put the blocks to the unknowing and .....just anyone they can for a nickle......its called sport fucking i suppose and keeps them out of the bars,
to call an accepted process "suspect" and put the fear of the long arm of the court into the pipeline of intimidation just to gouge a person......has always stuck me as being ,,,,really low.
would you represent the guy you jammed for 500.00 in front of a judge on a document you prepared, and not charge him even more ?
do your services guarantee no legal issues further down the line on these NFA matters should they arise ?
you come in here and bang your drum and talk smack, but offer no advice or education other that ....pay me 'cause i'm a lawyer
this is one reason why i have a very low regard for Barristers
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
The trust Hooper posts came from my LAWYER who does this for a living. It is a good one.
If you use Quicken, Hooper's offer, or any other program, you should always have it checked by a lawyer in your state and this is always recommended.
When the head LE in our county started sending people to my office after he refused to sign form 4's, for me to tell them the legal way to get c-3 items without his signature, it became neccessary to provide something to people.
My lawyer did my trust. I send people to him and other lawyers who work trusts and who found it easy to use one that was already done and legal.
Other Trust lawyers have checked out the trust and simply changed the names on it and verify the trust is legal, they sign off on it for a minimum fee based on the number of certified copies you get from them with their stamp on it.
At some point, enough people in this area wanted the information, Hooper is in the area, so he gives out a copy of a fill in the blank trust, prepared by a lawyer in Alabama, to his customers, with the recommendation they have their lawyer look it over before they use it.
Thats not a shady dealer tactic. Its not a tactic to entice people to buy. It is helping customers who don't know better when the sheriff refuses to sign, instead of sending people to internet boards where THEY DO GET BULLSHIT advice from people who don't know.
Yes, I take Hooper's side in this, he's not lowlife, unethical, or shady.
But I do recommend with Quicken or any other trust, having a trust lawyer verify the document before using it. They do charge less when you bring a prepared document to them to verify than a lawyer who starts from scratch.
Boltripper, known owner of such items writes:
"it never ceases to amaze me at what lengths Barristers will go to put the blocks to the unknowing and .....just anyone they can for a nickle......its called sport fucking i suppose and keeps them out of the bars,
to call an accepted process "suspect" and put the fear of the long arm of the court into the pipeline of intimidation just to gouge a person......has always stuck me as being ,,,,really low.
would you represent the guy you jammed for 500.00 in front of a judge on a document you prepared, and not charge him even more ?
do your services guarantee no legal issues further down the line on these NFA matters should they arise ?
you come in here and bang your drum and talk smack, but offer no advice or education other that ....pay me 'cause i'm a lawyer
this is one reason why i have a very low regard for Barristers"
The voice of long experience speaks, maybe people should listen when experienced elders speak...
The trust Hooper posts came from my LAWYER who does this for a living. It is a good one.
If you use Quicken, Hooper's offer, or any other program, you should always have it checked by a lawyer in your state and this is always recommended.
When the head LE in our county started sending people to my office after he refused to sign form 4's, for me to tell them the legal way to get c-3 items without his signature, it became neccessary to provide something to people.
My lawyer did my trust. I send people to him and other lawyers who work trusts and who found it easy to use one that was already done and legal.
Other Trust lawyers have checked out the trust and simply changed the names on it and verify the trust is legal, they sign off on it for a minimum fee based on the number of certified copies you get from them with their stamp on it.
At some point, enough people in this area wanted the information, Hooper is in the area, so he gives out a copy of a fill in the blank trust, prepared by a lawyer in Alabama, to his customers, with the recommendation they have their lawyer look it over before they use it.
Thats not a shady dealer tactic. Its not a tactic to entice people to buy. It is helping customers who don't know better when the sheriff refuses to sign, instead of sending people to internet boards where THEY DO GET BULLSHIT advice from people who don't know.
Yes, I take Hooper's side in this, he's not lowlife, unethical, or shady.
But I do recommend with Quicken or any other trust, having a trust lawyer verify the document before using it. They do charge less when you bring a prepared document to them to verify than a lawyer who starts from scratch.
Boltripper, known owner of such items writes:
"it never ceases to amaze me at what lengths Barristers will go to put the blocks to the unknowing and .....just anyone they can for a nickle......its called sport fucking i suppose and keeps them out of the bars,
to call an accepted process "suspect" and put the fear of the long arm of the court into the pipeline of intimidation just to gouge a person......has always stuck me as being ,,,,really low.
would you represent the guy you jammed for 500.00 in front of a judge on a document you prepared, and not charge him even more ?
do your services guarantee no legal issues further down the line on these NFA matters should they arise ?
you come in here and bang your drum and talk smack, but offer no advice or education other that ....pay me 'cause i'm a lawyer
this is one reason why i have a very low regard for Barristers"
The voice of long experience speaks, maybe people should listen when experienced elders speak...
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it never ceases to amaze me at what lengths Barristers will go to put the blocks to the unknowing and .....just anyone they can for a nickle......its called sport fucking i suppose and keeps them out of the bars,
to call an accepted process "suspect" and put the fear of the long arm of the court into the pipeline of intimidation just to gouge a person......has always stuck me as being ,,,,really low.
would you represent the guy you jammed for 500.00 in front of a judge on a document you prepared, and not charge him even more ?
do your services guarantee no legal issues further down the line on these NFA matters should they arise ?
you come in here and bang your drum and talk smack, but offer no advice or education other that ....pay me 'cause i'm a lawyer
this is one reason why i have a very low regard for Barristers </div></div>
BINGO! You hit the nail on the head. This guy comes in here crying foul but wont offer up any other advice but running his mouth about how "he's a lawyer and knows" bla bla bla. The scare tactic is an easy way to get some poor blue collar guy to fork over $500.00 for some forms that you can do yourself for about $40.00 total cost. AND THE BATFE has approved thousands of forms under them, if they called it suspect they would question you because guess what? they have copies of your trust and exhibit A.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it never ceases to amaze me at what lengths Barristers will go to put the blocks to the unknowing and .....just anyone they can for a nickle......its called sport fucking i suppose and keeps them out of the bars,
to call an accepted process "suspect" and put the fear of the long arm of the court into the pipeline of intimidation just to gouge a person......has always stuck me as being ,,,,really low.
would you represent the guy you jammed for 500.00 in front of a judge on a document you prepared, and not charge him even more ?
do your services guarantee no legal issues further down the line on these NFA matters should they arise ?
you come in here and bang your drum and talk smack, but offer no advice or education other that ....pay me 'cause i'm a lawyer
this is one reason why i have a very low regard for Barristers </div></div>
BINGO! You hit the nail on the head. This guy comes in here crying foul but wont offer up any other advice but running his mouth about how "he's a lawyer and knows" bla bla bla. The scare tactic is an easy way to get some poor blue collar guy to fork over $500.00 for some forms that you can do yourself for about $40.00 total cost. AND THE BATFE has approved thousands of forms under them, if they called it suspect they would question you because guess what? they have copies of your trust and exhibit A.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
This is about as entertaining as the 'lawyer' on RFC posting wanting to know why the term "lawyer triggers" is used. When members started explaining he was upset with some of the remarks and just couldn't see why people had issues with lawyers in general. Claimed the high dollar liability settlements from litigation was the fault of "stupid jurors" and not the lawyers. Amazing what 6-8yrs of education DOESN'T include.LOL
This is about as entertaining as the 'lawyer' on RFC posting wanting to know why the term "lawyer triggers" is used. When members started explaining he was upset with some of the remarks and just couldn't see why people had issues with lawyers in general. Claimed the high dollar liability settlements from litigation was the fault of "stupid jurors" and not the lawyers. Amazing what 6-8yrs of education DOESN'T include.LOL
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
What I said was that a dealer should not prepare or provide a trust form for his customers. I thought that was abundantly clear from the quoted text.
If you want to use Quicken or Legal Zoom or do your own trust from scratch, that is fine. It is a free country as I have always said so.
I do not use scare tactics to sell my trusts. Call me, I will tell you that on the phone.
Hoopster is preparing or providing a trust for for his customers. If something went wrong, he will be liable and get to pay for his screwups. It is also close to UPL. If he actually prepares the trust for a customer and isn't a lawyer, it is UPL which is a criminal act.
That is simple. Its bad practice for a dealer to do this on the dealer's side becasue it is a liability that the dealer simply doesn't need.
If the customer doesn't want to hire a lawyer to prepare a trust, he can do one himself. If you read my posts which have been conveniently quoted, I never say that the customer cannot do a trust through legal zoom, quicken or go to the law library and get a form out of a practice manual.
If I prepare a trust for you, I am available to answer your questions, deal with the ATF if there is an issue regarding the trust, deal with your dealer if he belives that a trust isn't a valid form of NFA ownership, help with your forms and generally be a phone call or an email away if you have a concern.
If you don't want to pay me to prepare a trust, that is fine. Hoopster's problem is that I criticised his povision of a trust form on several levels.
1. Dealer liability
2. Unauthorized Practice of Law
3. Even if that trust form is valid in Alabama or wherever he is, that doens't mean that it is valid in all fifty dates and Hoopster is putting it out with the insinuation that becasue his lawyer told him it was good in Alabama, everyone should feel free to use it in whatever state tey want to use it in.
Hoopster, instead of considering the potential that he is doing his fellow forum members a dis-service and practicing law without a license, decided to take my comments as condescending. Hoopster's ego simply refuses to accept the possibility that what he is doing is ignorant from a businessman's standpoint nd ossibly illegal in his state.
Since I am not a lawyer in his state, I do not know for sure that what he is doing is illegal in his state. In Texas a non-lawyer dealer who prepares a trust for a customer is practicicing law without a license.
Since I am a lawyer and I am familiary with general tort law, I can say that Hoopster is opening himself up to a lawsuit if something ever went wrong and I don't understand why he or any dealer would do that when even if he hates all lawyers (except his pet lawyer), why he doesn't just tell his customers to use legal zoom or quicken and remove the possiblity of a lawsuit?
Hell, he could stock quicken willmaker in his store if he wanted to.
But this is an ego issue for Hoopster. He has backed himself into a corner and cannot admit that he may be wrong. He thought he could come over to another forum and run his mouth and that I wouldn't call him on his antics.
Well that didn't work out so well.
What I said was that a dealer should not prepare or provide a trust form for his customers. I thought that was abundantly clear from the quoted text.
If you want to use Quicken or Legal Zoom or do your own trust from scratch, that is fine. It is a free country as I have always said so.
I do not use scare tactics to sell my trusts. Call me, I will tell you that on the phone.
Hoopster is preparing or providing a trust for for his customers. If something went wrong, he will be liable and get to pay for his screwups. It is also close to UPL. If he actually prepares the trust for a customer and isn't a lawyer, it is UPL which is a criminal act.
That is simple. Its bad practice for a dealer to do this on the dealer's side becasue it is a liability that the dealer simply doesn't need.
If the customer doesn't want to hire a lawyer to prepare a trust, he can do one himself. If you read my posts which have been conveniently quoted, I never say that the customer cannot do a trust through legal zoom, quicken or go to the law library and get a form out of a practice manual.
If I prepare a trust for you, I am available to answer your questions, deal with the ATF if there is an issue regarding the trust, deal with your dealer if he belives that a trust isn't a valid form of NFA ownership, help with your forms and generally be a phone call or an email away if you have a concern.
If you don't want to pay me to prepare a trust, that is fine. Hoopster's problem is that I criticised his povision of a trust form on several levels.
1. Dealer liability
2. Unauthorized Practice of Law
3. Even if that trust form is valid in Alabama or wherever he is, that doens't mean that it is valid in all fifty dates and Hoopster is putting it out with the insinuation that becasue his lawyer told him it was good in Alabama, everyone should feel free to use it in whatever state tey want to use it in.
Hoopster, instead of considering the potential that he is doing his fellow forum members a dis-service and practicing law without a license, decided to take my comments as condescending. Hoopster's ego simply refuses to accept the possibility that what he is doing is ignorant from a businessman's standpoint nd ossibly illegal in his state.
Since I am not a lawyer in his state, I do not know for sure that what he is doing is illegal in his state. In Texas a non-lawyer dealer who prepares a trust for a customer is practicicing law without a license.
Since I am a lawyer and I am familiary with general tort law, I can say that Hoopster is opening himself up to a lawsuit if something ever went wrong and I don't understand why he or any dealer would do that when even if he hates all lawyers (except his pet lawyer), why he doesn't just tell his customers to use legal zoom or quicken and remove the possiblity of a lawsuit?
Hell, he could stock quicken willmaker in his store if he wanted to.
But this is an ego issue for Hoopster. He has backed himself into a corner and cannot admit that he may be wrong. He thought he could come over to another forum and run his mouth and that I wouldn't call him on his antics.
Well that didn't work out so well.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is about as entertaining as the 'lawyer' on RFC posting wanting to know why the term "lawyer triggers" is used. When members started explaining he was upset with some of the remarks and just couldn't see why people had issues with lawyers in general. Claimed the high dollar liability settlements from litigation was the fault of "stupid jurors" and not the lawyers. Amazing what 6-8yrs of education DOESN'T include.LOL </div></div>
Well . . . I hate to tell you this but it is the jurors who didn't exercise common sense and rendered teh verdict. You can blame it on the lawyers all you want, but the jurors are the ones who weren't savvy enough to just say no.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is about as entertaining as the 'lawyer' on RFC posting wanting to know why the term "lawyer triggers" is used. When members started explaining he was upset with some of the remarks and just couldn't see why people had issues with lawyers in general. Claimed the high dollar liability settlements from litigation was the fault of "stupid jurors" and not the lawyers. Amazing what 6-8yrs of education DOESN'T include.LOL </div></div>
Well . . . I hate to tell you this but it is the jurors who didn't exercise common sense and rendered teh verdict. You can blame it on the lawyers all you want, but the jurors are the ones who weren't savvy enough to just say no.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
BINGO! You hit the nail on the head. This guy comes in here crying foul but wont offer up any other advice but running his mouth about how "he's a lawyer and knows" bla bla bla. The scare tactic is an easy way to get some poor blue collar guy to fork over $500.00 for some forms that you can do yourself for about $40.00 total cost. AND THE BATFE has approved thousands of forms under them, if they called it suspect they would question you because guess what? they have copies of your trust and exhibit A.
</div></div>
Adam,
Where have I used scare tactics in this thread or others?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
BINGO! You hit the nail on the head. This guy comes in here crying foul but wont offer up any other advice but running his mouth about how "he's a lawyer and knows" bla bla bla. The scare tactic is an easy way to get some poor blue collar guy to fork over $500.00 for some forms that you can do yourself for about $40.00 total cost. AND THE BATFE has approved thousands of forms under them, if they called it suspect they would question you because guess what? they have copies of your trust and exhibit A.
</div></div>
Adam,
Where have I used scare tactics in this thread or others?
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So you're saying any person cannot just up and make their own trust? </div></div>
Nope, have never said that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They cant buy a program, follow the instructions, have it notarized and it wont hold up? </div></div>
Never said that either. I have friends who have done this and the ATF hasn’t kicked their door down.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or are you saying a C3 dealer cant make a trust for you, or even assist you in getting one done? </div></div>
If the dealer isn't an attorney, he cannot prepare a trust. I see no reason why he can't say that the customer can do a trust through Quicken, Legal Zoom or hire an attorney to prepare the trust.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will disagree with some of that. </div></div>
It’s a free country. I am not sure what you are disagreeing with in my posts.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You make it sound like a lawyer would have to set up every angle of the trust and then have it amended. </div></div>
Never said this or even insinuated it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think thats another way for lawyers to make a quick $500.00 and stroke their ego that they know everything about NFA items. </div></div>
I don't charge $500 to amend a trust that I created. I never said that the grantor had to go to a lawyer to amend the trust. In fact, I never said that anyone had to have a lawyer prepare the trust. I said that dealers who are not lawyers are practicing law without a license when they create or prepare a trust for a customer I also elaborated the statement by saying that the dealers are taking on unnecessary liability when they do what Hoopster is doing. I thought that was clear and simply stated.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I also find it saddening that you as a lawyer and firearms enthusiast are on here talking down to people acting like your the king of shit mountain. </div></div>
Well that's alright. Maybe you are also one of the butt hurt crowd. I find it sad that you didn’t take the time to read my posts and understand what I was saying before your feelings got hurt. I don't see where I am acting like King shit or anything else. Facts are facts.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you need to stop typing and look at the way some of your potential clients are now viewing you. If I was in texas I wouldnt work with you, I would be worried about you getting unhappy and then calling me "butt hurt". poor form sir..... </div></div>
That's alright. Like I said its a free country and you pays your money and you makes your choices. Its possible after talking to you that I wouldn't take you on as a client. Who knows. Maybe if you are in Texas, you can stop by and I'll buy the first round of Good Kentucky Bourbon and we can discuss it in a gentlemanly manner
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So you're saying any person cannot just up and make their own trust? </div></div>
Nope, have never said that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They cant buy a program, follow the instructions, have it notarized and it wont hold up? </div></div>
Never said that either. I have friends who have done this and the ATF hasn’t kicked their door down.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or are you saying a C3 dealer cant make a trust for you, or even assist you in getting one done? </div></div>
If the dealer isn't an attorney, he cannot prepare a trust. I see no reason why he can't say that the customer can do a trust through Quicken, Legal Zoom or hire an attorney to prepare the trust.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will disagree with some of that. </div></div>
It’s a free country. I am not sure what you are disagreeing with in my posts.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You make it sound like a lawyer would have to set up every angle of the trust and then have it amended. </div></div>
Never said this or even insinuated it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think thats another way for lawyers to make a quick $500.00 and stroke their ego that they know everything about NFA items. </div></div>
I don't charge $500 to amend a trust that I created. I never said that the grantor had to go to a lawyer to amend the trust. In fact, I never said that anyone had to have a lawyer prepare the trust. I said that dealers who are not lawyers are practicing law without a license when they create or prepare a trust for a customer I also elaborated the statement by saying that the dealers are taking on unnecessary liability when they do what Hoopster is doing. I thought that was clear and simply stated.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I also find it saddening that you as a lawyer and firearms enthusiast are on here talking down to people acting like your the king of shit mountain. </div></div>
Well that's alright. Maybe you are also one of the butt hurt crowd. I find it sad that you didn’t take the time to read my posts and understand what I was saying before your feelings got hurt. I don't see where I am acting like King shit or anything else. Facts are facts.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you need to stop typing and look at the way some of your potential clients are now viewing you. If I was in texas I wouldnt work with you, I would be worried about you getting unhappy and then calling me "butt hurt". poor form sir..... </div></div>
That's alright. Like I said its a free country and you pays your money and you makes your choices. Its possible after talking to you that I wouldn't take you on as a client. Who knows. Maybe if you are in Texas, you can stop by and I'll buy the first round of Good Kentucky Bourbon and we can discuss it in a gentlemanly manner
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
Lazy's thread got toe up!
Can we end the Blue Collar Sport Fucking? No but we can give directional wisdom.
Seriously, get the program and be done with it such as Hundreds if not thousands have before you. Find a friend that has one, that passed and take notes on the "purpose".
Lazy's thread got toe up!
Can we end the Blue Collar Sport Fucking? No but we can give directional wisdom.
Seriously, get the program and be done with it such as Hundreds if not thousands have before you. Find a friend that has one, that passed and take notes on the "purpose".
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
Sorry guys. I should have ignored Hoopster & KYshooter338. None of us like misinformation.
I dont like Hoopster & Adam taking potshots and misquoting me.
Like I said its a free country.
Sorry guys. I should have ignored Hoopster & KYshooter338. None of us like misinformation.
I dont like Hoopster & Adam taking potshots and misquoting me.
Like I said its a free country.
Re: Texas attorney that you have used for a trust
Do not address me by my first name, you havent earned that. But your name however is very fitting Mr. Rat.
And as far as your scare tactics you make it sound like if we dont have a lawyer prepare our trusts the ATF will kick our doors in. Thats false. I have more friends going the trust route then I can keep track of. They are all doing just fine and like I said earlier the ATF has copies of your trust on file with every piece of paperwork you send in. Pretty clear that if there was an issue they would be all over you or your next forms would be declined or you would be sent a problem form.
Why are you so hung up on your butt hurting?
Oh and we arent taking potshots at you, we are telling it how it is. And Boltripper was busting on you too for your information.
Do not address me by my first name, you havent earned that. But your name however is very fitting Mr. Rat.
And as far as your scare tactics you make it sound like if we dont have a lawyer prepare our trusts the ATF will kick our doors in. Thats false. I have more friends going the trust route then I can keep track of. They are all doing just fine and like I said earlier the ATF has copies of your trust on file with every piece of paperwork you send in. Pretty clear that if there was an issue they would be all over you or your next forms would be declined or you would be sent a problem form.
Why are you so hung up on your butt hurting?
Oh and we arent taking potshots at you, we are telling it how it is. And Boltripper was busting on you too for your information.
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