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The backfire hunting challenge.
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Those of you saying whatever about not being able to do it with a Tikka because it's a poors riflle ?
WT ever lovin F ?
There were guys doing it before you were born with a A3O3 and Garands....M14s...and old ass M70s and 700s.
I would place a Tikka at least as accurate as any of those.
I don't mean going 100 for 100, I mean able to make consistant hits at that range.
Oh a Tikka and a Vortex....the horror.
To those that suggested that shit I would go so far as to say you couldn't do it with a AI, custom rolled ammo and a ....well whatever the scope of the weak is.....I mean week. ZCO, TT, S&B....whatever.
Come out here to the grasslands, you won't get a shot at less than 200 yards because the bambi's have better eyes than you do.
Well....unless the bambi is an absolute retard and yea I've seen that....but a healthy deer, no f'n way.
Strangely enough plenty of deer are taken here and some even with lever guns.
Go figger.
It's always been the driver and not the car.
As long as the car isn't way outclassed a good driver will make it competitive.
WT ever lovin F ?
There were guys doing it before you were born with a A3O3 and Garands....M14s...and old ass M70s and 700s.
I would place a Tikka at least as accurate as any of those.
I don't mean going 100 for 100, I mean able to make consistant hits at that range.
Oh a Tikka and a Vortex....the horror.
To those that suggested that shit I would go so far as to say you couldn't do it with a AI, custom rolled ammo and a ....well whatever the scope of the weak is.....I mean week. ZCO, TT, S&B....whatever.
Come out here to the grasslands, you won't get a shot at less than 200 yards because the bambi's have better eyes than you do.
Well....unless the bambi is an absolute retard and yea I've seen that....but a healthy deer, no f'n way.
Strangely enough plenty of deer are taken here and some even with lever guns.
Go figger.
It's always been the driver and not the car.
As long as the car isn't way outclassed a good driver will make it competitive.
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I like the tikka and vortex... lol
I'll put forth the Shooters performance is not representative of the rig and I'm pretty sure it didn't hold him back lol.
I'll put forth the Shooters performance is not representative of the rig and I'm pretty sure it didn't hold him back lol.
I do wonder if it still has the plastic bottom *metal* though....
That's the only thing you really need to swap out before even shot #1 gets lit off.
Other than that they are one of the very few good hunting type rifles out of the box....maybe Bergara and Weatherby if you get a lucky Wednesday build and not a Monday or Friday rifle....Sakos too obviously, same plant, same builders.
Other possibilities. The scope took a shit mid session. Something came loose, the Tikka strings badly when hot.
I would like to see some people shoot 100 rounds of 300wm out of a sub 10 pound rifle. This aint your 25 pound 6 BRA we are taking about here.
"Carry a bag in the field." I am in the short grass flat plains of the untied states and I rarely have a shot hunting where I can get high enough off the ground with a bipod. Let alone use any kind of squeeze bag.
This video is what it looks like when square range never got off their belly or bench guys have to do some actual field shooting.
I would like to see some people shoot 100 rounds of 300wm out of a sub 10 pound rifle. This aint your 25 pound 6 BRA we are taking about here.
"Carry a bag in the field." I am in the short grass flat plains of the untied states and I rarely have a shot hunting where I can get high enough off the ground with a bipod. Let alone use any kind of squeeze bag.
This video is what it looks like when square range never got off their belly or bench guys have to do some actual field shooting.
There are times when watching the few videos Backfire does...the way he talks and mannerisms I envision a blue bonnet on his head with a baby rattle. Only slightly less cringe than the fucken shit talking lying Marine poser. I am not supporting the notion USMC marksmanship translates 100% to precision rifle, but the pure lack of skill/basic fundamentals of this fuck is astonishing. (Someone mentioned even the diopter of the scope screwed all the way in, don't know of any scope that can have proper reticle focus like that)
The first WTF I had is someone selecting a lightweight 300WM for this challenge and using a "They have a great warranty scope".
I'm surprised a bit that some NRL competitor didn't take Backfire up on this challenge. I mean "surprised a bit" since its possible these guys don't watch or even like Backfire...
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see below. then see below that for a breakdown.
this.
it isn't the tikka....it isnt the scope. it is the fact that #1 he choose a 300wm in a hunting weight rifle KNOWING he was going to have to shoot it 100x's. the recoil he had to take..... that alone set him up to fail. he probably would have done a lot better with a 243. it was his second mistake....the first being allowing his gunboat mouth to overload his rowboat ass.
and that is just the absolute beginning of his long list of mistakes.
The challenge stated hunting, not Gucci rest, or a gamers style event. The whole thing was a set up for failure, from the gate.
I mean this is the rifle I take hunting plus I carry a RRS Ascend 14L in my backpack with me. Pretty sure an 18” 6.5 PRC shooting the 143 ELDX at 2800 fps would be able to hold its own.
Interesting, but not true. The rear can be and has been managed in many ways other than a bag for as long as man has been shooting.
Just for everyone that thinks they are all that, @j-huskey puts on a match at Hard Rock that is just 20 rds not 100 like the thread challenge. It's a simple 1 moa course of fire from 600 to 1K. I would like to see how many expert internet shooters first are even allowed to shoot it as its an invitational only, let alone their posted score. There have been some national names, and every kind of smoke pole gunsmith/shop represented over the last 22 years that I know of and all have failed to achieve a clean. There are 4 chamber classes to ply your wears in, including the 6.5 Gucci mores down to 223 & up to 300WM. Most all of your gamer tools can be use from the bench, so showing the world how to do it should not be an issue, should it?
I agree, that's why I deleted my original post. What I mean, is if you have time to plan, and you are an avid shooter you would bring some form of rear support especially if this is an accuracy challenge. Sure, it can be managed differently. Caylen does a great video of shooting without a rear bag. So, for me, it is a red flag that the shooter has bino's, a rangefinder, and no rear bag. I have an OG Game Changer with light fill that I keep in my vehicle, and it goes everywhere with me.
i don't see anyone saying they are "all that". this guy was a complete fucking fool, lacking any grip on reality and having absolutely zero humility.
if you get twisted up about that, then you are probably cut of the same cloth as that guy.
Laughing, its openly here 24/7. 1/4 -1/2 moa all day everyday by many, yet when invites are extended they want to point fingers. We have been down this road many times, over the last 22 years I've been here. Just different avenues of approach each time.
He's also a bit of an asshole to his wife lol....teaches her to shoot on a braked mid-weight 6.5CM and then gives her a lightweight, unbraked .300WM to shoot out to a mile and helps her develop a noticeable flinch.
Yeah that’s a dick move, it’s one thing to give your buddies a heavy recoiling rifle to shoot but you don’t do that shit to your wife.
It’s like a buddy of ours that gives his girlfriend his smokeless muzzle loader to hunt with. It’s a 300gr bullet at 2400 fps on a light stock with a hard recoil pad and she is a twig. He just takes her out hunting with it and never had her practice with it because she would never want to shoot it again.
I’m substantially larger, my rifle is heavier with a better recoil pad, years of experience shooting sporter weight magnums and I still got mine cut down and suppressed to make the recoil tolerable. It will be a miracle if she doesn’t need stitches after she shoots it.
not sure what you are trying to say.....but you are blathering on about something. it comes off like you are positioning yourself as some kind of guru. horsefeathers.
No guru here for sure, and @j-huskey or anyone I've ever shot with at Hard Rock well attest to that. I just love watching reality meet perception just like the video posted. All thru the years here, many have talked the talk but never seem to show up where other posters here, can be schooled.
Hilarious and probably on point. Texas Predator Hunting podcast on the Mike the Marine debacle.
At least the first half.
At least the first half.
I didn't watch all of it because I've got stuff to do today, but what I did watch was hilarious.
That was just some guide in WY trying to do his own version of the challenge. The Backfire guy had nothing to do with that video.
Guys who use the term "shells" for cartridges make my skin crawl. It's as bad as nails on a blackboard. He also introduced his video with a "hey do you know who Backfire is?" comment...yeah man, you have 900 subscribers and he's nearing 900K...nobody knows who you are (and for good reason).
Anyways at around shot #11 he missed three in a row. I stopped watching at that mark because I got embarrassed for him.
But I will give him credit that he tried, filmed it, and didn't edit out his misses. That's more honesty than you'll get in a lot of YouTube creators.
Did a hell of a lot better than that poser Marine on Backfire. Basically night & day. Looks like his POI walks a bit right when the barrel heats up.
He is a decent shooter and only a couple critiques on his form. Body alignment on the rifle, and connection of gun to shooter could use some polish.
I didn't catch if he stated the wind speed and his correction. His slight right hits could have been a layup of the wind he didn't catch.
He went back and cleaned them after a little barrel cool. It's not likely someone shoots this many rounds hunting. More like 3 tops big game hunting. At least he got to learn a characteristic of his rifle, even if it won't matter in actual hunting situations. I certainly didn't get the cringe for this dude. If he would have taken the time to review his first miss or had a spotter he would have picked up on the slight right POI change and hit them the first go.
That guy is what happens when you go from a shooting/hunting noob who knows how to make decent videos to a genuine "content creator" in three years. His popularity skyrocketed his natural learning curve, and created a situation where you have a YouTube "expert" making the same mistakes that dudes with just a few years of experience make.
If his wife wasn't in on the money-making aspect of his channel there's a 98% chance this was her last time shooting. Giving hard-recoiling guns to women and children isn't funny or cool, it makes you an ass. No better method to shy a new shooter away from the hobby and protecting our 2A rights.
I finally got around to watching it. The dude definitely shoots on a routine basis. Most of his hits around 300 judging by the splash were on the right side of the jugs. As it got farther his misses were all right, with the exception of one that went high I think. Not sure if his zero was a little off, fighting wind, who knows. That pencil barrel profile didn't help his case any. It did seem to settle down after it cooled off a little.
Ammo staged in direct sun. Loaded round sitting in a hot chamber while ranging/setting up for the next shot. I'm sure that didn't help either. But the guy was a pretty good shot nonetheless.
I take my Game Changer, empty the sand and then fill it with polystyrene foam balls and then attach it to the rear of my sling with a carabiner for hunting season.
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The picture says you take that rifle waiting.
In that instance yes, I took it waiting in the morning then walking in the afternoon because I didn’t kill a thing that day.
The downside to punching your buck tag opening morning means you drive for everyone else the rest of the season.
How many calories are in crayons? Private Pyle here definitely always kept the footlocker chambered with a jelly donut.
I brought up that point on another forum. no one gave two shits. I fully agree with you though. Why would you do that to someone you cared about and then use it for click bait. Not someone I'd want to associate with.
This 100%.
I've seen this many times where a new guy shows up to 600-1000 yard F class match with a factory pencil barrel Rem 700 and box ammo and comes in last place and can't understand "why".
And it could certainly be shooter error to bring the wrong gear, let alone bad technique and possibly cheap ammo that has a variance of 10 to 20 fps which makes a bigger difference the farther out you go.
So, one could say, the average hunting rifle, even an expensive one, that is great for hiking and taking one, maybe two shots at an elk at 500 yards is still not going to be the right tool for PRS.
PRS is going to require a more conscientious build of parts that have had more time into them in the making to be more consistent, as well as the time and OCD behavior it takes to make consistent ammo.
I have learned the hard way. And so, watch out for the asshole who comes in here and says his cheap hunting rifle in .308 is a .5 MOA rifle. He will have something to learn.
Oh, wait - that was me. And I have learned. I have learned a lot being here and so this forum is very much a valuable resource.
And the constant roasting of each other is entertaining.
Apparently Eric Cortina is going to give it a go.
Should be fun to watch.
Should be fun to watch.
As soon as he pulled out the Needsmore, I was like "That one!" I didn't even need to see the rest of the choices lol.
I even said that in the comment section.
I remember when he started the experiment with those two rifles. I didn't follow it closely, but I saw a few videos along the way.
But after watching the whole video, I hope he goes with the factory rifle if it meets his accuracy standard.
I even said that in the comment section.
I remember when he started the experiment with those two rifles. I didn't follow it closely, but I saw a few videos along the way.
But after watching the whole video, I hope he goes with the factory rifle if it meets his accuracy standard.
