Had I any faith whatsoever in law enforcement or our justice system, I’d be screaming from the roof tops:
MAKE SCAPHISM GREAT AGAIN!!!!
MAKE SCAPHISM GREAT AGAIN!!!!
The death penalty.
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I think you guys changed my mind. While i think murderers and kiddie fuckers should have a slow and agonizing death i trust the government about as much as a tranny in a room full of kindergartners
Fucking junkies do it on the streets everyday. You would think that gov and medical people could get it right, yeah?
My view of the death penalty is that, as appealing as it is for some of the human animals we read about, its sufficiently imprecise to justify the ultimate and irreversible punishment of death. Seen too many people let out on old murder convictions that were proved innocent by more modern tech such as DNA.
I hope you have stronger feelings than just mistrust. Government is run by evil people who are supported by millions more that have no moral qualms working to the satisfaction of these same evil people, with plenty willing to carry a gun to force their agenda onto the rest of us. I despise gov and the people that work on the inside to fuck the rest of us.
I said that to say while I was a death penalty supporter when I was ignorant to the world around me, I no longer support state sanctioned anything. I do support victims and/or those around them taking matters into their own hands just as the fellow at the restaurant did. This is justice and is exactly what gov’t doesn’t want.
Well said. I cant imagine much worse than being put to death for something you didnt do. Thats why I give to the Innocence Project.
Meh....I subscribe to the "kill'em all, God will sort them out" school of thought.
Sure, there have been a FEW mistakenly condemned, most of those framed by a corrupt government.
The fact of the matter is, those folks were going to die anyway. So are you and I. If, at some later time, that person was discovered to have been wrongfully killed by the government, well, may his heirs never have to work another day and may the prosecutor and corrupt police that were involved then receive like punishment, streamed live in 1080p or whatever is the latest and greatest.
Sure, there have been a FEW mistakenly condemned, most of those framed by a corrupt government.
The fact of the matter is, those folks were going to die anyway. So are you and I. If, at some later time, that person was discovered to have been wrongfully killed by the government, well, may his heirs never have to work another day and may the prosecutor and corrupt police that were involved then receive like punishment, streamed live in 1080p or whatever is the latest and greatest.
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I'm going to agree that bleeding out is definitely NOT a pleasant way to go. One of the worst deaths I witnessed was a patient in DIC (disseminated intravascular coagulopathy) from chemo. for metastatic cancer - bleeding out of every orifice (like a hemorrhagic virus) faster than we could replace (including clotting factors & platelets) in a state-of-the-art hematology-oncology unit. Convinced me then and there if I ever had that original diagnosis not to have treatment. Sidenote: Just watched today that the next "planned pandemic" is going to be a respiratory-spread hemorrhagic virus to induce the most fear and compliance. Of course, it will be a bioweapon lab-created virus, spread by genetically modified mosquitoes, for which the mRNA vaccines have already been made (along the lines of Marburg, Ebola). The fear created by watching that kind of death in any magnitude is unimaginable; the ones responsible, gaming it and funding it right now in Davos are the ultimate in their despicable, evil hatred for humanity. I digress...
The use of death by injection is very compassionate, Versed (midazolam) is typically first agent in most protocols as I recall that induces a pleasant relaxation/sedation.
The OP wanted this to be about method and not about the Death Penalty itself but of course this thread "went there".
Thats the problem. I've witnessed the corruption of the courts and judicial system, as well as twisted logic of the people both in charge "at face value" and behind it. Our political prisoners from J6 are dealing with conditions that the worst convicted murderers in this country are protected from; and there is little doubt that those behind it would have no problem with execution very soon for political dissidence as they get more unrestricted power. They have ZERO problems with their non-existent conscience killing innocent children under false pretenses as an acceptable collateral damage in their power and control game.
I previously considered myself "strongly" pro-death penalty in appropriate scenarios, because of law and order, right vs. wrong, civility etc. Problem is, do we all trust the FBI not to manipulate evidence? Even DNA evidence? Not so much anymore. I understand the science, but things can definitely be "planted", end up on computers, in evidence lockers etc. In a perfect system, with the science we have today there shouldn't be much question. But add the human element of "the end justifies the means" as demonstrated recently and we have big problems. Caught in the act with "add-ons", aggravating factors like vulnerability of victims, cruelty/torture; I think we are vengeful by human nature for the most part.
There is no fool-proof lie-detection testing, DNA testing, truth-serum testing, at this point that cannot be manipulated.
And there in lies the problem. How is a death penalty determined and how can that determination be altered, falsified, or interpreted incorrectly?
My above comments were based purely on secular civil beliefs and current dogma. Mention "eye for an eye" (versus "turning the other cheek") and we are getting into Judeo-Christian theology. I almost started on a discourse of pro and anti-death penalty opinions based not he Bible, but didn't want to overstep Forum rules. I'll throw this out to the last "Bible study group", anybody who wants in on the conversation is welcome; pm me to join.
Actually, although there's about ten things that warrant death in the Old Testament of the Bible, pedophilia is one of two listed in the New Testament, and its listed twice: Matthew 18:6 and Mark 9:42:
"Whomever causes one of the little ones who believe to stumble; it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone around his neck and drown in the depths of the sea".
The problem is, that's not super specific.
What do you define as "little ones?"
13 year old girls that are perfectly good with carjacking and murdering people and think it's fine because it's fun?
12 year olds that carry out genocide and rape because they are told to?
14 year olds that commit multiple murders because they don't like house rules?
15 year olds with impressive criminal records that many adults never get close to?
10 year olds that murder their mother because they weren't given the latest stupid tech from FaceBook?
6 year olds that bring guns to school and shoot their teachers?
Too many folks seem to have some kind of blinders on and have some mystical idea that somehow "children" (they never seem to be able to clearly say what children are) are so nice and innocent and pure.
I figure you start robbing, carjacking, murdering, raping, thuging, assaulting, well then welcome to the adult world and full on consequences for your choices.
I'll get significantly upset about significantly older humans taking out their lust on prepubescent humans. After that, getting upset or not is going to depend a lot on the situation.
A 13 year old thug and their gang of similar age humans can rob you, beat you to a pulp, rape you and kill you just as badly as older people. The news bears this out regularly (seems to be done disproportionately by 13% types but not exclusively).
Young humans are growing into evil at an astonishingly quick rate these days it seems, or perhaps they always did but people chose to ignore it.
My understanding of that is that one needs to be careful what doctrine they are putting in front of the young as well as those young in the faith. In that case I see no reference to pedophilia...though it could.
Not all deaths are administered by medical personnel (as in MDs), there was a controversy about that when the Hippocratic oath mattered (although I think nurse anesthetists and RN's have been used).
It actually pertains more to what we would call the groomers (but might not be limited to sex, it could include idolatry, occult practice as well)...pedophilia existed back then too (Sodom and Gomorrah references "boys and men").
That would generally seem to not be a good idea, as most 11 year olds aren't old enough to set the table, so from just a standpoint of biology it seems a bit premature. That would be more the time they should be learning the science and theory of things to prepare them for later years.
However until recently, 14 year olds in Texas could get married to whomever they wanted so long as they had permission from their parents and a Judge.
Many Western European countries consider 16 year olds plenty old enough to make their own choices.
It would be wrong to say that people in their teens do not have agency of their own or decide to claim it when it comes to being able to make choices with significant repercussions, as they regularly do it all the time so it's a bit of a complex subject.
So it's an interesting subject that might have to be debated in a changing world. Especially as the huge amount of male and female hormones in the water supply and other hormones in the food and plastics seem to be speeding up the physical development of young humans while society is making them less emotionally and intellectually stable.
Historically most ancient societies eventually preferred to get folks married off before they got too sexually active and most decided to base it somewhere around when humans were able to properly reproduce.
Part of the problem I think is that because the puritanical society in the USA has such a warped and twisted view on sexuality, young people are often not properly prepared and given the information they need for one of the most important parts of life.
Sure folks will be happy to teach some young person how to kill animals or if needed humans and feel all good and patriotic about it.
But teach them the scientific facts of their bodies, the details of how relationships work, explain the mechanics of reproduction and the consequences and options? Too many times what is a huge, and vastly important part of life is simply not taught and they are left to figure it out on their own by error.
Often sadly the only information they get is exposure to crude and twisted hypersexualized, unrealistic examples of the human body and mating.
They are told oh sex is something we aren't going to talk about and you shouldn't think it exists, yet often when the local school needs money they dress all the young women and men up in skimpy clothes for carwash fund raisers or other things where older humans are invited to look and pay money, just make sure you only look and secretly lust and nothing more.
Social media and entertainment are awash with invitations to young people to taunt others with their bodies for money or fame but nobody seems to want to warn folks that you play bait, something may come around to sink its teeth in.
Like parents that whine about why did predators show up at our house when all our daughter was doing was posting scantily clad photos of themselves on snapchat and Tik Tok to earn a couple thousand extra a month??
For me of course, the whole thing is simply an interesting academic exercise and all about how to build or rebuild society, thirty year olds seem a bit young and immature to me and twenty year olds are downright annoying and to be avoided like the plague.
I used to be a strong supporter of the death penalty, but now I see just how caruupt the govt is I can no longer support capital punishment.
I am sure that when we "put down" our pets it is painless. One of the hardest things for a person to do. If they use the same thing for our dogs and cats on people, I have a feeling we would know. I think of (ALMOST, more on that later) anytime I have had a surgery. You will feel a little burn where your IV is then you are out like a light, there is no fighting it I tried for fun before, you are out. No dream no nothing, you just wake backup in recovery. If they give you something that will "end it" during that time I have little doubt it would be painful. This is basically what they do to animals.....4 legged kind, and I would imagine the two legged kind as well.
I am all for it if there is actually ZERO doubt. We have video, we have photos the sicko took (you would be shocked) anything along those lines. An express lane IMHO.
Now a "botched" job, I can see it happening, I think if man can do it he will find some way to screw it up. Nothing made by man is perfect.
Now to where I almost died on a cold table on a cold room....
I was having a nero stimulator "installed", you are awake for this bit of joy but are pretty wasted. What they do is basically take a stick a rather large needle in your back and into where your spinal column is and fish this wire up next to it. The goal is for this wire to get near where your damaged nerves are, when there you will feel like that area has "fallen asleep", start to tingle. That tingle is to "over ride" the pain of the nerve damage. So you have to be there to say I feel it in my shoulder but not my elbow....that kind of thing. So you are awake, but when I am that stoned I turn into a chatty Kathy, and I am just babbling away. The OR staff is having issues keeping me on task and talking to them.
What I (Think) happened is they adjusted whatever they are giving me and I started to get real hot and real fidgety, not good when you have needles next to your spinal column. I am going on how hot I am not feeling good and starting to wiggle. They are saying you need to stay still, and I am saying I need to get out of her. Then like it is seared into my mind I remember hearing them say he is down to 18 beats per minute. Last thing I remember. Woke up in recovery and it took a while to put two and two together. It was only much later did I find out they almost killed me.
Still even with that there was no pain, there was panic however and even stoned off my ass I was ready to get out of there and trying to find my gun. I guess where is my weapon is something Dr's don't hear very often.
I think there are a great many drugs they could use to end someone that raped a 4yr old and videoed himself doing it, I just don't see why when people know that they don't want to do it. I really think it is because they don't see the video.
I was going to send you a PM but then thought I might catch someone else that might get some good out of my experience, so here in public is your PM.
For me it worked till it stopped, then no matter how high I turned it nothing stopped the pain. I might have my legs tingling so badly I could not stand (airport security scanners might do this) but I still wanted an ax to cut the part off.
What helped me is nerve frequency ablation. (as I understand) they hit the nerves with radio waves to zap nerves in a specific spot. THIS WORKED for me. But the procedure is not a lot of fun, and actually quite painful, but if you are this far down the road you have felt worse pain already.
My issue is my lower back, so for me I am flat on my stomach I don't know if you have issues with other areas if it is different or not.
What it is you are laying there awake again, under some basic sedation, they say they are going to stick you with a needle and when (IIRC) you feel a full feeling in the area that is causing the pain you let them know. In the background you hear a computer counting 1......2.........3.........4. If you don't feel it in the right spot they try again. I will not kid you this is clenched teeth clenched fists hurts. The anesthesiolgist guy is right in front of my nose and I asked him if he could do me a two martini lunch, no make that three. He said he can't but it is almost over.
After it was over and I took a nap at home, it felt like I was a human again. ZERO pain. They say it will last 1-5 years depending on the person. I am about year 3 and starting to have issues again, but not bad enough yet and that is likely stupid thinking that way.
But that works, ask about it.
The case against the death penalty basically amounts to this: The Left needs a big government to do the most possible good, but after horrors of genocide by the Nazi's and Commies, they learned from their experience with the Nazi's and Commies that so much power concentrated with the state can be dangerous if it is allowed to inflict violence, on its own citizens or on the citizens of other countries. So they adopted the value of pacifism, the idea that it is wrong to kill anyone for any reason, and that the state would embed this value into everything it touches, from the courts, to the education system, to the culture, the police and criminal justice system, everything. This is how you get a modern-day Europe, the police don't go into certain neighborhoods, they're mostly unarmed and don't need to be because they've banned all the guns, and no death penalty. The moment the government is allowed to "kill" a citizen, the whole "big government" experiment becomes problematic. This is considered "progressive." And the Left in the United States sit and wish to mirror this European "advancement" here at home.
TLDR: You can't have big government if that big government is allowed to perpetrate violence, especially on its own citizens. So you have to counter the idea of socialism with the value of pacifism. This is how the Left corrects the errors of their genocidal past and allows them to keep that dream of utopia, heaven on earth alive.
TLDR: You can't have big government if that big government is allowed to perpetrate violence, especially on its own citizens. So you have to counter the idea of socialism with the value of pacifism. This is how the Left corrects the errors of their genocidal past and allows them to keep that dream of utopia, heaven on earth alive.
That could work.
I don’t believe we need to terrorize the condemned, as that sends a bad message to future generations.
I’ve witnessed a beheading in the Middle East (yea they really do push westerners to the front to get a good view) and that ‘looked’ painless / quick. But didn’t sleep for a couple of days as others there noted and I’m not sure executions should be televised, at least for kids to view.
High concentration of fentanyl gas (or enema) would leave no track marks and be fairly fast.
But, If you want the ultimate in fast and painless, go with a nuclear vaporization , it’s all done in 28 billionths of a second, and no body to deal with
.Realizing how many millions the State of Texas alone pays in lawyers fees for mandatory appeals for death row inmates ($2-5M each and expecting federal is more) , it might be reasonable to just super-max life without parole all the death row inmates, as it’s less expensive to society.
Any sentence over 20 years should be the death penalty, executed within 30 days. Bring back public hangings at the courthouse and make sure children see the consequences of really bad choices.
Unvaxxed? Death penalty.
Speak out against your child being abused in school. Death penalty.
Disagree with gov’t murdering people in the name of covid. Death penalty.
Election denier. Death penalty.
Believe in individuality (most of you don’t anyhow). Death penalty.
Protect yourself and those around you. Death penalty.
Don’t pay ever increasing taxes (extortion money. ) Death penalty.
Don’t kneel to the state. Death penalty.
Government good. I agree.
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And what of those who are wrongfully convicted. How do you give their lives back?
Before I get into a rant about the death penalty, I have a question, stupid though it may seem, Why, do they always sterilize the site where the needle is inserted, to inject the chemical that induces death. Its not like the prep is going to be around long enough to get an infection or anything…. The fellow is gonna be dead in a few minutes. 
Now the rant. I am against the death penalty, too quick, too easy, too much ”superstar/celebrity” status. I say, we put em out in a hot desert all summer and let them make sand out of boulders and then ship em up to Alaska during the winters and let em make crushed ice out of icebergs all the winter. All the time giving them just enough food/water/medical care to survive a long and MISERABLE life. (That’s what the victims who survive and the survivors of the victims have to go though. A long life, missing their loved ones).
Now the rant. I am against the death penalty, too quick, too easy, too much ”superstar/celebrity” status. I say, we put em out in a hot desert all summer and let them make sand out of boulders and then ship em up to Alaska during the winters and let em make crushed ice out of icebergs all the winter. All the time giving them just enough food/water/medical care to survive a long and MISERABLE life. (That’s what the victims who survive and the survivors of the victims have to go though. A long life, missing their loved ones).
Have to do our best to not convict the not guilty. The rest won't get their lives back.
Any and ALL that are involved with 'wrongful convictions' should have the SAME penalty applied to them, as-was given to the defendant.
Simple rule, right there, that would BEGIN to ensure that ALL involved started/began to build some integrity. That would be life-changing AND societal-changing outlook, right there. If you think about it.
And if youre the wrongfully convicted and about to be executed, how loud will you wail?
Seems reasonable, but aren't planes kinda expensive?
I won't be arrested for something I didn't do. I'm too damn old to let it happen. I won't say anything more about this.
You may not say anymore about 'this' but people get arrested for things they didnt do all the time. Sitting at home watching the vididiot and some one identifies them. Some end up on death row or with life, because a bimbo accused them.
Will it happen? Unlikely. Could it or does it happen? Check out the Innocence Project link. Or dont, but your attitude dosnt change jack.
Unfortunately, a lot of “exonerated” cases do not equal “innocence.
The liberals simply throw shit claims at the wall and see if one sticks.
Last week in Missouri a guy was executed. His case was supported by the usual suspects, Hollywood stars etc. He was a career criminal, drug dealer and general scumbag. He killed his girlfriend and her 3 children.
One small bit of evidence was her blood spatter on his glasses when he shot her in the head.
He claimed to be in California at time of murder. Guess spatter travels far.
Most of the defenses are so stupid the defenders should be killed along with the perp.
The liberals simply throw shit claims at the wall and see if one sticks.
Last week in Missouri a guy was executed. His case was supported by the usual suspects, Hollywood stars etc. He was a career criminal, drug dealer and general scumbag. He killed his girlfriend and her 3 children.
One small bit of evidence was her blood spatter on his glasses when he shot her in the head.
He claimed to be in California at time of murder. Guess spatter travels far.
Most of the defenses are so stupid the defenders should be killed along with the perp.
This is the case I was referring to.
How far does blood splatter? 1500 miles?
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I have no problem with life at hard labor, but if you kill the guy then he turns up innocent, you cant restore his life.
How about we look at this in a different way......
Look at all of the people that were on Death Row and got it reversed. Please show me those at are FIRST Time offenders. That number will be statistically insignificant so don't even bother.
Those that are having their convictions overturned are not found innocent, they are getting off on some legal technicality or change in the legal president. Finding the person that actually committed the crime and having them convicted would find them innocent. That is the kind of stuff that is ONLY in movies or TV shows.
I know that convicting someone of a crime when someone else is already convicted in next to impossible. But then again, show me the list of all of the people that got released because of the Innocent Project and show me the number of people that were tried and convicted of that same crime. That is something that will take a very short time to research..........
I agree. Death penalty should only be reserved for absolute caught in the act offenses where evidence is indisputable.
I'm not sure you actually understand what you are saying.
You are pretty much seeming to advocate we should kill people that didn't commit a murder unless we can find and convict someone else of it?
Or is it that you are fine with killing people for a crime the didn't commit just so long as they did some other things that may or may not have been bad (depending on your point of view).
I think you haven't kept up with actual real documented facts.
The Innocence Project has done amazing amounts of very good work exonerating people that were wrongly convicted, and didn't commit the crime. In many cases the DAs and other parties knowingly lied, falsified evidence, coerced witnesses and did everything crooked they possibly could so they could get a "win".
That the same jurisdiction doesn't want to actually go do the hard work now that they refused to do 30 years ago or so, doesn't make any difference in the people being innocent.
Thats silly. Have you actually looked through the stories of those who were freed by the Innocence Project or are you just talking. If someone is found not to have committed a crime what bearing should convicting someone else have on it. Many people have been convicted on false testimony for LE, 'witness's, and dirty work by DA's who just want to get a conviction.
Ya'll wouldnt be talking so loud if it was your ass about to get the needle.
Here's a personal one. A woman I had known for years falsely accused me of molesting her daughter. Had it not been for her mother and 3 brothers taking a stand and telling that I was the 3rd man she had falsely accused I would have been charged and instead of them having to prove my guilt I would have had to prove my innocence. It would have been my word against the mothers and you know how that goes. Had it not been for her family I could have done time and been branded.
Believe me, she came very close to losing her miserable life over that. The only thing that saved her was my respect for her family.
People lie all the time. There's no giving a life back.
They've got an attitude and that's about it. I'd love to hear them squeal when they were a day from the needle for something they didnt do.
I know exactly what I am saying. You may not understand, but I do.
Look up the statistics on Death Row inmates. See what percentage are 1st time offenders. It is as uncommon as finding a liberal that can look at something objectively.
You mention that DA lies...... The people on trial, defense attorneys, and EVEN the The Innocence Project LIE. That I will not even address that ......
If you look at the work the The Innocence Project does you will see that they get trials overturned most of the time because of technicalities, not finding the people innocent. There is a huge difference in the two.
If a technicality is what allows an innocent man to walk free, so be it.
If your ass was on the line you would beg, borrow, steal and kill for a technicality.
And don’t act like you wouldn’t.
The Innocence Project works on cases other than death sentences.
We will always disagree. You are clearly anti death penalty.
The concern is that the guilty walk free at a far higher rate.
And the “innocent” are almost always guilty of so many other crimes. Drug dealing. Rape etc.
Crimes I also think should warrant the death penalty.
Let’s go back to my example above. Guy has high velocity blood spatter on his glasses which matched the victim’s DNA. Are you ok with that one? The “Innocence” project fought it tooth and nail.
I am anti death penalty and until I can trust another man that I don’t know, with my life, I will continue to be anti death penalty.
And even though the IP may have been wrong on this case about Leonard Taylor, they have done good to get innocent people out of jail/prison.
Admitting this is a prime example of why I’m anti death penalty.
People are fucked up but I’d rather be on the side of protecting a man I think is innocent than the side of a jury finding an innocent man guilty.
And even though the IP may have been wrong on this case about Leonard Taylor, they have done good to get innocent people out of jail/prison.
Admitting this is a prime example of why I’m anti death penalty.
People are fucked up but I’d rather be on the side of protecting a man I think is innocent than the side of a jury finding an innocent man guilty.
