Here's the "spy pics" from a few days ago. Now displayed at Shot Show. Booth 20,459
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The departure from "just another action company" ARC's new rifle:
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And the integrated Arca rail. I really love the aesthetics and functionality of this chassis more every time I see it. I just wish I could see mine in person.
I go back and forth on this chassis. Functionally it seems pretty well thought out, and I would love to get behind one to see how it feels.
Where I get hung up is the aesthetics. It has an industrial, almost "steam punk" look to it, that I'm just not sure if it agrees with my sensibilities or not.
I also still think there should be micarta grip panels available in different sizes and colors, to accommodate different hand sizes. A micarta cheek pad would be cool as well - having some wild micarta colors (like a vibrant red or green) on matching grips and cheek pad would look badass, and help pull it away from the industrial steam punk look, IMO.
Where I get hung up is the aesthetics. It has an industrial, almost "steam punk" look to it, that I'm just not sure if it agrees with my sensibilities or not.
I also still think there should be micarta grip panels available in different sizes and colors, to accommodate different hand sizes. A micarta cheek pad would be cool as well - having some wild micarta colors (like a vibrant red or green) on matching grips and cheek pad would look badass, and help pull it away from the industrial steam punk look, IMO.
It will. That was also discussed at length. A number of revisions have gone into the stock over the last year. Its significantly better now.
I'm with you. "Keith" is a multiple world, international, national champion and he's someone who has worked very closely with ARC on this project. The best way to describe this stock is that is very purpose-oriented from the perspective of someone actually shooting it. -Not from the viewfinder of "let's make this look cool so we can hopefully sell the shit out of em."
I totally get that there is a bit of a "visual struggle" to make that leap, but the proof is in the pudding once you climb behind it and go to work.
Last, and I realize I'm sounding like a Shamwow salesman, those of you who ordered the stocks last year are being triaged ahead of the line. The rifle won't be cut loose until those orders are completed. There are roughly 200 stocks sold. A new machine was put on ARC's floor late summer last year to ramp that up. It wasn't until that spindle fired up that things were noticed and the revisions began to trickle into the job. This sort of thing is always a creative process.
On a personal note, I can't count the number of phone calls I've had where Ted was either working on this or using me as a whiteboard on an idea. Getting it right has been the sole explanation for the delay.
I have no dog in this fight, but I just feel compelled to help where I can because I abuse my friendship with Ted on a regular basis for technical support on things. I've not physically laid hands on this platform, but his enthusiasm leads me to think its something that will prove itself as worth the wait.
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Appreciate the insight. I'm a big fan of ARC, my Mausingfield is one of, if not my favorite custom action. It was your posts on SH that sold me on the action, and it was everything you talked it up to be.
I would love to get behind this chassis, as I know it's going to be a quality product. As an engineer myself, I certainly have an affinity for products that are function over form. I still have reservations regarding the aesthetics of it, but getting behind one may make me a big believer.
I would love to get behind this chassis, as I know it's going to be a quality product. As an engineer myself, I certainly have an affinity for products that are function over form. I still have reservations regarding the aesthetics of it, but getting behind one may make me a big believer.
I think the aesthetics is the beauty of it. its a work of art. Form and function with style.
I dare say imo, Ted is like the Steve Jobs of the bolt action rifle industry.
I wish them all much success.
The grip design I tried was super comfy and it looks similar still.
Overall I see quite a few changes.
I possibly see one of these in my future.
Overall I see quite a few changes.
I possibly see one of these in my future.
Ok I’ll say it. That thing is hideous.
not to mention you will probably have to have a PHD to adjust anything in it. Yuk.
not to mention you will probably have to have a PHD to adjust anything in it. Yuk.
I felt the XYLO at SHOT last year. It just felt good to me. It was definitely function over form, but I have never been a guy to care how it looks as much as operates.
I appreciate that more work went into it. It is looking better and better.
I almost ordered one when I ordered my Nuke. And, looked again when I ordered my Archimedes.
I appreciate that more work went into it. It is looking better and better.
I almost ordered one when I ordered my Nuke. And, looked again when I ordered my Archimedes.
Eye of the beholder, and I can see lots of people not liking it.
But, the controls were simple to operate... actually simpler and easier than others put there.
So, getting back on track from the preorder bitching, what is the ARC rifle? Looks like a Xylo with an Archimedes...what barrel, trigger, price?
Barrel is a premium cut rifled blank fitted to the same standard as the rest of ARC stuff. Trigger is still being settled upon, but the stuff from Trigger Tech seems to be leading that pack.
Price is something I will let ARC share. I just don't want to misquote anything.
I wouldn’t say my XLR elements are super models but they’re comfortable, consistent and the company has treated extremely well.
the adjustments on the ARC chassis are stupid simple.
I got so caught up on the chassis I forgot this was a whole rifle!
Curious to see specs and price. I wonder if Ted is going to try and compete in the PRS production market?
Curious to see specs and price. I wonder if Ted is going to try and compete in the PRS production market?
After the Barloc and Nucleus debacle, it's tough to get behind ARC products. Hopefully, he can produce some winners but I'll wait until beta testers iron out the issues. The Archimedes action had issues in the beginning too, lol. Maybe this stock won't have any issues.
My experience with my nucleus with barloc and M10 rings has been nothing but positive.
I’d 100% buy more ARC products
I also love my ARC products. My M5 Mausingfield is damn near perfection, and I absolutely love the ARC M10 rings.
I had big hopes for the ARC mags, but those were a swing and a miss. I can see why some would feel burned by ARC, and have moved on to other companies. It's a shame, because Ted comes up with some really clever products. He does jump around a lot with developing new products, and at the rate he moves there's bound to be some quirks.
I’ve even had great results with ARC mags.
I also understand people’s frustration but unfortunately those with problems are far more vocal than those who are happily shooting their rifles so problems appear to be the majority.
I do hope Ted settles down a bit.
my last employer was constantly changing things and it was a nightmare dealing with customers and shops because of it.
In his most recent posts, he's mentioned that he's making his current focus on streamlining production, and in turn, the product line, hence the Nucleus 2.0 sharing many components with the Archimedes, Rather than trying to push to invent the next latest and greatest thing all the time. He realizes that ARC was overwhelmed, and it sounds as though he's learned from it.
I’ve seen the shop.
It’s not big with dozens of machines.
It was pretty cool to see the machines and hands that made my action.
The Barloc issues were caused by improper installation and ignoring the instructions.
I'm a happy owner of the Nucleus, Barloc, Archimedes and I'm fairly sure I'll be happy with my Xylo, even if ARC has to revise a few things after delivery.
Being an early adopter, I got discount pricing and a few bumps in the road. They were mildly inconvenient and not terribly unexpected. The end result is a couple of excellent and innovative actions.
I have no worry about my ARC purchases. Ted always makes them right and I don't think that will change as long as he is running the show.
There will always be issues venturing into uncharted territory. Making (yet another) clone M700 or Savage product doesn't take much by comparison. I think the bigger thing to look at here is ARC has never, ever left anyone hanging out to dry and they don't pretend as though mistakes aren't possible.
@LongRifles Inc. Ted acknowledges that a Barloc can be bumped and zero will shift. I would never have bought the system or barrels if I knew this and I feel like I've been left out to dry. Unless he's giving refunds on barloc systems which I haven't asked, I guess I can reach out and see what he says.
Ted has been open with his personal skepticism with the Barloc since it's inception, and it was created to provide a method that doesn't drill the receiver face for those who feel the need to have a switch-barrel device between the barrel and receiver. It was never offered as a "good idea". That said, it does do what Ted/ARC claims it does.
I've also done extensive testing with shouldered, jam-nut style, and Barloc barrels and my testing is in line with Ted's.
- Shouldered barrels can also be bumped around, especially dependent on torque applied to the barrel and how obscene of an impact you give it.
- Barloc barrels only show significant impact shift from regular bumps if the device isn't working properly (i.e. when you tighten the barloc there is no gap in the top of the "clamp"). If the device is installed and torqued properly and still has a gap up top, it takes a pretty hard smack to move POI.
I've also done extensive testing with shouldered, jam-nut style, and Barloc barrels and my testing is in line with Ted's.
- Shouldered barrels can also be bumped around, especially dependent on torque applied to the barrel and how obscene of an impact you give it.
- Barloc barrels only show significant impact shift from regular bumps if the device isn't working properly (i.e. when you tighten the barloc there is no gap in the top of the "clamp"). If the device is installed and torqued properly and still has a gap up top, it takes a pretty hard smack to move POI.
This. Ted create the barloc because consumers wanted it, not because Ted/ARC thought that the precision rifle world needed the barloc.
The more components and retention systems you add to the barrel/receiver interface, the more problems and reliability issues you potentially induce in the system.
Switch barrel systems are a gimmick IMO, and every rifle is in some ways a "switch barrel rifle".
If you buy a switch barrel rifle and then complain because the barrel that is retained by a set screw moves around more with bumps then a shouldered barrel that's torqued up to 100 ft-lbs - WTF did you expect? Doesn't take a PhD in physics to figure out that was going to happen.
I dont know the maker but i have to say it is absolutely visually unappealing. It looks like a MDT front end that someone cut in half, put on wood handle on for a pistol grip. Then realized it was to heavyy to hold with said block of billy bob wood and bolted some spare metal on for a stock.
I disagree.
For example, a Savage rifle has a barrel nut that a shouldered barrel does not, that doesn't mean that Savage barrels loosen up for no reason.
The Barloc system adds a one piece tensioner collar and a tensioner screw. Neither part is particularly high stressed, they should have great reliability.
The Barloc is a miniature jackscrew system which uses a small amount of torque on the tensioner screw to create more barrel thread preload than a barrel torqued to 150 ft-lbs. It's retained just as well or better. It's the physics that does it too.
His customers begged for it and he hesitantly made it for them would be more accurate.
I’ve whacked my barrel on trees and a friend dropped my rifle onto the barrel and My POI has never changed.
My next barrel will probably be shouldered just to try one out but I’ve never had an issue with barrel nuts or barloc.
Are you experiencing a shift from reading a forum or because you actually whacked your barrel?
The Barloc works as designed, a quick-change barrel device using only a hex-key and head space gauges.
The remedy is install the Barloc properly and don't whack the barrel.
Also, buyer's remorse is a real thing. Thus, the PX.
I don't whack my barrel but I've noticed when I transport my rifle to ranges, my first shot would be off at 100 while the rest of the groups would be touching. I always attested it to me being the cold shooter. I actually bought the nucleus because of the Barloc but I wasn't informed that poi shifts were ok by Ted. I feel cheated, lesson learned.
Hahahaha!!!
So you are experiencing cold bore/cold shooter syndrome and calling it impact shifts due to the barloc? Lmao!! You should feel cheated. That you were raised without a lick of understanding and appreciation of your own shortcomings.
Cold bore shots and/or cold shooter can be tested and isolated. If you haven't, I'd encourage you to work that out.
Knowing the man personally, I would say this is a big no. The Barloc was born from the market demand of folks wanting to swap barrels with as little effort as possible. That's it. Over the last few years, the Barloc has been shown to come with some baggage in certain instances. If every manufacturer in existence is expected to get everything "right" the first go around, then Henry Ford, the Dodge Brothers, and Bill Gates should also be gimmick peddlers as well.
Implying that there was some sort of nefarious intent is a bit of a slap and there's no reason for it. Ted is not a fink.
Wanna really solve this? How bout we all just "man up" and buy the right tools so that a direct-fit barrel can be removed/installed the way it has been proven to work for centuries.
I offer this:
IF you are a "gun nut" then this shit is in your blood and you'll be doing it for the rest of your life. Who buys one fishing pole and one hook? Acquiring a collection of "gun stuff" is part of the whole gig, so why not just squirrel a few dollars away and buy the right shit from the start?
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What is wrong with just a Savage style barrel nut and torque. Doesn't take long and is snug as a rug.
I don’t have to pull the action from my chassis to swap barrels.
XLR may not have the prettiest, but it's a damn sight better than this.
This is th ugliest thing since the McRees chassis.
If there was something wrong with the Barloc, Ted would be offering to fix it.
The fact is that the issues were caused by improper installation either by people not reading the directions with the barrel nut version or shouldered barrels with too much space between the receiver face and barrel shoulder.
Neither issue is a fault with the design of the Barloc or anything that American Rifle Company did.
The barrel companies that fouled up should be sending out washers to solve their shoulder problem. If you have a barrel nut, RTFM.
The fact is that the issues were caused by improper installation either by people not reading the directions with the barrel nut version or shouldered barrels with too much space between the receiver face and barrel shoulder.
Neither issue is a fault with the design of the Barloc or anything that American Rifle Company did.
The barrel companies that fouled up should be sending out washers to solve their shoulder problem. If you have a barrel nut, RTFM.
I think the Xylo will grow on people because everything is very purposeful.
For a real ugly one I give you the Woox Furiosa:
WOOX Furiosa Chassis - Walnut
WOOX Furiosa Chassis - Walnut ***This product ships from another warehouse location and not available at our retail store. Orders will take an additional 3-5 business days for processing, please be aware when choosing your shipping method*** WOOX Furio
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It seems like a Xylo copy except it's missing a lot of features.
I like it better than the Xylo lolI think the Xylo will grow on people because everything is very purposeful.
For a real ugly one I give you the Woox Furiosa:
WOOX Furiosa Chassis - Walnut
WOOX Furiosa Chassis - Walnut ***This product ships from another warehouse location and not available at our retail store. Orders will take an additional 3-5 business days for processing, please be aware when choosing your shipping method*** WOOX Furio
It seems like a Xylo copy except it's missing a lot of features.
Looks kind of steampunk cross between chassis and stock.
