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A 16-18 inch 6.5 kinda eliminates the whole purpose of the 6.5 cm.
I have an 18” Kimber Adirondack that flings 140’s a little over 2700 fps, it slaps mule deer like Thor’s hammer. That will be it’s “purpose”A 16-18 inch 6.5 kinda eliminates the whole purpose of the 6.5 cm.
I think having a handy deer gun is awesome. Shooting 1k plus is a different story. I was just thinking long distance shooting with 147s and not a deer Slayer from 0-400 or whatever distance.
They may want people to sell through them...
300wsm doesn’t do much for me. 338 creed could be something.
If they do 300wsm will it be a custom mag?
It is everything a 16" 308 is an more. No downside, if you want a 16" gun, 6.5C does a great job.How is a 16" 6.5 cm any different than a 16" 308?
It is everything a 16" 308 is an more. No downside, if you want a 16" gun, 6.5C does a great job.
I don't think anyone is choosing a 16" anything for dedicated LR shooting, but I could be wrong.
biggest thing 6.5 is going to give is wind advantage.
Is what it is. .308 bullet development has gone forward since the days that the .260 and 6.5 Creedmoor really got popular, and narrowed the gap. 6.5 Bullet development has also moved forward, too. You can skin it however you want, moral of the story is USUALLY the creedmoor has higher BC, similar or higher velocity, and less recoil. The .308 typically has more energy until a distance beyond what a lot of people are comfortable shooting at big game at.
In the case where you slow them both down, one advantage still remains and that's recoil.
Don’t think they make one that short. Just checked there spec sheet and it looks like 20in is the shortest
I tried to get a shorter 6.5 on a proof barrel and they just got back to me saying at this time proof is not making any short barrels but maybe the the other company might
You could always chop one of the Bartleins down. Mile High Shooting (local to me) will do it for $150. That would be the 90 degree shoulder and not tapered.
I think you already have your answer, but from my point of view, I don' reload anymore, and no 16" gun I've ever had has been able to get the velocities you are assuming. I also agree that for responsible hunting, there is no downside to the 308 in a short barrel. Most of my hunting over the years has been done exactly that way. For the N.A. game that I hunt, the energy difference between the two rounds is meaningless, and the 6.5 has less recoil and less wind affect. For playing at longer ranges on steel, the 6.5 again outperforms the 308, but that is just playing. Anyone serious about first round hits at distance is going to generally choose a longer barrel.You have me curious now.. We know 16" isn't ideal for either, so putting that aside.
So.. say a 16 inch 308 with 178gr ELDX at a BC of .552 and the 6.5 143 eldx at a BC of .625. Assuming we both have these velocities at 2500??, more or less pending hand loads or whatever. From my charts in the Ballistic AE app, the 6.5 shoots slightly flatter, but does not at any point through the 1400 yard range I capped it at, overcome the energy of the 308. At 600 the 308 had 4.78 mils of drop and 1070 ft.lbs of energy, and the 6.5 has 4.56 mils, and 970 ft lbs. At 800 we have 7.78mils in the 308 at 794 ft.lbs, and the 6.5 has 7.31mils and 733 ft.lbs.
They are pretty close at those longer distances, but I don't see the advantage for hunting unless my numbers are off. Talking from a hunting standpoint.. When you get closer at the 200 yard mark, there is a much bigger difference in the 308 energy vs the 6.5. About 325 ft.lbs difference. 308 is 1899ft.lbs vs the 6.5 at 1574 ft.lbs.
You have me curious now.. We know 16" isn't ideal for either, so putting that aside.
So.. say a 16 inch 308 with 178gr ELDX at a BC of .552 and the 6.5 143 eldx at a BC of .625. Assuming we both have these velocities at 2500??, more or less pending hand loads or whatever. From my charts in the Ballistic AE app, the 6.5 shoots slightly flatter, but does not at any point through the 1400 yard range I capped it at, overcome the energy of the 308. At 600 the 308 had 4.78 mils of drop and 1070 ft.lbs of energy, and the 6.5 has 4.56 mils, and 970 ft lbs. At 800 we have 7.78mils in the 308 at 794 ft.lbs, and the 6.5 has 7.31mils and 733 ft.lbs.
They are pretty close at those longer distances, but I don't see the advantage for hunting unless my numbers are off. Talking from a hunting standpoint.. When you get closer at the 200 yard mark, there is a much bigger difference in the 308 energy vs the 6.5. About 325 ft.lbs difference. 308 is 1899ft.lbs vs the 6.5 at 1574 ft.lbs.
Reloads or factory? My 168 FGMM is 2450 or so out of my 16" Fix.175gr SMKs go average of 2525 out of my 16" fix. The berger VLD 175s also go over 2500 for me. Seeing the same out of my father's 16" rem 700. They go even faster out of my KAC APC 16" gun into the mid 2500's. Each gun is different. Same with powder and bullets used as others have stated. Every barrel slings them different. Just beating a dead horse at this point I think. If I had a 16" 6.5cm to test out, we would have better data. Just speculation at this point.
I may have mile high chop my 22 6.5 cm Fix barrel down just for data and compairsion sake.
Reloads or factory? My 168 FGMM is 2450 or so out of my 16" Fix.
175gr SMKs go average of 2525 out of my 16" fix. The berger VLD 175s also go over 2500 for me. Seeing the same out of my father's 16" rem 700. They go even faster out of my KAC APC 16" gun into the mid 2500's. Each gun is different. Same with powder and bullets used as others have stated. Every barrel slings them different. Just beating a dead horse at this point I think. If I had a 16" 6.5cm to test out, we would have better data. Just speculation at this point.
I may have mile high chop my 22 6.5 cm Fix barrel down just for data and compairsion sake.
That’s odd as usually gas guns are slower as it siphons the gas tax to cycle the bolt...
How are peoples 16” 308s going?
What is the action like to cycle and how front heavy are the rifles?
I’ve been beating my head on the desk trying to decide between the 16” 308 MPR and the Fix for weeks since I live in Australia and seeing, handling or shooting either isn’t an option before I order but I think at the end of the day I keep going back to the AR10 mags, AR safety, narrower hand guard, lower price (here not in the US) and slightly lower weight.
Are they actually 6.3 lbs or are they heavier and the number fudged a bit?
I will cut anyone's Bartlein barrel down for $125 shipped.
I will cut anyone's Bartlein barrel down for $125 shipped.
How are peoples 16” 308s going?
What is the action like to cycle and how front heavy are the rifles?
I’ve been beating my head on the desk trying to decide between the 16” 308 MPR and the Fix for weeks since I live in Australia and seeing, handling or shooting either isn’t an option before I order but I think at the end of the day I keep going back to the AR10 mags, AR safety, narrower hand guard, lower price (here not in the US) and slightly lower weight.
Are they actually 6.3 lbs or are they heavier and the number fudged a bit?
I will cut anyone's Bartlein barrel down for $125 shipped.
jwknutson17 way to put your money where your mouth is. Tell you what. If you don’t love that 16 inch CM I’ll buy it off you after you’ve tried it.
Man. The Fix In 16 CM. Makes me salivate. Well all Fix rifles do that but still
Be interested to see the results.
Wonder how much weight will be taken off
How are peoples 16” 308s going?
What is the action like to cycle and how front heavy are the rifles?
I’ve been beating my head on the desk trying to decide between the 16” 308 MPR and the Fix for weeks since I live in Australia and seeing, handling or shooting either isn’t an option before I order but I think at the end of the day I keep going back to the AR10 mags, AR safety, narrower hand guard, lower price (here not in the US) and slightly lower weight.
Are they actually 6.3 lbs or are they heavier and the number fudged a bit?