Has anyone received the new SAC sizing die? If so what are your impressions?
I should be receiving mine the middle of next week.
I should be receiving mine the middle of next week.
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Nice mine should be here on Tuesday. I have 1000 vaper trails arriving tomorrow. We will see if they shoot better then the 105 HYB
This is New Mexico LJ.Received the Vapor Trails today but the damn wind was terrible, hopefully it will calm down tomorrow evening. I don’t think it has stop blowing for the last two years!
Is a brand new product? I thought you could only decap or mandrel with their dies and not both?I've been happy with them so far. Very consistent bump and being able to change with the shims is a nice touch. Being able to size, decap, and mandrel all in 1 stroke of the press is a huge time saver.
It's a new add on. Carbide decapper with a ground portion that expands on the upstroke. I haven't seen them on the website in a while, but if you give them a call I'm sure you'll get squared awayIs a brand new product? I thought you could only decap or mandrel with their dies and not both?
Has anybody tried the SAC decapping mandrel? Currently I am decapping, sizing, and expanded. It would be nice to make that one operation..
Yes. So far, so good. Not enough use to give a complete review. Only 200 rounds sized/decapped/mandreled thus far. I'm working on actually shooting once fired then decapped/sized/mandrel now. IOW, I've loaded 200 rounds of virgin brass and have sized/decapped,mandrel 100 for a match this weekend.Has anybody tried the SAC decapping mandrel? Currently I am decapping, sizing, and expanded. It would be nice to make that one operation..
I put all of the shims in (on top of the bushing) and I’m not getting any bump.
I am using the BRA SAC die on the Zero press, and I have to use quite a bit of camover to get it to bump. Im not sure if this is correct or not.What's weird is, myself and another guy locally (me shooting 25CM, him 6CM) have to back the die off from the shell holder in order to get proper bump with no shims installed. I was getting a .012" bump with the die set up with cam-over. That said, we're both using the MEC press, not a Zero - but really, that shouldn't make a difference between our issues?
Are you shimming the bushing, too? If not, you can likely do a bit less camover, and add appropriate bushings to get your bump.I am using the BRA SAC die on the Zero press, and I have to use quite a bit of camover to get it to bump. Im not sure if this is correct or not.
I've experienced the same thing with an RCBS rebelWhat's weird is, myself and another guy locally (me shooting 25CM, him 6CM) have to back the die off from the shell holder in order to get proper bump with no shims installed. I was getting a .012" bump with the die set up with cam-over. That said, we're both using the MEC press, not a Zero - but really, that shouldn't make a difference between our issues?
What lube are you using?I'm still learning how to use this die as well--6.5x47. On Mec press, all 4 shims in, my first run had inconsistent shoulder bump between 0 and .003". Thinking maybe I didn't let the lube dry long enough or didn't use enough. I've got some brass to process and try again soon.
I may be talking out my backside here, because I don’t have one of these dies, but just a guess - do you have the decapper adjusted down too far? You might be camming over against the decapper on the inner face of the flash hole.Hoping someone can tell me what I’m doing wrong- can’t seem to bump the shoulder at all even with using all the shims.
I did just like their YouTube video said- ram all the way up, screw in die to touch, lower ram, screw in a little more (did about 1/4 turn).
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Now with brass in the die the ram doesn’t touch the shell holder despite having cam-over I can feel.
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I put all of the shims in (on top of the bushing) and I’m not getting any bump.
.268 bushing, alpha brass.
Thanks guys
I've reached out to them and they're in contact with Area419. I guess it's a systemic problem, although they were helpful in trying to troubleshoot it Their recommendations included (1) using a Area419 shellholder system to get the bump going (which are very hard to get ahold of nowadays), and/or (2) continue playing around with the die setup until you notice "a small amount of bump happening" when not using shims and then adjust using shims from there. Sounds like it's kind of a "need to keep fine tuning the setup until it works" sorta thing. So far, haven't been able to get it working yet. Any bump I notice is is within the range of measurement error for my calipers. Fingers crossed I can get this thing up and running without having to shave off some of the die or shellholder. If anyone has any other recommendations, I'm all ears!Just out of pure curiosity, what do the folks at SAC have to say about these problems?
Send it back for a refund?...If anyone has any other recommendations, I'm all ears!
Hoping someone can tell me what I’m doing wrong- can’t seem to bump the shoulder at all even with using all the shims.
I did just like their YouTube video said- ram all the way up, screw in die to touch, lower ram, screw in
Now with brass in the die the ram doesn’t touch the shell holder desp
I put all of the shims in (on top of the bushing) and I’m not getting any bump.
Agree. I haven't seen that issue on mine. I have the die set so the A419 shell holder contacts the the die at full stroke. As a test, anyone having this issue should try removing the decapping pin or mandrel and then size the brass just to take them out of the equation.If the bottom of the die isn’t making contact with the top of the shell plate holder with brass inside than shaving any amount off the bottom of the die won’t do anything. There has to be something that is bottoming out and preventing contact and it can’t be the shoulder because that would be getting bumped back if it was. I have seen this first hand in the zero press with the sac die and with a bullet central micron precision die. I have no idea what the cause is and sac couldn’t really give an answer. I have the area 419 shell plate kit and with that I’ve been able to get my desired bump on all my brass.
@Danrobberg & @HemiPowrd – Can't thank you enough for the response here. Good to know I'm not going crazy in dealing with this issue! Just to confirm, the Area419 shellholder system fills the gap between the top of the ram and the bottom of die, correct? That way (1) you're getting contact between the shellholder and the die to ensure consistent sizing, and most importantly (2) solves the issue of not being able to get enough shoulder bump?If the bottom of the die isn’t making contact with the top of the shell plate holder with brass inside than shaving any amount off the bottom of the die won’t do anything. There has to be something that is bottoming out and preventing contact and it can’t be the shoulder because that would be getting bumped back if it was. I have seen this first hand in the zero press with the sac die and with a bullet central micron precision die. I have no idea what the cause is and sac couldn’t really give an answer. I have the area 419 shell plate kit and with that I’ve been able to get my desired bump on all my brass.