The Next Trayvon Martin Case?

[5x5]

Keep on trying to distract from your own racism. Even the Encyclopedia Britannica says you are a certified idiot. Peru is a Latin American country and by your own admission Zimmerman is Peruvian. Unless you believe a person with a Black father and a white mother is 100% white and thus not a minority. Explain your program for racially identifying people to non-socialists?

List of Latin American Countries | North America, South America, & the Caribbean

Latin America is generally understood to consist of the entire continent of South America in addition to Mexico, Central America, and the islands of the Caribbean whose inhabitants speak a Romance language. The peoples of this large area shared the experience of conquest and colonization by the

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Latin America is generally understood to consist of the entire continent of South America in addition to Mexico, Central America, and the islands of the Caribbean whose inhabitants speak a Romance language.

Since you are not very bright, I'll go ahead and try get you to understand, Peru is in fact in South America

Crushing the Hispanic guy's skull into the sidewalk instead of walking into your own living room, making your codeine cough syrup drink and getting high was a choice the "black man" made that ended poorly.

So in your eyes, if there is anything other than Arian white in a person, they become the race of the lesser ...Got it. BTW, his mother was from Peru of African ancestory so hardly hispanic . You still claiming that martin was on his porch at his door and decided to attack the fat ass following him around ? Post up the proof of that.

 

[JakeM]

Do not answer a fool according to his own folly , or you will be like him your self. Proverbs 26:4

 

[5x5]

FYI, there are a mutitude of half European/"Mexican" folks liking in Mexico.
I call them Mexicans.

R

You do realize that the ruling class or Mexico is European since it was settled by the Spanish who then mixed with the native Indians. Go to Mexico city sometime and look around.

 

[Ravenworks]

You do realize that the ruling class or Mexico is European since it was settled by the Spanish who then mixed with the native Indians. Go to Mexico city sometime and look around.

Do you ever get tired?
You flap like a ducks ass and then nothing but liquid shit.
It's just nature doing its thing I guess(I'm talking about the duck flapping it's ass and shitting)

 

[SN13]

So, if being 1/2 german and 1/2 peruvian makes Zimmerman white, does being 1/2 black and 1/2 white make people white?

@5x5

 

[Longshot231]

The last thing that I heard was that we all descended from a man and woman that listened to a talking snake and got thrown out of a garden paradise.

 

[Rthur]

You do realize that the ruling class or Mexico is European since it was settled by the Spanish who then mixed with the native Indians. Go to Mexico city sometime and look around.

That was my point...
So... some of the "latin" folks can be quite "white".

R

 

[W54/XM-388]

So in your eyes, if there is anything other than Arian white in a person, they become the race of the lesser ...Got it. BTW, his mother was from Peru of African ancestory

Actually most of us conservatives couldn't care about race at all, it's the folks on your side that keep harping on it.

So riddle me this.... Obama What race did everyone on the liberal / SJW / Democrat side hail him as being and how it was so great someone of that race was president????

His mother is about as white as you can get, whiter than me.....

What did he call himself?

 

[jakelly]

According to 5x5 he identified as the lesser race. Black.

 

[j-huskey]

The last thing that I heard was that we all descended from a man and woman that listened to a talking snake and got thrown out of a garden paradise.

Dam snek......

 

[MtnCreek]

Question: Does anyone here think these two (or three) guys would have reacted any different had it been a white methmonkey?



Slightly off topic, but the arguing a while back about whether Zimmerman did what the 911 operator told him....LOL. Who the fuck are they and why does anybody need to do what they say? Some people look for authority in everybody I guess...

But the walmart greater said.... Dipshit.

 

[Snuby642]

How did these libtards end up on sh?

Better question is why would they stay.

Why don't you just go?

 

[E. Bryant]

Question: Does anyone here think these two (or three) guys would have reacted any different had it been a white methmonkey?

Honestly - no, I don't think their actions would have been any different if the dead guy was white, hispanic, asian, whatever. These two don't strike me as being the type to actively hunt black guys, but rather just two idiots who ran out of talent and intellect well before the camera started to roll. Their OODA loop was simply running way too slow for the situation in which they found themselves. I'm pretty sure they didn't have "guy makes a move for the shotgun" as a line item on their risk register.

 

[MtnCreek]

Honestly - no, I don't think their actions would have been any different if the dead guy was white, hispanic, asian, whatever. These two don't strike me as being the type to actively hunt black guys, but rather just two idiots who ran out of talent and intellect well before the camera started to roll. Their OODA loop was simply running way too slow for the situation in which they found themselves. I'm pretty sure they didn't have "guy makes a move for the shotgun" as a line item on their risk register.

Honest and thoughtful assessment. We agree on what happened, whether or not we agree on what the outcome should be.

 

[E. Bryant]

Honest and thoughtful assessment. We agree on what happened, whether or not we agree on what the outcome should be.

I believe these guys should go to trial because the circumstances leading to the use of deadly force are not immediately clear, and that there is reason to believe that they did not behave in accordable with the applicable law. I don't want them to go to jail simply because they killed a black man. These are two separate concepts that are all too easily confused in a media shitstorm.

 

[Fig]

Fry their ass for unlawfully chasing and then trying to hold someone at gunpoint. There were 3 of them according to news reports and one of them brings a shotgun then looses control of it .

 

[Fig]

It's kinda the same scenario with both cases. You have a criminal looking to commit a crime, doing so and paying the cost of their actions. I both incidents, as with most inter action with people, they would have just stopped and waited for the police to show up, instead of going into ghetto mode.....they would probably still he around. I am by no means a "law enforcement " fan. But I do know when they want me to stop.....i will end up stopping in one way or another. Also, if you have nothing to hide. Why run or cause a scene? Have you never watch Live pd or cops?

I have. That’s why I always wear a shirt. The dumbfuck with no shirt on is going to jail...every single time. I tell my kid, “Put a shirt on if you don’t want to go to jail.”

 

[jakelly]

Question: Does anyone here think these two (or three) guys would have reacted any different had it been a white methmonkey?

No. I don’t think that race played a part. I think any race would have been treated the same.

 

[RTH1800]

If the alleged perp had been white he likely would have been too smart to attack a man with a shotgun. It’s that impulse control thing that gets certain folks in trouble over and over.

 

[Snuby642]

It would have been a huge difference if the dead guy were white.

There would be no story, no thread and no fucks given by liberal shitheads.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Has anyone found out what Jr. does for a living? We know that the father was an investigator for the DA and maybe former LEO.

If the construction tourist was white? You can go to my original post in this.
Police gotta police. It's just what they are. So they would have went after him white, black, green, yellow or whatever.
That's why I ask about the son.

What was the deal with the guy doing the video? How did he get involved? Did the dynamic duo ask him to video?

 

[5x5]

So, if being 1/2 german and 1/2 peruvian makes Zimmerman white, does being 1/2 black and 1/2 white make people white?

@5x5

It sure as hell does not make him Mexican like the previous guy posted. Is Obama Black or is he white .....Careful how you answer since it mike make you look racist.

 

[5x5]

It would have been a huge difference if the dead guy were white.

There would be no story, no thread and no fucks given by liberal shitheads.

If Martin or Arbury were white, Zimm and the Bubba Crew would not have taken a second look .

 

[lonegunman762x51]

Trolls gonna troll, that's how they are. To stupid to reason with, to irrational to argue with and not worth talking too. They have their Bloomberg talking points and they spend their days pestering people on gun boards. Every idiot point made by certain idiots has been utterly disproved and the idiot is still being an idiot.................................troll.

 

[5x5]

Actually most of us conservatives couldn't care about race at all, it's the folks on your side that keep harping on it.

So riddle me this.... Obama What race did everyone on the liberal / SJW / Democrat side hail him as being and how it was so great someone of that race was president????

His mother is about as white as you can get, whiter than me.....

What did he call himself?

He called himself whatever would get himself the most votes. Personally, I detest any US citizen that identifies as a hyphenated American. And claiming most conservatives are one way or the other is a fools errand, depending on background and where one lives dictates prejudice. A person living in South Texas along the border will have a far different view of illegals than someone living in eastern Washington that does not have to deal with the problem daily.

 

[5x5]

Trolls gonna troll, that's how they are. To stupid to reason with, to irrational to argue with and not worth talking too. They have their Bloomberg talking points and they spend their days pestering people on gun boards. Every idiot point made by certain idiots has been utterly disproved and the idiot is still being an idiot.................................troll.

You dig up proof that Travon was on his porch going into his house when he decided to go back and attack poor Zimmerman yet ? How about it FUDD.

 

[Snuby642]

If Martin or Arbury were white, Zimm and the Bubba Crew would not have taken a second look .

5x5 is the racist in this case.

The deal is he was a thief that they finally got rid of.

Good job on that.

 

[Snuby642]

At this point I wish the dead thief were white.

We would not have liberal trolls like 5x5 stinking up the place.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

The video looks like he ran around the truck and attacked the guy with the shotgun. Thats a good way to get shot. Just sayin.

Its not like he stopped hands up don't shoot and then the guy blasted him.

 

[SSG69]

At this point I wish the dead thief were white.

I don’t

 

[SN13]

It sure as hell does not make him Mexican like the previous guy posted. Is Obama Black or is he white .....Careful how you answer since it mike make you look racist.

You never answer a question. You deflect and reply with a question.

For someone who has no answers, you sure talk like you are an authority on the subject.

Stop moving the goalposts and start having conviction in your beliefs.

 

[Longshot231]

The video looks like he ran around the truck and attacked the guy with the shotgun. Thats a good way to get shot. Just sayin.

Its not like he stopped hands up don't shoot and then the guy blasted him.

That's exactly what I've been saying all along. It looks like he was trying to run around the truck and come up on McMichael's blind side. He didn't think that McMichael would notice the flanking movement and got killed doing something stupid instead of doing a 180 and running away.

If anything, the video tends to exonerate McMichael because Arbery veered to the right to go around the passenger side of the truck. He could have kept on running but made a 90 degree turn to the left once he got to the front of the truck.

He could have kept running in the direction that he was going, after passing the truck. Keep in mind that he saw McMichael with the shotgun while he was about 20-30 yards behind the truck. If I see someone pulling a shotgun out of a truck in the middle of the road, I'm not going to continue in that direction.

It sure looks like Arbery is planning his attack on McMichael while he was running toward the truck, then he veers to right and the passenger side of the truck.

More surveillance video has been released that shows Arbery had visited/trespassed the house under construction several times since October 2019. Why? Keep in mind that the homeowner made several calls to the police about the trespasser and they did nothing.



Several questions remain about the video of the shooting:

1) William Bryan didn't publicize the video until much later. Why? He claims that he thought it would exonerate the McMichaels. From his perspective, on that day, it looked like Arbery was the attacker.
2) Did he release/show video of the shooting to the investigating officers at the scene of the shooting? He was there and remained and was cooperative with the cops.
3) If the officers did get the video, why wasn't it mentioned in the prosecutor's recusal letter to the police department?

A possible explanation for Bryan's lapse of memory about the video was that it was probably the first time he has ever seen a man killed. Seeing something traumatic like that causes all sorts of emotions and stress in people to the point that they block everything else out of their mind for a while.

Maybe he didn't release the video till later, thinking at the time, the police or others would think he was an accomplice. Imagine the question; "Sooooo Mr. Bryan; can you tell us exactly whyyyyyyy you JUST happened to have a video of the MURDER of an INNOCENT black man by two white rednecks?"

I researched a murder case from back in the eighties in which the defendant was wrongfully convicted and exonerated a couple of decades later. At the time, a woman provided the Sheriff's office with a key piece of first hand information. That information, if it wasn't discounted, would have caused any intelligent investigator to focus on the real culprits. Instead, the investigators and the entire county focused on the one suspect who happened to be convenient at the time.

The reason that I'm saying this is because, Mr. Bryan may have told the officers at the scene that he had video but they either got sidetracked, forgot about it or told him that they would get it later. Maybe an officer(s) did review the video at the scene but assumed that someone else would retrieve it.

Even though I've known some really intelligent LEOs through the years, some of them have the IQ of a dog turd. Mr. Byran may have been interviewed by a sub-intelligent life form with a badge.

 

[5x5]

5x5 is the racist in this case.

The deal is he was a thief that they finally got rid of.

Good job on that.

Why do you think he was a thief ? Because he was black ?

 

[Longshot231]

Why do you think he was a thief ? Because he was black ?

He had already been convicted of shoplifting. In addition, his frequent visits to the home under construction are rather suspicious.

 

[5x5]

At this point I wish the dead thief were white.

We would not have liberal trolls like 5x5 stinking up the place.

Sorry to disappoint you Stubby, I am no liberal, far from it actually. Libertarian is closer to my leanings since I hold each individual responsible for all their actions including the ones that led up to the final one. I am capable of critical thought and can reason that just because in the end, Zimm and these two Bubbas may have been justified, there was no reason for them to put themselves in the situation in the first place. The current two morons had no business setting up an armed roadblock which they knew since one was a former officer of some kind.

And before you point to the video of people visiting the construction site, the owner should have done something to secure it like putting on a door with a lock or a construction fence to limit access. It is called an attractive nuisance and just like a pool without a fence becomes the owners responsibility. I find it hard to believe that the house left open for months had that many people in and out without anything stolen, try that crap here and you will not have any building materials or wiring left on site.

I admit to messing with 761 AKA "Bob Lee Swagger" simply because he came off as an asshole from the start.

 

[5x5]

He had already been convicted of shoplifting. In addition, his frequent visits to the home under construction are rather suspicious.

Again, Proof that he was stealing from the job site. Not you or Bubba have any proof that he stole anything. They did not even know who he was until they shot him so they had no way of knowing he has shoplifted sometime in the past and the homeowner confirmed many times nothing had been taken from his unsecured job site.

 

[5x5]

You never answer a question. You deflect and reply with a question.

For someone who has no answers, you sure talk like you are an authority on the subject.

Stop moving the goalposts and start having conviction in your beliefs.

Unlike several of you, I do. I hold EVERY party responsible for their actions including pulling a gun for an unlawful roadblock or pursuing someone I felt was enough of a threat that I called the police. Nothing happens in a vacuum and the final outcome is not the only factor.

 

[Longshot231]

Again, Proof that he was stealing from the job site. Not you or Bubba have any proof that he stole anything. They did not even know who he was until they shot him so they had no way of knowing he has shoplifted sometime in the past and the homeowner confirmed many times nothing had been taken from his unsecured job site.

Again, he was a thief. He was convicted of shoplifting.

And again, all I said was that his visits to the construction site was suspicious.

 

[SN13]

Unlike several of you, I do. I hold EVERY party responsible for their actions including pulling a gun for an unlawful roadblock or pursuing someone I felt was enough of a threat that I called the police. Nothing happens in a vacuum and the final outcome is not the only factor.

A lot of flapping and still no answer to my question.

 

[5x5]

Again, he was a thief. He was convicted of shoplifting.

And again, all I said was that his visits to the construction site was suspicious.

You have no proof he stole anything and neither did they . Suspicion means squat. Why dont you address why BUBBA set up an armed roadblock ?

 

[wade2big]

You have no proof he stole anything and neither did they . Suspicion means squat. Why dont you address why BUBBA set up an armed roadblock ?

Are you black or hispanic?

 

[5x5]

Are you black or hispanic?

Why does it matter ?

 

[RTH1800]

If Martin or Arbury were white, Zimm and the Bubba Crew would not have taken a second look .

5X5, You seem to be a guy who has conversations with himself and does not listen to what others are saying. Problem with that is you never learn or grow.
If you wish to prove me wrong please answer this question.

How is it that you know exactly what others you have never met would do had the color of the perp been different? Specifically, exactly how do you know this?

Otherwise, you are just opening your mouth and spewing your biases.

 

[5x5]

A lot of flapping and still no answer to my question.

I did answer your question. No one is pure blood and White / black are not races. Why are you hung up on skin color ?

 

[SN13]

Why does it matter ?

Another Question with a Question.

@5x5 ... you talk alot but say nothing.

 

[wade2big]

It shouldn’t. It’s just a question. I see you throwing Bubba, redneck, calling people racist etc. I’m just curious. I’m white. Simple question. I would bet you aren’t white. Your racism is showing considering you know how whites act based on their skin color

 

[SN13]

I did answer your question. No one is pure blood and White / black are not races. Why are you hung up on skin color ?

Another Question with a Question.

@5x5 ... you talk alot but say nothing.

 

[RTH1800]

I would guess 5x5 is simply a soyboy suffering from a bad case of liberal inspired white guilt. But, it is just a guess. I have no knowledge of the matter beyond what he types here.

In these conversations always remember one thing. Conservatives think, liberals feel.

 

[E. Bryant]

He had already been convicted of shoplifting. In addition, his frequent visits to the home under construction are rather suspicious.

I hung out with a few guys in high school who did similar things. I now call three of them "Dr.". I don't think Arbrey was on that career path, but a two-year-old shoplifting case is not going to move me even slightly in the direction of "what happened is OK". Other people can feel differently and even call me mean names if they wish, because that's apparently the best way to win an argument among real men.

I recommend viewing the Colion Noir video that was posted a couple pages back in this thread. He clearly lays out the facts as he sees them (and the dude is a lawyer, which doesn't automatically make him right but it does tend to give his comments more weight than the average internet rando). Arbrey wasn't committing a felony by being in the house which was under construction; he probably didn't even meet the definition of criminal trespass. Without a crime being committed, there is no cause for a citizen's arrest. Without a cause for citizen's arrest, the McMichaels were not lawful in their attempt to detain Arbrey. That typically invalidates a claim of self-defense.

In short, if one is going to use deadly force and claim self-defense, then one needs to be pretty sparkling clean in their actions leading directly up to that event. Deploying a bunch of circumstantial evidence in an attempt to disparage the victim of that force is not solid legal standing, and IMO, it's not solid moral standing.

 

[5x5]

5X5, You seem to be a guy who has conversations with himself and does not listen to what others are saying. Problem with that is you never learn or grow.
If you wish to prove me wrong please answer this question.

How is it that you know exactly what others you have never met would do had the color of the perp been different? Specifically, exactly how do you know this?

Otherwise, you are just opening your mouth and spewing your biases.

First, Zimm had a documented history of calling in to the Police reporting Blacks walking through the neighborhood as was documented in the 911 logs. Dont know about the Bubbas other than it appears that one was drummed out of the police for failing to maintain the training required to be a certified police officer over the course of several years but he did sign off on an agreement "will not engage in any activity that would be construed as being law enforcement in nature," . Weaponized road block sure sounds like that kind of activity.

Second, half my family has lived in that part of GA for over 200 years and even have a town that carries their name.