The Next Trayvon Martin Case?

[ManUtdManiac]

This is second degree murder. Brandishing firearms, letting off a round, hell kidnapping even etc, all can be easily shown to be indicative of intent. The jogger was in a white t shirt, shorts, no swag bag or apparatus of the common and proficient burglar. Furthermore, if as suspected, he was the repeat and hitherto successful burglar, why then would his otherwise wise judgement suddenly fail him and cause him to jog, in daylight...

This victim made the mistake of forgetting where he was and where people around him think his place ought to be.

"Where the white women at?"

 

[BytorJr]

Let's see hear, armed trespass and poaching.
Yes.

No doubt somebody was. Likely the 4; but for me at least, I'd save that for the authorities. I was just amazed that somebody would think they should risk an armed confrontation in a situation like that - one where most certainly he had the short straw.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

O.C.G.A. 17-4-60 (2010)
17-4-60. Grounds for arrest

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

That's the relevant statute the DA cited. I guess he felt they acted within it.

Well...they need to get rid of that law!

Springboard for a campaign revival for.....
TADA!!

Watch and see. This case will take her far.

 

[308pirate]

I can’t help but think that if it was as cut and dry as the media is making it out to, that they would have been charged by now. It happened in February.

There's this thing called the good ol boy network. It exists everywhere.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

And good old Lebron might take a jog thru Watts or the south side of Chicago at night if he wants to witness some real hunting grounds.

You dont think he is that stupid do you?

 

[camotoe]

Good shoot. Read the report. Guy went for the shotgun.

 

[ManUtdManiac]

Good shoot. Read the report. Guy went for the shotgun.

why is ok to shoot someone who is unarmed, who wants to grab the gun you're pointing at them and making them fear for their lives without provocation but it's not ok to grab the gun from the person pointing it at you, without provocation, and thereby making you fear for your life?

 

[Bender]

Good shoot. Read the report. Guy went for the shotgun.

Some armed dudes jump outta a truck at me and I’m unarmed?

sure as fuck I’m trying for their gun. Get the fuc outta here.

 

[Bender]

Theses good ol mouth breathers are making the gun owners look like they describe us every day on the news. This will be ramped up 1000%. Mark my words. Kung flu is out. This is the new vehicle for leftist agendas. Guaranteed.

 

[chiefethan]

Good shoot. Read the report. Guy went for the shotgun.

More like disgraceful to gun owners everywhere else. You can't point a shotgun at someone without cause; no, being on the streets and black is not a cause, and have legal or moral justification to shoot them when they go to defend themselves by trying to remove the shotgun. If Ahmaud had been ccw'ing, he would have had grounds for shooting first.

 

[oldiephrt]

Maybe I missed it. WP is reporting the shooter was a former DA investigator. Could this be a factor? After several over-reaches an under-reach seems likely by justice depts. to me.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

This is second degree murder. Brandishing firearms, letting off a round, hell kidnapping even etc, all can be easily shown to be indicative of intent. The jogger was in a white t shirt, shorts, no swag bag or apparatus of the common and proficient burglar. Furthermore, if as suspected, he was the repeat and hitherto successful burglar, why then would his otherwise wise judgement suddenly fail him and cause him to jog, in daylight...

This victim made the mistake of forgetting where he was and where people around him think his place ought to be.

"Where the white women at?"

Right, because if he was caught and spooked he would have kept hold of his “swag bag” or stolen goods... yeah that makes a lot of sense.

The fact of the matter is there’s a video showing these guys aren’t 100% in the wrong. There’s nothing wrong with asking someone to stop and talk to them, there’s nothing illegal about doing it while armed. The dude never point the gun at him and it’s quite clear in the video. HE ATTACKED THEM. Fucking period. You can not argue with that, it’s literally on fucking video.

Now whether they should have really been there in the first place seems very debatable, but regardless of how stupid it was, I fail to see how it was illegal and I don’t think anyone on a jury would see it any differently.

When he decided to attack them and fight over the gun, the game changed. He decided to do that instead of going the other way. Why the fuck would he continue running towards them and attack them when he was clearly outmatched? I don’t believe this guy was innocent, regardless he should have gone the other way, that’s what a reasonable person would have done, he clearly wasn’t reasonable which should tell you he had a different motive.

I see them being found not guilty and a shit storm to follow. I don’t believe they’re guilty of murder based on the fact that the dead guy started the fight, but they’re definitely guilty of picking a really stupid battle. One they should have handled much differently. They should have armed themselves and followed him and waited for uniformed officers to intervene, I don’t believe they had any intentions to use their firearms and that’s evident from the fact that the gun is never pointed until the fight starts, but they should have stayed in the fucking truck. Them getting out and merely holding a gun doesn’t give him the right to attack them though.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

More like disgraceful to gun owners everywhere else. You can't point a shotgun at someone without cause; no, being on the streets and black is not a cause, and have legal or moral justification to shoot them when they go to defend themselves by trying to remove the shotgun. If Ahmaud had been ccw'ing, he would have had grounds for shooting first.

Show me at what point in the video he pointed the gun at him before the fight started.

 

[Lil Casino]

Show me at what point in the video he pointed the gun at him before the fight started.

Show me at what point in the video he was asked to stop?

 

[j-huskey]

Maybe I missed it. WP is reporting the shooter was a former DA investigator. Could this be a factor? After several over-reaches an under-reach seems likely by justice depts. to me.

You missed it, the guy in the back of the truck was the investigator, not the shooter.

 

[Arc Light]

The DA's report states that the two guys yelled "stop, we want to talk to you" before the scuffle broke out.

Just before the first shot you can hear some yelling in the tape. It's hard to tell what is said, but it may be just as they claim.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Show me at what point in the video he was asked to stop?

Its not audible but the truck stopped in the road with the two bubbas is a pretty fucking big indicator. If their intent was to execute the guy then why did they even let him get to the truck before firing, let alone flank around it? They didn’t start blasting him right away so I wonder what they could have possibly been doing? Hmmmm... It shouldn’t take too many brain cells to process that.

There were exits to both sides but he decided to go into the fight. A stupid fucking choice that cost him his life.

 

[ManUtdManiac]

Right, because if he was caught and spooked he would have kept hold of his “swag bag” or stolen goods... yeah that makes a lot of sense.

The fact of the matter is there’s a video showing these guys aren’t 100% in the wrong. There’s nothing wrong with asking someone to stop and talk to them, there’s nothing illegal about doing it while armed. The dude never point the gun at him and it’s quite clear in the video. HE ATTACKED THEM. Fucking period. You can not argue with that, it’s literally on fucking video.

Now whether they should have really been there in the first place seems very debatable, but regardless of how stupid it was, I fail to see how it was illegal and I don’t think anyone on a jury would see it any differently.

When he decided to attack them and fight over the gun, the game changed. He decided to do that instead of going the other way. Why the fuck would he continue running towards them and attack them when he was clearly outmatched? I don’t believe this guy was innocent, regardless he should have gone the other way, that’s what a reasonable person would have done, he clearly wasn’t reasonable which should tell you he had a different motive.

I see them being found not guilty and a shit storm to follow. I don’t believe they’re guilty of murder based on the fact that the dead guy started the fight, but they’re definitely guilty of picking a really stupid battle. One they should have handled much differently. They should have armed themselves and followed him and waited for uniformed officers to intervene, I don’t believe they had any intentions to use their firearms and that’s evident from the fact that the gun is never pointed until the fight starts, but they should have stayed in the fucking truck. Them getting out and merely holding a gun doesn’t give him the right to attack them though.

ok... so dude rolling up armed and brandishing ain't no big deal. You don't think a real, practiced thief would have the presence of mind to NOT drop his gear and leave it all behind for the police to find and dust? You don't think a practiced thief would have a vehicle nearby to make a gettaway rather than JOG?!?

You think asking someone to stop and driving up armed are the same? Really? Do you live in West World fantasy and think it's ok to say "Ew ain't from round these here parts are ye?".

Do you not think that it's reasonable to assume that he HAD to grab the gun to have a chance to live because, heck, he may just have been jogging and now there are armed men trying to detain him.... you think he MUST have assumed these men had obviously good intentions? How do you not think that he may have had the idea that these were a couple of assholes assuming he was a criminal and wanted to hurt/hang/shoot him? NOt an unreasonable assumption to jump to for a lone black man confronted suddenly by two armed white men...

The pointing of the gun is irrelevant. It's brandishing, it's intent, it's illegal and rightly and hopefully so, they're fucked. I wish them well in their new family of the Aryan Brotherhood and pray that their family makes them a nice set of knee pads to lessen the chaffing of the hard prison concrete floors as they make friends and influence people.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

FWIW the 911 recording I just heard on the news said that they had ID’d him on video cameras. So there’s video surveillance of him doing break ins. Do you idiots saying he was murdered still thing he’s a stand up citizen out for a jog?

Assuming these videos exist and they can positively ID him then case closed. Don’t want armed people to chase you down? Then don’t fucking rob people.

 

[camotoe]

In GA. When you go for someone's gun. They can and will shoot you.


You can also make citizens arrest in GA

 

[LawnMM]

For dude who said why is an experienced burglar out during the day...

Burglaries tend to be a daytime affair, because people aren't home, they're at work.

As you were!

 

[redneckbmxer24]

ok... so dude rolling up armed and brandishing ain't no big deal. You don't think a real, practiced thief would have the presence of mind to NOT drop his gear and leave it all behind for the police to find and dust? You don't think a practiced thief would have a vehicle nearby to make a gettaway rather than JOG?!?

You think asking someone to stop and driving up armed are the same? Really? Do you live in West World fantasy and think it's ok to say "Ew ain't from round these here parts are ye?".

Do you not think that it's reasonable to assume that he HAD to grab the gun to have a chance to live because, heck, he may just have been jogging and now there are armed men trying to detain him.... you think he MUST have assumed these men had obviously good intentions? How do you not think that he may have had the idea that these were a couple of assholes assuming he was a criminal and wanted to hurt/hang/shoot him? NOt an unreasonable assumption to jump to for a lone black man confronted suddenly by two armed white men...

The pointing of the gun is irrelevant. It's brandishing, it's intent, it's illegal and rightly and hopefully so, they're fucked. I wish them well in their new family of the Aryan Brotherhood and pray that their family makes them a nice set of knee pads to lessen the chaffing of the hard prison concrete floors as they make friends and influence people.

Your first paragraph tells me how fucking stupid you are. You think they give a fuck about cops dusting for prints or even think about that when they’ve been caught in the act? Fuck no. Have you ever watched a single episode of cops or live PD and seen the dash cam videos of criminals tossing bags of drugs, guns, and other shit during police chases, and during foot chases? When criminals are caught they drop what they drop it and run. They even drop baggies of drugs at their feet while in cuffs AFTER they’ve been caught and kick it under the cars and shit and try to deny it. So get the fuck out of here with your dusting for prints theory, common criminals are too stupid to think about that.

 

[Lil Casino]

According to reports they armed themselves and pursued an unarmed man... yet somehow they were stopped in the street in front of him while one of the men was already in the bed of the truck. Stupidity on all participants.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

When a “innocent victim” is in a situation like this with no means to protect themselves and has escapes, they run AWAY from the danger and scream and yell for help. That’s a fact. They don’t continue running towards the danger. The dude was fucking caught and knew he was going to jail and the only way to deal with it was overpower them.

 

[wade2big]

If the slained man is on camera breaking into homes then the men that dispatched him need an award. They are neighborhood heroes. If they ambushed an innocent man then they deserve to burn. Race has no bearing. Lets wait and see.

 

[ManUtdManiac]

Your first paragraph tells me how fucking stupid you are. You think they give a fuck about cops dusting for prints or even think about that when they’ve been caught in the act? Fuck no. Have you ever watched a single episode of cops or live PD and seen the dash cam videos of criminals tossing bags of drugs, guns, and other shit during police chases, and during foot chases? When criminals are caught they drop what they drop it and run. They even drop baggies of drugs at their feet while in cuffs AFTER they’ve been caught and kick it under the cars and shit and try to deny it. So get the fuck out of here with your dusting for prints theory, common criminals are too stupid to think about that.

I'll have you know I've watched hours of reality TV cops and am threfore practically a cop, lawyer, prosecutr and judge. I.e. every bit the expert you are...

Neither of the men who killed the victim had any video or foreknowledge of the victim's specifics. There was nothing outwardly obvious about the man regarding his past or motives. There was, in effect, no PC (probable cause. I know this because I've watched hours of reality TV cop shows, see, skillz bitch...). Certainly, there was no PC to justify the armed pursuit.

A citizen's arrest cannot be lawful under any and all circumstances. You need a reason. Not sure you can do it with arms 'in flagrante'

But please, tell me which episode of COPS I need to rewatch to achieve your Yoda level understanding of the modus operandi of the common criminal mind...

I shiver, with anticipation.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Read the fargin report. The first shot was in his hand, coroners report says consistent with him grabbing the end of the barrel and pulling....hell read it yourselves. No one was "gunned down".

Some of you have your minds pretty made up that these mouth breathing redneck peckerwoods were pure racist assholes...hmmm....
Kinda like someone "assuming" this black guy was up to no good.
I'd say there's lots of stereotyping showing through here.

And you think you've figured out these "mouth breathers" didn't have any reason to stop this guy cause they "didn't see him do anything". How the fuck do you know that?
I can tell you this...virtually NONE of the information from the DA has been reported. Why is that?

I tell ya what tickles the fuck out of me. Some of you bad ass motherfuckers that are always talking about y
Fighting for your freedom and takin it to the man, and protecting your shit, my my, but you been borned agin! Law and order for you now. Call th he police and let them handle things.

May the youth of 100 inner cities invade your sweet little neighborhoods.
It isn't happening in your neighborhood, so it's easy for you to say file an insurance claim, call the popo.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

I'll have you know I've watched hours of reality TV cops and am threfore practically a cop, lawyer, prosecutr and judge. I.e. every bit the expert you are...

Neither of the men who killed the victim had any video or foreknowledge of the victim's specifics. There was nothing outwardly obvious about the man regarding his past or motives. There was, in effect, no PC (probable cause. I know this because I've watched hours of reality TV cop shows, see, skillz bitch...). Certainly, there was no PC to justify the armed pursuit.

A citizen's arrest cannot be lawful under any and all circumstances. You need a reason. Not sure you can do it with arms 'in flagrante'

But please, tell me which episode of COPS I need to rewatch to achieve your Yoda level understanding of the modus operandi of the common criminal mind...

I shiver, with anticipation.

Nice backpeddle on your ditching evidence theory, but you’re wrong on your next theory too. In the 911 recording the caller is clearly heard saying that he’s on surveillance cameras. Indicating that they ID’d him as the guy. The guys a former investigator for fucks sake, he’s probably looked at enough surveillance video to know what and who he’s looking at.

What’s on the menu for the next eruption from the fountain of bullshit?

 

[camotoe]

He was a dumb pos thief. Proven.


They have him on video from other homes. And they staked him out and caught him

 

[Snuby642]

Like I said a rap sheet allready on the guy and probably positive id from surveillance video.

This trip would be his third time and manditory jail time.

Any bets?

Probably told his dear sweet mom he finds all the stuff while jogging and going through the trash.

 

[ManUtdManiac]

I'm not backpeddling, of course it's a theory, just like everything you're saying. So they said he's been on camera before. How do they know it was him? The dispatcher asks "what was he doing wrong?". No answer. They instead said they've seen him on video. Have you seen much CCTV footage? Of black people, at night? Think it isn't easy to misidentify someone?

My fountain of bullshit has the bitterness of critical thinking. it's not the saccharine stew of self-satisfied and un-examined certitude that you wallow in.

And need I remind you, 911 calls can be edited and misdirectional. I point you to the case of one Trayvon Martin and editing of Zimmerman's 911 call. See, thinking, it can hurt if your head's being squashed by the force of your lower intestines contracting around it...

 

[ManUtdManiac]

Like I said a rap sheet allready on the guy and probably positive id from surveillance video.

This trip would be his third time and manditory jail time.

Any bets?

Probably told his dear sweet mom he finds all the stuff while jogging and going through the trash.

if the guy was a thief then he deserved jail. If the two men who went after him wanted to do good then they shouldn't have gone about it like meth-addled cowboys. Actions have consequences, even really stupid ones...

 

[Snuby642]

First of all most burglaries are daytime.
They didn't intend to shoot him but he escalated it to a self defense action.

Supprising amount of bleeding heart stupidity here tonight.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

I'm not backpeddling, of course it's a theory, just like everything you're saying. So they said he's been on camera before. How do they know it was him? The dispatcher asks "what was he doing wrong?". No answer. They instead said they've seen him on video. Have you seen much CCTV footage? Of black people, at night? Think it isn't easy to misidentify someone?

My fountain of bullshit has the bitterness of critical thinking. it's not the saccharine stew of self-satisfied and un-examined certitude that you wallow in.

And need I remind you, 911 calls can be edited and misdirectional. I point you to the case of one Trayvon Martin and editing of Zimmerman's 911 call. See, thinking, it can hurt if your head's being squashed by the force of your lower intestines contracting around it...

One of the idiots that think “all black people look the same” so you think everybody else sees that too. If he’s breaking into houses during the day then it wouldn’t be very dark now would it? I guess you’re also probably unaware that you can now get cameras that have very good NV for very cheap now.

 

[ManUtdManiac]

I'm happy about one thing, it's in the courts now, where it belongs. Let the process play out and the rioting ensue. Protect your Doritos, for some reason, they seem to be the first to go...

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Have you seen much CCTV footage? Of black people, at night? Think it isn't easy to misidentify someone?

Amiright! Motherfuckers all look the same!

Who is racist now?

 

[Arc Light]

Their actions were stupid, no doubt. But, I don't think any jury is going to convict them of cold blooded murder. This guy is no "jogger" innocently going about his business when he was ambushed and murdered. He was likely up to no good, got caught, and then chose confrontation instead of fleeing or just stopping and waiting for the cops to arrive. Any half assed defense attorney can make a convincing case for reasonable doubt.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

I'm happy about one thing, it's in the courts now, where it belongs. Let the process play out and the rioting ensue. Protect your Doritos, for some reason, they seem to be the first to go...

It's no longer a process now, it is a political, racebaiting circus. Will have nothing to do with justice.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

I'm happy about one thing, it's in the courts now, where it belongs. Let the process play out and the rioting ensue. Protect your Doritos, for some reason, they seem to be the first to go...

More stupidity. It wasn’t in the courts for the last two months because the evidence indicated there was no wrong doing. It’s in the courts now because of the public outcry from all the pieces of shit fueling a race war, and that’s fucked up.

When they’re found not guilty they can now sue the fuck out of the state and/or local government for false arrest. There will be even more grounds for a civil judgement considering the fact that they first said there was no crime committed and are only now doing it because of the public outcry.

 

[ManUtdManiac]

More stupidity. It wasn’t in the courts for the last two months because the evidence indicated there was no wrong doing. It’s in the courts now because of the public outcry from all the pieces of shit fueling a race war, and that’s fucked up.

When they’re found not guilty they can now sue the fuck out of the state and/or local government for false arrest. There will be even more grounds for a civil judgement considering the fact that they first said there was no crime committed and are only now doing it because of the public outcry.

there's just no pleasing you is there. Well, I hope that one day we can laugh about this and be friends.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Look guys.
I get why you are mad, I do.
White guilt is a powerful thing.
You know...
Deep down....
To assuage that guilt...
You are gonna have to vote for Stacy Abrams...


Maybe even twice.

 

[Snuby642]

I have zero sympathy for thieves.
Good shoot.

 

[SilentStalkr]

It's no longer a process now, it is a political, racebaiting circus. Will have nothing to do with justice.

Exactly. Everyone, from my view, is getting played, again. It absolutely amazes me that people fall for the same old shit every freaking time. I don’t know about you guys but I’m getting really sick and tired of the circus. How do we talk sense into a side that doesn’t want to listen and while everyone is racially/politically polarized all the damn time. We aren’t seeing the downfall of America, no we are seeing the fucking downfall of society as a whole.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

there's just no pleasing you is there. Well, I hope that one day we can laugh about this and be friends.

Well to be completely honest I was waiting for the part were you would call me a racist redneck from the sticks so I could explain how I grew up right outside of DC and hung out in the hood and in middle school had more black and Hispanic friends than white. Then how I got my first BJ from a black chick and lost my V card to another black chick, neither of whom were chained up. Also how the #1 station on my Pandora and what plays almost all day is Eaze E radio.

 

[tiger13]

Some armed dudes jump outta a truck at me and I’m unarmed?

sure as fuck I’m trying for their gun. Get the fuc outta here.

C'mon man, bad tactics. Run away, evade. If you're in the right, buy time and let things sort out.

 

[ManUtdManiac]

Well to be completely honest I was waiting for the part were you would call me a racist redneck from the sticks so I could explain how I grew up right outside of DC and hung out in the hood and in middle school had more black and Hispanic friends than white. Then how I got my first BJ from a black chick and lost my V card to another black chick, neither of whom were chained up. Also how the #1 station on my Pandora and what plays almost all day is Eaze E radio.

you don't come across as a racist, and even if you did, I wouldn't care. We're all racists, we're all prejudiced. All I really care about the craft in the argument and if there are points made that I learn from and if I can make some that others can benefit from.

FUck it dude, there are too many people on this rock anyway...

 

[redneckbmxer24]

We're all racists, we're all prejudiced.

Speak for your self dude, and it’s pretty sad that you think that. If you think the world is racist then you’re part of the problem.

I judge every motherfucker I come across, by their actions and ideology. Both of which they’re in complete control of. There’s nothing racist nor prejudiced about that.

 

[ManUtdManiac]

Speak for your self dude, and it’s pretty sad that you think that. If you think the world is racist then you’re part of the problem.

I judge every motherfucker I come across, by their actions and ideology. Both of which they’re in complete control of. There’s nothing racist nor prejudiced about that.

I don't mean bedsheet wearing racism... black people can and many are just as prejudiced as any white person, Chinese are as much as any. Prejudice is human nature. You may make a conscious effort to not be, fine, kudos, but it takes time to see enough of a person to know their character, and our minds and evolutionary history, for the sake of survival, has tuned us to make fast judgements in the meantime.

Anyway, I've reached my quota for being called an idiot for one night. In that regards you've made a fine substitute for my ex-wife.

Bon nuit, et bon chance!

 

[kriller134]

 

[kriller134]

@ManUtdManiac I’m nit racist I hate everyone equally