The OFFICIAL 'Wuhan' Coronavirus outbreak information and tracking thread. NARRATIVE CHANGE. "Endemic, just like the cold". Cuomo regrets lockdown.

[kthomas]

I'm currently in Canada, was supposed to finish one last hitch on the rig before my employment ends (my choice). Can't go to the rig anymore because I traveled internationally on the 15th, and I'm in "self quarantine".

Now I'm left with a choice, with no obvious answer (to me at least):

1. Attempt to travel to the US as soon as possible to be with the wife. At this point I will activate my green card, which will be a 2 year green card. That in itself has a lot of ramifications, they are a nightmare to renew and that potentially means years of unemployment and inability to leave the country after the 2 year expiry. Also increases my risk of contracting this disease, as I will be traveling through airports and on planes.

2. Wait it out in Canada with my immediate family until things start settling down. If I travel and activate my green card after April 1st, it will be a full 10 year green card (that's a huge plus). Minimal exposure to COVID-19. Risk is that things get a lot worse before it gets better, and either or both countries (Canada and US) go on complete lockdown. If I can't get to a border before June 2nd, my green card expires.

Lots of risk either way. Wish I had a crystal ball right now, I really don't know what's going to happen and what the best choice is. Things are changing by the hour.

 

[LawnMM]

I work at an airport, there aren't that many people traveling at the moment so your risk is as low as it'll ever be

 

[MK20]

Come now or call and see if they will waive the need to wait for the 10 year green card. People seem to be running more on common sense now.

 

[HMRamateur]

I work on a site in the mountains, staying in a camp for 2 weeks at a time with shift changes constantly every week. We've had a bad flu going through, with guys sick for 2-3 weeks straight. One guy on my crew got pneumonia from it. Others getting respiratory issues while sick. It's been here since January, and in areas very far from large city centers.

 

[kthomas]

Come now or call and see if they will waive the need to wait for the 10 year green card. People seem to be running more on common sense now.

Problem is there is no one to talk to. I can't book an appointment with the consulate because of the Coronavirus, and can't talk to anyone on the phone. CBP doesn't let you talk to anyone either.

I sent an email to the consulate in Montreal, whom is the consulate that deals with green cards in Canada. Still waiting to hear back.

Green cards are a nightmare to renew right now, which makes the prospect of a 2 year one pretty unappealing. A friend of the wife's has had hell renewing hers, and hers is not an isolated situation. She's been in the renewal process for a few years now - which means for most people that you can't work or leave the country until you get a renewed green card in hand. It's a bit of a nightmare.

 

[SD Carpenter]

Meanwhile our gpvenor just lockdowned our whole state.... That asshole couldn't wait 1 more day for me to get a full week tomorrow lol

 

[DuneBoer]

Antigen Parvovirus-Coronavirus Test Kit - Revival Animal Health

Antigen Parvovirus-Coronavirus Test Kit uses highly purified antibodies produced by biotechnology for the detection of canine Parvovirus and Coronavirus antigens.

www.revivalanimal.com

Why is testing humans so fucking hard when I can get a test kit for my dog?

 

[Khavic]

Antigen Parvovirus-Coronavirus Test Kit - Revival Animal Health

Antigen Parvovirus-Coronavirus Test Kit uses highly purified antibodies produced by biotechnology for the detection of canine Parvovirus and Coronavirus antigens.

www.revivalanimal.com

Why is testing humans so fucking hard when I can get a test kit for my dog?

Just use that one on yourself. What could go wrong? It's just a test.

 

[Chit126]

3 deaths in Albany, GA from the virus (supposedly)

 

[E. Bryant]

Antigen Parvovirus-Coronavirus Test Kit - Revival Animal Health

Antigen Parvovirus-Coronavirus Test Kit uses highly purified antibodies produced by biotechnology for the detection of canine Parvovirus and Coronavirus antigens.

www.revivalanimal.com

Why is testing humans so fucking hard when I can get a test kit for my dog?

Why is vaccination so hard when I can get a vaccine for cattle?

BOVILIS® CORONAVIRUS | Merck Animal Health USA

Recommended for use in healthy cattle against enteric disease caused by bovine coronavirus. Efficacy was demonstrated in calves 3 days of age and older.

www.merck-animal-health-usa.com

This might be a good time to point out that there are about 40 specie of coronavirus.

 

[phlegethon]

Sens. Richard Burr, Kelly Loeffler sold millions in stock before coronavirus crippled markets, reports find

Two Republican lawmakers are under intense scrutiny as reports show Sens. Richard Burr and Kelly Loeffler sold millions in stock before the coronavirus outbreak sent the markets in freefall.

www.foxnews.com

Exercise restraint in comments, we don’t need SH to get in trouble.

 

[Khavic]

Sens. Richard Burr, Kelly Loeffler sold millions in stock before coronavirus crippled markets, reports find

Two Republican lawmakers are under intense scrutiny as reports show Sens. Richard Burr and Kelly Loeffler sold millions in stock before the coronavirus outbreak sent the markets in freefall.

www.foxnews.com

Exercise restraint in comments, we don’t need SH to get in trouble.

I hate that these guys had millions in stocks to sell, but I transferred a bunch of my portfolio to guaranteed return securities and cash right before the big decline also. If you were paying attention it was obvious what was about to happen. Even if it was a short term drop it was a better option than riding the drop. I'll buy back in when things hit bottom just like I did in 2016. I'd bet my left testicle that they were not the only ones to do it, just the only ones to get called out so far.

 

[DuneBoer]

Why is vaccination so hard when I can get a vaccine for cattle?

BOVILIS® CORONAVIRUS | Merck Animal Health USA

Recommended for use in healthy cattle against enteric disease caused by bovine coronavirus. Efficacy was demonstrated in calves 3 days of age and older.

www.merck-animal-health-usa.com

This might be a good time to point out that there are about 40 specie of coronavirus.

I get it but why the fuck is it so hard to get a test kit going? test kit ain’t nothing new. Just make one for people. The South Koreans have it figured out

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Antigen Parvovirus-Coronavirus Test Kit - Revival Animal Health

Antigen Parvovirus-Coronavirus Test Kit uses highly purified antibodies produced by biotechnology for the detection of canine Parvovirus and Coronavirus antigens.

www.revivalanimal.com

Why is testing humans so fucking hard when I can get a test kit for my dog?

Because animals don't complain as much as humans. To an animal, dying is just part of life.

 

[Tx_Aggie]

I get it but why the fuck is it so hard to get a test kit going? test kit ain’t nothing new. Just make one for people. The South Koreans have it figured out

At least in part because the CDC and FDA aren't involved making in a Parvo test kit for your dog (USDA is, though), and since Parvo/Canine Coronavirus have been around as long as any of us have been on this earth, there's been plenty of time to develop, manufacture, and market that kit.

From what I've read, the lack of kits here in the US is at least partly because CDC didn't want to use the kits from S Korea or WHO.

 

[Centerfire01]

New York City at 3,360 positive cases, a twofold jump from yesterday. The jump in cases are purely from more test kits being available... This confirms a lot of folks' suspicions that COVID-19 has already been circulating undetected within the USA since February, and many cases have already recovered and went back to their daily lives without even being aware that they ever had it.

Pretty sure it ran through my neck of the woods in December. This shit has been here. Not sure crashing the global economy and putting everyone out of work was the correct way to handle it.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Pretty sure it ran through my neck of the woods in December. This shit has been here. Not sure crashing the global economy and putting everyone out of work was the correct way to handle it.

Fully agree. Wait until the antibody tests come out. The project is almost mature and it will tell just how large the scope of infection is all over the world. I am estimating that the first wave of infections had passed through the US around late December to mid-January. That will account for all of the exceptionally severe flu cases here...

 

[Son of Dorn]

From the AJC, published some 17 hours ago:

CONFIRMED CORONAVIRUS DEATHS IN GEORGIA​

Georgia public health officials have confirmed the deaths of 10 people from the coronavirus. Here is information on each:​

• Male, age 67, Cobb County​

• Female, age 69, Dougherty County​

• Female, age 42, Dougherty County​

• Female, age 67, Dougherty County​

• Female, age 73, Dougherty County​

• Female, age 48, Early County​

• Male, age 83, Fayette County​

• Female, age 65, Floyd County​

• Male, age 62, Fulton County​

• Male, age 58, Fulton County​

At least eight had chronic health conditions BEFORE CONTRACTING THE VIRUS. (emphasis added)​

Still would like to know what exactly those "chronic health conditions" were.

 

[LawnMM]

1800/day die in Italy on average without Corona

 

[phlegethon]

I hate that these guys had millions in stocks to sell, but I transferred a bunch of my portfolio to guaranteed return securities and cash right before the big decline also. If you were paying attention it was obvious what was about to happen. Even if it was a short term drop it was a better option than riding the drop. I'll buy back in when things hit bottom just like I did in 2016. I'd bet my left testicle that they were not the only ones to do it, just the only ones to get called out so far.

Maybe, maybe not. I agree the information was available to those looking—and believing it—but if they were using congressional briefing data that seems unethical at best.

I also wonder how much fucking toilet paper they bought.

 

[TheBigCountry]

Well, here we go. Wife got sent home from the hospital today as she was exposed to a patient that tested positive, so we’re both on isolation and monitoring for symptoms.

 

[pmclaine]

Well, here we go. Wife got sent home from the hospital today as she was exposed to a patient that tested positive, so we’re both on isolation and monitoring for symptoms.

Good luck.

Sorry to hear.

Get lots of rest.

If you have kids I hope they handle this well.

Im not a very religious guy and Ill pay for that someday but Ill put in my request for your good health.

 

[TheBigCountry]

Good luck.

Sorry to hear.

Get lots of rest.

If you have kids I hope they handle this well.

Im not a very religious guy and Ill pay for that someday but Ill put in my request for your good health.

Much appreciated and I’ll try to rest. I don’t do well sitting around so that’s gonna be the hardest part, plus being stuck at the house with The Boss for a week plus lol.

 

[Gar.]

Im not a very religious guy and Ill pay for that someday but Ill put in my request for your good health.

You may be better off in that “someday” than others might think they are going to be. I like your humility...

 

[jb0311]

I'm willing to bet that there will be a lot of out-of-work waitresses looking to shack up with or marry some "white knight" to take care of them (AKA sugar daddy). I know that I'm not going to be one of them. They are on their own.

You're not going to be an out-of-work waitress or you aren't going to get a sugar daddy?

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Much appreciated and I’ll try to rest. I don’t do well sitting around so that’s gonna be the hardest part, plus being stuck at the house with The Boss for a week plus lol.

Best wishes to you and yours, man...

 

[Longshot231]

You're not going to be an out-of-work waitress or you aren't going to get a sugar daddy?

I'm not going to be a sugar daddy. Those days are over.

 

[Gar.]

Now this is were it gets interesting. Businesses banning banknotes, asking customers to use credit, debit cards.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/busin...es-asking-customers-to-use-credit-debit-cards

 

[OldSalty]

Pretty hair raising report. Could be a long haul...

"Even with three months of a combination of social distancing of people over 70, the isolation of suspect cases, and having their families quarantined — described as the mitigation strategy — there would be “1.1-1.2 million” deaths in the United States, and the health system would be “overwhelmed many times over,” Imperial College found.

Mitigation would slow but not necessarily stop the spread of the virus, “reducing peak healthcare demand while protecting those most at risk of severe disease from infection,” the researchers explained in the report."

Coronavirus Report that Prompted Stronger U.S. Action: 1M Deaths, Even with Extreme Measures

The novel coronavirus outbreak in the U.S. will last at least 18 months, a federal government contingency plan leaked to the media this week warned.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Gar.]

Pretty hair raising report. Could be a long haul...

"Even with three months of a combination of social distancing of people over 70, the isolation of suspect cases, and having their families quarantined — described as the mitigation strategy — there would be “1.1-1.2 million” deaths in the United States, and the health system would be “overwhelmed many times over,” Imperial College found.

Mitigation would slow but not necessarily stop the spread of the virus, “reducing peak healthcare demand while protecting those most at risk of severe disease from infection,” the researchers explained in the report."

Coronavirus Report that Prompted Stronger U.S. Action: 1M Deaths, Even with Extreme Measures

The novel coronavirus outbreak in the U.S. will last at least 18 months, a federal government contingency plan leaked to the media this week warned.

www.breitbart.com

Im calling this one out with the other misinformation crap going around.

Edit to add:

 

[SD Carpenter]

I think it's all nonsense, they closed our jobsite down today so I'm a little biased.

 

[Nik H]

Pretty hair raising report. Could be a long haul...

"Even with three months of a combination of social distancing of people over 70, the isolation of suspect cases, and having their families quarantined — described as the mitigation strategy — there would be “1.1-1.2 million” deaths in the United States, and the health system would be “overwhelmed many times over,” Imperial College found.

Mitigation would slow but not necessarily stop the spread of the virus, “reducing peak healthcare demand while protecting those most at risk of severe disease from infection,” the researchers explained in the report."

Coronavirus Report that Prompted Stronger U.S. Action: 1M Deaths, Even with Extreme Measures

The novel coronavirus outbreak in the U.S. will last at least 18 months, a federal government contingency plan leaked to the media this week warned.

www.breitbart.com

It sounds really bad but if that figure is true, it amounts to less than 1% of the population....

I could totally see that

 

[OldSalty]

Im calling this one out with the other misinformation crap going around.

Edit to add:

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Did you read it?

 

[Gar.]

Did you read it?

I did brother, and nothing against you personally, I just think its fictional in regards to the claims “the outbreak lasting 18 months and killing millions of people in the U.S.”

 

[Inifinty]

I did brother, and nothing against you personally, I just think its fictional in regards to the claims “the outbreak lasting 18 months and killing millions of people in the U.S.”

They cited a report from Imperial College and then you cited Wikipedia lol.

Has the boogey man taken over Imperial College too?

 

[Nik H]

Cuomo just shut down NY State starting Sunday night

 

[Centuriator]

Cuomo just shut down NY State starting Sunday night

Old news by now, try to keep up.

 

[Gar.]

They cited a report from Imperial College and then you cited Wikipedia lol.

Has the boogey man taken over Imperial College too?

Lol, right, ya got me there. It still sounds like BS to me.

 

[Nik H]

Old news by now, try to keep up.

Thanks...I'll try

 

[Inifinty]

NY really has the lion share of cases for the US. That guy @Fig knows of must have really spread it around at that dance.

Very neighborly of him.

 

[Longshot231]

 

[Gar.]

So what would be worse, 1 million Americans dead in 18 months from the China flu, or 18 months of home isolation, marshal law (cause no one is going to stay home for 18 months), at the expense of the complete collapse of the U.S. economy, followed by the U.S. currency going TU?

I mean people die, and I’m not making light of the fact that many of these people we will know personally, but...

For example, every year in the U.S. alone, the following deaths occur:

647,000 heart disease

606,880 cancer

261,914 Alzheimer

So do we outlaw everything that causes heart disease, cancer, and Alzheimers, and tank the economy while we do it?

 

[thejeep]

Went ahead and got my old icu job back. Figured at least I could have some driving privileges.

 

[Gar.]

Went ahead and got my old icu job back. Figured at least I could have some driving privileges.

Good on you. Im sure the people you help will appreciate it. Be safe! ???

 

[Khavic]

So what would be worse, 1 million Americans dead in 18 months from the China flu, or 18 months of home isolation, marshal law (cause no one is going to stay home for 18 months), at the expense of the complete collapse of the U.S. economy, followed by the U.S. currency going TU?

I mean people die, and I’m not making light of the fact that many of these people we will know personally, but...

For example, every year in the U.S. alone, the following deaths occur:

647,000 heart disease

606,880 cancer

261,914 Alzheimer

So do we outlaw everything that causes heart disease, cancer, and Alzheimers, and tank the economy while we do it?

It's a heaping helping of shit sandwich for sure.

 

[MK20]

The real problem here is that so much of this situation doesn’t quite add up. The gov is my bigger worry than the virus. We can find a cure for the virus.

 

[Rocketvapor]

"For example, every year in the U.S. alone, the following deaths occur:
647,000 heart disease
606,880 cancer
261,914 Alzheimer "

Any of those take 10 to 15 days from the time you get it to kill you?

 

[phlegethon]

So what would be worse, 1 million Americans dead in 18 months from the China flu, or 18 months of home isolation, marshal law (cause no one is going to stay home for 18 months), at the expense of the complete collapse of the U.S. economy, followed by the U.S. currency going TU?

I mean people die, and I’m not making light of the fact that many of these people we will know personally, but...

For example, every year in the U.S. alone, the following deaths occur:

647,000 heart disease

606,880 cancer

261,914 Alzheimer

So do we outlaw everything that causes heart disease, cancer, and Alzheimers, and tank the economy while we do it?

If we did nothing at all we would probably see closer to ten million deaths. On the other hand, if we did a better job with the public health measures we may not need to be locked down for very long. Wuhan reopened after a month or so.

Coronavirus: The Hammer and the Dance

What the Next 18 Months Can Look Like, if Leaders Buy Us Time

medium.com

 

[longebow]

UPDATE 3/20/2020:

It seems that Governor Newsom has quarantined my "birth home" California!

Our local Okaloosa Beaches will be closed to spring breakers effective tomorrow. Great for traffic, bad for business and our local economy...

My continual, daily research has not changed my opinion on COVID-19 that the facts DO NOT SUPPORT the panic.

Here is the political/juicy part:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/19/california-orders-state-wide-lockdown-all-residents-must-stay-at-home/#more-186880

Here is an excellent reply to this article. Underlined/italicized by me:

Brother I’m with you 100%. I lost my job because of this hysteria. Nonetheless, President Trump is doing the right thing. He can’t push back against the pandemic narrative or else he comes across as uncaring toward the elderly and the fake news will magnify every death and call him Hitler, which absolutely could cost him substantial votes. The commies wanted a “pandemic”, so he rolled with it. Here’s your fucking pandemic. Shut everything down. Now they can’t say a damn thing, especially the open borders lunatics. They just have to STFU now. Plus Trump gets to demonstrate in real time how an actual, competent and decisive leader handles a “crisis”. He will come out of this thing a WINNER in a few months when the fatality numbers are way under 1,000 and his people go on every talk show and compare his numbers to previous outbreaks during Obama’s administration. They gave him this on a platter unwittingly, of course, but unfortunately there is going to be some short term pain.

Compare the H1N1/Swine Flu Pandemic of 2009. Different president, in case you forgot...

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/cdcresponse.htm

WHO declared H1N1 a pandemic on 6/11/2009. Do you remember a run on toilet paper and bread?

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm

Summary of 2009 as of 2011 in the U.S.:

Cases: 60.8 million
Hospitalizations: 274,304
Deaths: 12,469


Now, for the science...

Here is a summary of Influenza vs. COVID-19:

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

Please note that according to the CDC, this flu season, the deaths have been estimated from 20,000-52,000. COVID-19: 150 (as of 3/19/2020)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.cdc.gov%252Fcoronavirus%252F2019-ncov%252Fcases-in-us.html

There are seven (7) identified Coronaviruses infecting humans. Four, are common, and we have all been exposed at some point in our lives. According to my research, these common coronaviruses account for 10-15% of "viral infections" in the U.S. As a physician, we test/screen for acute, treatable illness (Influenza, Group A Beta-Hemolytic Streptococcus), and as a routine, do NOT screen for the viral subtypes (at the recommendation of our local infectious disease specialist, we just ran a 20-virus PCR panel on a Magnolia patient, and it was VERY expensive). Due to our frequent exposure to these common coronaviruses, I have to presume that we, as a population, have SOME innate immunity to COVID-19 (I'm a physician, not a virologist). This may explain why the symptoms are so variable in patients seen thus far. As testing becomes more common/available, I expect the number of COVID-19 patients to increase rapidly, increasing the "denominator" and thus reducing the "death rate" from this infection.

According to the CDC: "People around the world commonly get infected with human coronaviruses 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html

Here is a NIH article discussing the human coronaviruses and a review of virus/host interactions.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5456285/

Selected quotes:

Human coronaviruses (HCoVs) represent a major group of coronaviruses (CoVs) associated with multiple respiratory diseases of varying severity, including common cold, pneumonia and bronchiolitis.

four HCoVs (HCoV-229E, HCoV-NL63, HCoV-OC43 and HCoV-HKU1) are globally circulated in the human population and contribute to approximately one-third of common cold infections in humans [4]. In severe cases, these four HCoVs can cause life-threatening pneumonia and bronchiolitis especially in elderly, children and immunocompromised patients.

In summary, we should continue to support our leaders, our communities, and families. We will get through this. I believe that HE is with us, and protecting us.

Have a great weekend!

longebow

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

United States
20,000 cases and 260 deaths = .013
As the testing increases so will the positive and I will bet a months pay that the deaths will not keep pace.
This virus has been in the country since the flu season began. It wasn't tested for and probably a million people have had it and recovered from it without any fanfare.
Shutting down the economy is a cover for something. My theory: follow the money. The power grab and the loss of rights.
The sheeple crowd has grown exponentially in the last week or two