The OFFICIAL 'Wuhan' Coronavirus outbreak information and tracking thread. NARRATIVE CHANGE. "Endemic, just like the cold". Cuomo regrets lockdown.

[Longshot231]

What's up with this?

Video shows not much going on a major hospitals where there are supposed to be a lot of sick people.

Todd Starnes is/was a Fox News Contributor.

 

[Longshot231]

Where are all the sick people?

I have been posting based of stats provided and a handful of videos out of China and Italy.

Then this which is a little perplexing.

I've seen much of the videos that she re-posted. I also heard Todd Starnes on AFR talk about this very subject.

Go to his link for all sorts of stuff on the Coronavirus. I feel like I could trust him more than any of the other journalists reporting on the pandemic.

https://www.toddstarnes.com/category/coronavirus/

 

[Raffy]

What's up with this?

Video shows not much going on a major hospitals where there are supposed to be a lot of sick people.

I saw MTN posted this in another thread and it is so aggravating I had to respond in both forums because this lady is so stupid and uneducated.

Buckle in and come with me for a little countryside drive...

1. Who in their right mind believes the mainstream media this literally? They are selling sensationalism, and have for years. Where did my salt lick go? I need to lick it some more after watching both sides of the reporting there.

2 . How scientific or literal do you think any of those were when doing their "reporting?" When they opened up the testing tents there were lines, ie-Black Friday at 4 am vs Black Friday at 10 pm.

3. Hospitals are hemorrhaging money now BECAUSE THEY ARE EMPTY as a result of preparing for the unknown case load that hopefully will not come to them as a result of the precautions being taken at the advice of the CDC/white house/whoever else comes up with terms like "social distancing". They are doing what Italy most likely wished they would have done. All non emergent surgeries/tests/procedures have been rescheduled and postponed to TRY KEEPING THE HOSPITALS FREE OF COVID 19/practice and promote successful social distancing, and also to ensure if the service area any hospital develops a large outbreak of the virus there will be adequate beds available for the infected patients.

Where I am working now there are two places where COVID patients are being taken for care, one is obviously ICU(for the ventilated and more critical or complicated patients) and the other is an entire floor that was reassigned from an elective procedures recovery unit to COVID only(separating patients who do and who do not have it so as not to allow spread of the virus throughout the hospital). It is temporarily dedicated during this crisis (yes I said crisis, That is what it is) for anyone who tests positive or is symptomatic and awaiting results of said testing but is doing well enough to tolerate standard nursing care.

The reason hospitals are empty is because you are not seeing people go there for at least 3 reasons-
A. People are seeing the sensationalized news footage and thinking if they so much as look up the number to the hospital in the phone book they will get coronavirus, so they sure as heck won't go to the ER unless they think they are dying! (Which is ironically what an ER is supposed to be for anyways. Basically patients are now treating the hospital the way it normally should be treated.
B. Medium and large hospitals are always busy with non emergent care of people, ie orthopedic surgeries, gallbladder surgeries that truly could wait, plastic surgeries, etc... Now they are not for the same reasons I spoke to above.
C. Healthcare is becoming much more digitized and many hospitals are pushing for virtual visits to promote social distancing. You can get on your phone, tablet, computer and basically skype or face time with a doctor and they will try and help you that way first. If they cannot, (often they can) they will advise you to go to the hospital, doctors office, or give a referral or whatever. Virtual appointments = less people going to the hospital=less risk of infecting staff and patient in the hospital like has happened in many nursing homes throughout the country (100% infection rate of residents).

You would be amazed at how often people use the ER as their own personal family physician. That is being cracked down on and people are encouraged to do the virtual thing and people are doing it because it is often cheaper. Usually people are abusing the ER for non emergent things because they don't have money(which doesn't make sense but these often are not the smartest people) or lack of insurance. In many hospitals if you show up in an ER the doctor IS REQUIRED to see you and prove that you are not dying and then sends you away OR admits you. All this regardless of insurance or ability to pay.

Some facilities are "overwhelmed" with these patients not because they are thronging to the doors like the climax of the walking dead, but because they have X amount of patients needing this specialized care and Y amount of resources to dedicate to them at their disposal. Like if you have a burrito truck and there are 10 people in line but you only can sell 6 burritos (which would be a sad commentary on our troubled times.)

The media sucks and they always spin things to make people want to wait around and watch their entire broadcast. This lady is a fool and is doing a disservice to everyone who is sacrificing their regular paychecks for the greater good based on SCIENTIFIC recommendations by large groups based on real numbers tallied over as long a period as possible for as much statistical accuracy as can be achieved. She and the news agency are both only showing a single snapshot in time of both the high, and the low. Also her douche nugget followers are A-holes going up and harassing people in the hospitals when they are just trying to do their jobs. The first guy is the worst with the ambulance guy. Seriously, Who ever qualified this guy to diagnose anyone with COVID 19 in the back of an ambulance. It takes a medical degree and a 4-6 day test to know who does and doesn't have it with multiple other services like xray, CT Scan, routine lab work, etc......Idiots....

What time were all of these shots taken? Obviously the news reporter was at night when every ER is the busiest and probably on a Saturday night, usually the busiest night of the week. The amateur reporters were filmed when? 730 am when everyone is sleeping? Sunday at 10 when people are not likely to go out or when it is raining and people aren't willing to go out? The point of all this is, yes the lame-stream media has overblown this to look like a war zone in the movies(Geez guys, this isn't MASH!!), but it was underblown just as bad by this douche nugget's youtube amateur reporting channel.

By raise of hands how many people think Grey's Anatomy or Scrubs come anywhere near to reality? Anyone...???Anyone...???

The reality is that this "war" is based on probabilities and statistics compared with known inventory and expected shortages in worst case scenario, and taking precautions to prevent worst case scenario in an attempt to achieve best case scenario, while realizing that realistically it will probably fall somewhere in between.

Let's play a little game. I would like to call it Pearl Harbor... (if anyone gets out their history books to critique my play numbers, Ima go Jackie Chan on you) If they had known there were going to be 200 Japanese planes that were wanting to come bomb Hawaii they would have told everyone to go to the safest place possible, engage in the safest behavior possible, and stay there as long as they could due to 'the unknown outcome' and severity of the attack. Also, they would: set up extra tents for patients, had more phlebotomists, lab and radiology technologists, nurses, surgical staff, and doctors to help triage and treat all the wounded on hand, and gotten rid of the patients in the hospitals who could safely be discharged in an attempt to free up beds, services, staff, supplies, and equipment for the possibility that they would hit in any critical or high density places, and, and, and.... Instead they got caught with their pants down and got slaughtered. They lost Pearl Harbor simply because they just weren't ready.

Hospitals are playing Pearl Harbor. They are positioning themselves to be ready if they need to be. Hopefully most wont. Depends on how this plays out. It is new and unknown. If everyone follows the basic recommendations the chances are much lower there will be mass crisis simply because it will help to make it manageable by the different facilities that were shown to be empty. There are all these people to try and poke holes in this thing and they just don't understand it. It is doing more harm than good.
What they ought to do is poke holes in the crappy reporting and sensationalism the media promotes on their 24/7 "news" cycle. Then there would be less people on here who are so distrustful of what they are told by the ones who are actually telling it like it is when it really matters. Salt Lick.

The end. You may now unbuckle your seat belts. Thank you for coming along on the ride.

 

[phlegethon]

So this theory all the deniers have, that everyone already had it, that your bad cold in January was COVID, and therefore all the projections are wrong because most of the country has immunity…no. Antibody testing from a town in Colorado is 98% negative so far. I’m sure that won’t stop the tinfoil consumption around here, but maybe of interest to any noncrazy viewers of the thread.

San Miguel County, CO

First Results of COVID-19 Blood Tests Announced

www.sanmiguelcountyco.gov

 

[Longshot231]

I saw MTN posted this in another thread and it is so aggravating I had to respond in both forums because this lady is so stupid and uneducated.

Buckle in and come with me for a little countryside drive...

1. Who in their right mind believes the mainstream media this literally? They are selling sensationalism, and have for years. Where did my salt lick go? I need to lick it some more after watching both sides of the reporting there.

2 . How scientific or literal do you think any of those were when doing their "reporting?" When they opened up the testing tents there were lines, ie-Black Friday at 4 am vs Black Friday at 10 pm.

3. Hospitals are hemorrhaging money now BECAUSE THEY ARE EMPTY as a result of preparing for the unknown case load that hopefully will not come to them as a result of the precautions being taken at the advice of the CDC/white house/whoever else comes up with terms like "social distancing". They are doing what Italy most likely wished they would have done. All non emergent surgeries/tests/procedures have been rescheduled and postponed to TRY KEEPING THE HOSPITALS FREE OF COVID 19/practice and promote successful social distancing, and also to ensure if the service area any hospital develops a large outbreak of the virus there will be adequate beds available for the infected patients.

Where I am working now there are two places where COVID patients are being taken for care, one is obviously ICU(for the ventilated and more critical or complicated patients) and the other is an entire floor that was reassigned from an elective procedures recovery unit to COVID only(separating patients who do and who do not have it so as not to allow spread of the virus throughout the hospital). It is temporarily dedicated during this crisis (yes I said crisis, That is what it is) for anyone who tests positive or is symptomatic and awaiting results of said testing but is doing well enough to tolerate standard nursing care.

The reason hospitals are empty is because you are not seeing people go there for at least 3 reasons-
A. People are seeing the sensationalized news footage and thinking if they so much as look up the number to the hospital in the phone book they will get coronavirus, so they sure as heck won't go to the ER unless they think they are dying! (Which is ironically what an ER is supposed to be for anyways. Basically patients are now treating the hospital the way it normally should be treated.
B. Medium and large hospitals are always busy with non emergent care of people, ie orthopedic surgeries, gallbladder surgeries that truly could wait, plastic surgeries, etc... Now they are not for the same reasons I spoke to above.
C. Healthcare is becoming much more digitized and many hospitals are pushing for virtual visits to promote social distancing. You can get on your phone, tablet, computer and basically skype or face time with a doctor and they will try and help you that way first. If they cannot, (often they can) they will advise you to go to the hospital, doctors office, or give a referral or whatever. Virtual appointments = less people going to the hospital=less risk of infecting staff and patient in the hospital like has happened in many nursing homes throughout the country (100% infection rate of residents).

You would be amazed at how often people use the ER as their own personal family physician. That is being cracked down on and people are encouraged to do the virtual thing and people are doing it because it is often cheaper. Usually people are abusing the ER for non emergent things because they don't have money(which doesn't make sense but these often are not the smartest people) or lack of insurance. In many hospitals if you show up in an ER the doctor IS REQUIRED to see you and prove that you are not dying and then sends you away OR admits you. All this regardless of insurance or ability to pay.

Some facilities are "overwhelmed" with these patients not because they are thronging to the doors like the climax of the walking dead, but because they have X amount of patients needing this specialized care and Y amount of resources to dedicate to them at their disposal. Like if you have a burrito truck and there are 10 people in line but you only can sell 6 burritos (which would be a sad commentary on our troubled times.)

The media sucks and they always spin things to make people want to wait around and watch their entire broadcast. This lady is a fool and is doing a disservice to everyone who is sacrificing their regular paychecks for the greater good based on SCIENTIFIC recommendations by large groups based on real numbers tallied over as long a period as possible for as much statistical accuracy as can be achieved. She and the news agency are both only showing a single snapshot in time of both the high, and the low. Also her douche nugget followers are A-holes going up and harassing people in the hospitals when they are just trying to do their jobs. The first guy is the worst with the ambulance guy. Seriously, Who ever qualified this guy to diagnose anyone with COVID 19 in the back of an ambulance. It takes a medical degree and a 4-6 day test to know who does and doesn't have it with multiple other services like xray, CT Scan, routine lab work, etc......Idiots....

What time were all of these shots taken? Obviously the news reporter was at night when every ER is the busiest and probably on a Saturday night, usually the busiest night of the week. The amateur reporters were filmed when? 730 am when everyone is sleeping? Sunday at 10 when people are not likely to go out or when it is raining and people aren't willing to go out? The point of all this is, yes the lame-stream media has overblown this to look like a war zone in the movies(Geez guys, this isn't MASH!!), but it was underblown just as bad by this douche nugget's youtube amateur reporting channel.

By raise of hands how many people think Grey's Anatomy or Scrubs come anywhere near to reality? Anyone...???Anyone...???

The reality is that this "war" is based on probabilities and statistics compared with known inventory and expected shortages in worst case scenario, and taking precautions to prevent worst case scenario in an attempt to achieve best case scenario, while realizing that realistically it will probably fall somewhere in between.

Let's play a little game. I would like to call it Pearl Harbor... (if anyone gets out their history books to critique my play numbers, Ima go Jackie Chan on you) If they had known there were going to be 200 Japanese planes that were wanting to come bomb Hawaii they would have told everyone to go to the safest place possible, engage in the safest behavior possible, and stay there as long as they could due to 'the unknown outcome' and severity of the attack. Also, they would: set up extra tents for patients, had more phlebotomists, lab and radiology technologists, nurses, surgical staff, and doctors to help triage and treat all the wounded on hand, and gotten rid of the patients in the hospitals who could safely be discharged in an attempt to free up beds, services, staff, supplies, and equipment for the possibility that they would hit in any critical or high density places, and, and, and.... Instead they got caught with their pants down and got slaughtered. They lost Pearl Harbor simply because they just weren't ready.

Hospitals are playing Pearl Harbor. They are positioning themselves to be ready if they need to be. Hopefully most wont. Depends on how this plays out. It is new and unknown. If everyone follows the basic recommendations the chances are much lower there will be mass crisis simply because it will help to make it manageable by the different facilities that were shown to be empty. There are all these people to try and poke holes in this thing and they just don't understand it. It is doing more harm than good.
What they ought to do is poke holes in the crappy reporting and sensationalism the media promotes on their 24/7 "news" cycle. Then there would be less people on here who are so distrustful of what they are told by the ones who are actually telling it like it is when it really matters. Salt Lick.

The end. You may now unbuckle your seat belts. Thank you for coming along on the ride.

Well said. Excellent assessment.

 

[barronian]

here are some interesting numbers from outside the US bubble. Interesting to see real data on age distribution of the infected, and where the infections came from, etc.

Coronaviruset: Slik spres viruset i Norge og verden. Kart og statistikk.

VG gir deg de siste tallene og oversikt over coronavirusets utvikling. Sjekk status i din egen kommune. Informasjonen oppdateres fortløpende.

www.vg.no

Try Google translate

 

[Longshot231]

yep thanks for the effort @Raffy

Todd Starnes is more clear regarding his observations about media hype in his podcast and it seems his intent was misrepresented in the video I posted.

I am not a denier. I have been telling people to take it seriously from the start, but then saw that video and was like WTF.

I didn't get the impression that Starnes' video was misrepresented. I don't deny that the Coronavirus is real. However, much like the rest of us here, I believe the reaction is overblown and the world has been put into a panic.

Precautions are necessary but if the lock-downs go on for much longer the country we are living in now will no longer be a Republic.

Imagine yourself living in the US in 1863. There is no way that anyone alive back then could have imagined a death toll of 600,000 from the Civil War.

The over-reaction and panic resulting from the virus will probably be the catalyst for CW 2.0. The death toll from that could surpass the death toll from the virus.

Last week total unemployment claims topped 6.6 million. With that many people out of work, there is no way our financial infrastructure can withstand that unless we print more money. We know what happens when a government prints money faster than the ink can dry.

When we look at the actions the President has taken, they are not as drastic as what state governors are doing. IMHO, this is more of a power grab by governors and state-level bureaucrats than it is on the Federal level. It's as if every governor will go one step beyond what the President has recommended.

The newspapers of the 1860s lusted after huge battles to report on. They weren't getting enough stories and kept pressing the generals to go fight. They were in for their big shock after Antietam. The biggest shock came at Gettsyburg. After that it wasn't fun & games for the press anymore.

The MSM would rather see people passing out in the streets; bodies bloated from the heat and covered with flies. The muckrakers would rather see lines at the soup kitchens wrapping around the city than reporting the truth. They would rather see hospitals look like the run-down medical buildings we see in third-world countries with cart loads of corpses moving slowly along the streets to the crematoriums.

The MSM would rather sew discord by calling anyone who farts a racist. The MSM would love nothing better than to see a CW 2.0 to get more advertisers.

Even though Trump is experiencing a high popularity rating now, I fear that could change in a few months. People will give up freedom in order to protect their security. If a leftist wins the election there will probably be violence in the streets. If Trump wins reelection, there will probably be violence in the streets.

I hope that I am wrong.

 

[OldSalty]

So this theory all the deniers have, that everyone already had it, that your bad cold in January was COVID, and therefore all the projections are wrong because most of the country has immunity…no. Antibody testing from a town in Colorado is 98% negative so far. I’m sure that won’t stop the tinfoil consumption around here, but maybe of interest to any noncrazy viewers of the thread.

San Miguel County, CO

First Results of COVID-19 Blood Tests Announced

www.sanmiguelcountyco.gov

I do not think its fair to use this for extrapolation. Not a denier either, so save the rhetoric. I have not seen anyone say "everyone has had it", but some people think they may have. You do realize there are like, a very very small number of "deniers" here right? But a bunch of people who like to ask questions on the data. Please dont conflate the two, unless of course you have some other agenda?

Good lord...

San Miguel County, Colorado - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2010 Population - 7,359
Latest confirmed county cases - 7

Would be interesting to see test results on a large number in a major metro, given the large deviation from confirmed cases state by state and even between counties in each state. 98% may hold to be true, but may not. But hey, this is exactly what I mentioned before..."selective scrutiny".

 

[phlegethon]

Not a denier either, so save the rhetoric

That's kind of true. You don't seem to make any real argument about what the truth is, you just go around "questioning" everything without evidence, bringing up arguments already debunked, and alluding to vast conspiracies.

I have not seen anyone say "everyone has had it", but some people think they may have.

There are many people who have advanced the argument that they already had it, they think many others did, and therefore it is likely the population has substantial herd immunity, and so the worst case projections are not valid. If that were true, it would obviously have significant implications for how we approach this, so it is an important thing to address. But all the objective evidence points to that not being true.

You do realize there are like, a very very small number of "deniers" here right? But a bunch of people who like to ask questions on the data. Please dont conflate the two,

This thread is kept alive by the deniers. I will say their numbers have dwindled although few have had the balls to come back and say they were wrong.

unless of course you have some other agenda?

Perfect example. Please state the nature of this agenda you claim I have, what my goal is, how I benefit.

Would be interesting to see test results on a large number in a major metro, given the large deviation from confirmed cases state by state and even between counties in each state.

Yes. You are right. It would be very interesting. But we don't have that data. And just like when a house catches on fire, you don't have photos available form the next day of what the site will look like, or how much will burn if you don't try to put the fire out. So you have to make predictions from the available data. And the available data on the attack rate, case fatality rate, our observations of other epidemics, and the biology of the virus clearly says that if we don't do anything to stop the spread, the vast majority will be infected, 5-10% of those will require hospitalization, and anywhere from 1-10% will die depending on healthcare system capacity. And here is one more piece of objective data. Do you think it is pure coincidence that it supports what I've been saying all along, based on other populations, that there aren't a lot of hidden people who have been infected and recovered?

 

[OldSalty]

That's kind of true. You don't seem to make any real argument about what the truth is, you just go around "questioning" everything without evidence, bringing up arguments already debunked, and alluding to vast conspiracies.


There are many people who have advanced the argument that they already had it, they think many others did, and therefore it is likely the population has substantial herd immunity, and so the worst case projections are not valid. If that were true, it would obviously have significant implications for how we approach this, so it is an important thing to address. But all the objective evidence points to that not being true.


This thread is kept alive by the deniers. I will say their numbers have dwindled although few have had the balls to come back and say they were wrong.


Perfect example. Please state the nature of this agenda you claim I have, what my goal is, how I benefit.


Yes. You are right. It would be very interesting. But we don't have that data. And just like when a house catches on fire, you don't have photos available form the next day of what the site will look like, or how much will burn if you don't try to put the fire out. So you have to make predictions from the available data. And the available data on the attack rate, case fatality rate, our observations of other epidemics, and the biology of the virus clearly says that if we don't do anything to stop the spread, the vast majority will be infected, 5-10% of those will require hospitalization, and anywhere from 1-10% will die depending on healthcare system capacity. And here is one more piece of objective data. Do you think it is pure coincidence that it supports what I've been saying all along, based on other populations, that there aren't a lot of hidden people who have been infected and recovered?

When people make assertions on data it peaks my interest - hence the questions. You can call it what you will. I don't have a problem with being wrong and can readily admit when I am. If you can point to an assertion I have made which is incorrect, I will happily fall on that sword.

Ah, critical thinking and asking questions on the data is conflated to vast conspiracies? LoL, what label for me is next? So I guess I am a denier then too, yes? And I have agreed that with data you have to make decisions on what you have, even when incomplete. But I have also said that models get more accurate as more data is input over time. Is that a conspiracy?

There are deniers, and I said that there were, but there are not nearly as many as you allude to.

And yes, the data from a sparsely populated Colorado county supports your assertion that there are not a lot of people who have been infected and recovered. See we can agree - not so hard is it? But, I think more data is needed before you can extrapolate out to the US population. Would you agree?

 

[phlegethon]

When people make assertions on data it peaks my interest - hence the questions. You can call it what you will. I don't have a problem with being wrong and can readily admit when I am. If you can point to an assertion I have made which is incorrect, I will happily fall on that sword.

Ah, critical thinking and asking questions on the data is conflated to vast conspiracies? LoL, what label for me is next? So I guess I am a denier then too, yes? And I have agreed that with data you have to make decisions on what you have, even when incomplete. But I have also said that models get more accurate as more data is input over time. Is that a conspiracy?

There are deniers, and I said that there were, but there are not nearly as many as you allude to.

And yes, the data from a sparsely populated Colorado county supports your assertion that there are not a lot of people who have been infected and recovered. See we can agree - not so hard is it? But, I think more data is needed before you can extrapolate out to the US population. Would you agree?

131 patients with flu like symptoms in Los Angeles in March, not suspected to have COVID-19. Tested the samples anyway. Only 5% positive.

SARS-CoV-2 Among Patients Presenting With Influenzalike Illnesses to a Los Angeles Medical Center

This study characterizes the prevalence of reverse-transcriptase polymerase chain reaction results positive for severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) among patients presenting with influenzalike illness who underwent nasopharyngeal swab testing for influenza and respiratory...

jamanetwork.com

 

[OldSalty]

131 patients with flu like symptoms in Los Angeles in March, not suspected to have COVID-19. Tested the samples anyway. Only 5% positive.

SARS-CoV-2 Among Patients Presenting With Influenzalike Illnesses to a Los Angeles Medical Center

This study characterizes the prevalence of reverse-transcriptase polymerase chain reaction results positive for severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) among patients presenting with influenzalike illness who underwent nasopharyngeal swab testing for influenza and respiratory...

jamanetwork.com

Fair enough, and as I have repeatedly commented. 98% may hold to be true.

Hopefully we can continue testing to get more data.

 

[phlegethon]

Increase in indirect deaths were always a concern. Well here we go..

Coronavirus News: New guidelines for EMS in NYC show grim reality of COVID-19 pandemic

New guidance for EMS in New York City and Long Island says that patients in cardiac arrest should not be transported to the hospital if they cannot be saved in the field.

abc7ny.com

On the other hand, only 1-2% of patients who don’t have return of a pulse in the field will get it back in the hospital. Many have argued for years that it wasn’t worth it to transport these people, although obviously we never wanted to leave someone behind who might be able to recover.

 

[R0man]

They lost Pearl Harbor simply because they just weren't ready.

What about they lost Pearl Harbor because democrats insisted that shutting down China air traffic is racist? What it is because DeBlasio encouraged people to go to movies and the virus is a nothingburger? What if they simply want the numbers to stick it to Trump? Keeping ventilators in warehouse and complaining that they don't have? Sounds like history?

 

[Tchitcherine]

The San Miguel County result is a good reality check. And is roughly consistent with the data from the cruise ship @phlegethon posted a week or 2 ago. How many other counties are doing widespread antibody testing? It's the first I heard of.

 

[Mr.BR]

Fake news MSM spewed over last couple of years sure made lot of folks put on tin foil hats permanently

The California train engineer attempted to ram his locomotive into the USNS Mercy because he was suspicious of its real purpose in Los Angeles.

According to federal prosecutors, Moreno told FBI agents that he was concerned about why the hospital ship had really been brought to the Los Angeles area, saying he believed it could have been there as part of a plan for a government takeover or other COVID-19-related conspiracy theories. He was operating a Pacific Harbor Line train on Tuesday, March 31.

“Moreno ran the train off the end of tracks, and crashed through a series of barriers before coming to rest more than 250 yards from the Mercy,” the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Central District of California said in a statement. “No one was injured in the incident, and the Mercy was not harmed or damaged in any way. The incident did result in the train leaking a substantial amount of fuel oil, which required clean up by fire and other hazardous materials personnel.”


https://heavy.com/news/2020/04/eduardo-moreno-california-train-usns-mercy/

 

[Raffy]

What about they lost Pearl Harbor because democrats insisted that shutting down China air traffic is racist? What it is because DeBlasio encouraged people to go to movies and the virus is a nothingburger? What if they simply want the numbers to stick it to Trump? Keeping ventilators in warehouse and complaining that they don't have? Sounds like history?

History in the making right now, eh?

 

[FS1]

Fake news MSM spewed over last couple of years sure made lot of folks put on tin foil hats permanently

The California train engineer attempted to ram his locomotive into the USNS Mercy because he was suspicious of its real purpose in Los Angeles.

According to federal prosecutors, Moreno told FBI agents that he was concerned about why the hospital ship had really been brought to the Los Angeles area, saying he believed it could have been there as part of a plan for a government takeover or other COVID-19-related conspiracy theories. He was operating a Pacific Harbor Line train on Tuesday, March 31.

“Moreno ran the train off the end of tracks, and crashed through a series of barriers before coming to rest more than 250 yards from the Mercy,” the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Central District of California said in a statement. “No one was injured in the incident, and the Mercy was not harmed or damaged in any way. The incident did result in the train leaking a substantial amount of fuel oil, which required clean up by fire and other hazardous materials personnel.”


https://heavy.com/news/2020/04/eduardo-moreno-california-train-usns-mercy/

Maybe he wasn't crazy...but rather just the first Zombie.

 

[phlegethon]

Fake news MSM spewed over last couple of years sure made lot of folks put on tin foil hats permanently

The California train engineer attempted to ram his locomotive into the USNS Mercy because he was suspicious of its real purpose in Los Angeles.

According to federal prosecutors, Moreno told FBI agents that he was concerned about why the hospital ship had really been brought to the Los Angeles area, saying he believed it could have been there as part of a plan for a government takeover or other COVID-19-related conspiracy theories. He was operating a Pacific Harbor Line train on Tuesday, March 31.

“Moreno ran the train off the end of tracks, and crashed through a series of barriers before coming to rest more than 250 yards from the Mercy,” the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Central District of California said in a statement. “No one was injured in the incident, and the Mercy was not harmed or damaged in any way. The incident did result in the train leaking a substantial amount of fuel oil, which required clean up by fire and other hazardous materials personnel.”


https://heavy.com/news/2020/04/eduardo-moreno-california-train-usns-mercy/

No, the mainstream media doesn't make people do things like that. The conspiracy theorists in the far right do. Remember Pizzagate?

 

[FS1]

No, the mainstream media doesn't make people do things like that. The conspiracy theorists in the far right do. Remember Pizzagate?

I respect the knowledge you share here Doc. TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) is a product of the left wing media. There is a ballfield in DC that may pique your memory on the subject. So be they the right or the left, nuts are nuts.

 

[The DFC]

I respect the knowledge you share here Doc. TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) is a product of the left wing media. There is a ballfield in DC that may pique your memory on the subject. So be they the right or the left, nuts are nuts.

Is that poster suggesting there isn't a left wing bias to the mainstream media?

 

[Raffy]

No, the mainstream media doesn't make people do things like that. The conspiracy theorists in the far right do. Remember Pizzagate?

Educate me? Pizzagate?

 

[phlegethon]

Educate me? Pizzagate?

LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.

lmgtfy.com

 

[Gar.]

 

[Raffy]

LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.

lmgtfy.com

I thought it was an inside joke from the 'hide or somewhere. Can't hardly believe it is a real thing with a sophisticated name like that.

 

[Raffy]

I thought it was an inside joke from the 'hide or somewhere. Can't hardly believe it is a real thing with a sophisticated name like that.

Also, very passive agressive of you.

 

[phlegethon]

Also, very passive agressive of you.

Sorry, I am in a permanently bad mood now and increasingly appalled by the level of ignorance I see here. If I overreacted to your comment, which is possible, I apologize.

 

[Raffy]

Sorry, I am in a permanently bad mood now and increasingly appalled by the level of ignorance I see here. If I overreacted to your comment, which is possible, I apologize.

It's alright. Weird times right now for sure, and I've got thick skin. Glad also to see a crucial service like LMGTFY exists. I wish I would have thought of that. It's almost guaranteed to have come from someone who was a member of an online forum such as this.

 

[Mr.BR]

MSM has always been lying it just used to be dosed much much more sparingly as in the end what is the point if no one believes anything anymore.

Fake shit gained traction under GWB especialy post 9/11, right wing BS went mainstream while the Negro sat in WH ,followed close by upstart left running on Silicon Valley $ who sold Hussein as messiah walking on water , in the mean time courts ruled in favor of unlimited financing for fake news in relation to elections ,that made fake news a proper business model, under DJT it just completed full circle by rest of the MSM turning pro, fake news edging out any real news as its run like every day is an election season.

When Brits exported the fake news model to the colonials , i don't think any one imagined that i would get so out of hand in US , as at home in UK its just a profitable business that keeps bored housewifes entertained but is not taken too seriusly.

 

[softcock]

Oregon been pumping out this PSA on radio broadcast stations every hour on the hour 24-7 for last couple days , it reads like this in link posted .
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=o8Fapc0aDaQ&feature=emb_logo
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[R0man]

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[R0man]

I feel we are going towards a civil war.

 

[wade2big]

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Fauci is a piece of crap. Not his decision to make.

 

[Simia Dei]

I would not say there is any fixed length of time, it will depend on the trial design. You would ideally want to follow patients for a few weeks here since it usually takes 7-10 days to become really sick. If you were doing a trial of prophylaxis then obviously that would take longer because you'd have to give it to at-risk patients and wait to see if they got the disease at all or how severe it was.

With HCQ it's not really an issue of Phase 1 or 2, as it is already FDA approved and no one really cares about adding another indication. The real issue is just knowing if it actually works. The vast majority of antiviral drugs that have been tried in humans have failed. There have been thousands of drug candidates and only 90 approved antivirals, covering about a dozen viruses. So the odds are against anyone trying to develop any antiviral. And HCQ has been tried for a bunch of other viruses where it had in vitro activity, including SARS and MERS, but didn't work out because it was too hard to have a dose that worked and yet wasn't toxic.

So knowing that, it becomes important to have high quality data about whether it works. And you are only going to get that from a randomized trial with controls. If you just have some guy saying "I gave all these patients this drug and they were fine," first, you don't have any documentation about them, so it could be made up. You don't know if those people had the disease, or all had a mild form and would have been fine anyway.

Now, this French guy Raoult put out a study saying he'd treated 26 patients and ten controls, and the patients who got HCQ cleared the virus faster. But unfortunately, if you look at this there are some issues. The biggest is that he excluded six of the patients who got HCQ from the final analysis, and it actually looks like they did worse. Three of them died. It also wasn't randomized, so you don't know if they picked sicker patients as controls.

There was a small Chinese study that appears to have been well done (it was a randomized controlled trial) but only had 30 patients. They saw no difference, which means it's very unlikely there is a huge treatment effect. But there may be a small one and we'd need a larger study to know. Those are being done in multiple countries.

The bottom line is that if you know that antiviral therapies usually don't work, you need to have a higher standard of proof before you just start throwing them at people. This is not random red tape. This is a process that has evolved over decades because we've seen that we harm patients when we take shortcuts.

Sorry mate, took a while to get back to reply. Thanks for answering my questions.

Regarding the standard of proof that should be given, what is your definition for that standard of proof? A single meta analysis with "X" number of studies, or several meta analyses?

 

[OldSalty]

Sorry mate, took a while to get back to reply. Thanks for answering my questions.

Regarding the standard of proof that should be given, what is your definition for that standard of proof? A single meta analysis with "X" number of studies, or several meta analyses?

Likely depends on the outcome. JS.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

LATEST BREAKING COVID-19 NEWS AROUND THE GLOBE:

Many more countries are passing or in the process of passing extremely rigid lockdown procedures to try to contain the spread of the SARS-coV-2 virus, which at the time of this posting, has infected over 1 million worldwide and claimed over 52,000 lives, including 5,000 in the United States. In the previous week, the world's attention was brought upon India, whose sudden and unprecedented nationwide lockdown was issued with almost absolutely no forward planning or strategy. Hundreds of lives were lost as millions of migrant workers stampeded to board some of the last buses operating. Frantic hordes of people literally scrambled over each other to purchase tickets and board the vehicles, greatly opening the chances for uncontrolled community spread of the illness. Elsewhere, police forcibly closed all stores, including essential businesses supplying food and utilities, while using clubs to beat anyone who were still outside in the streets. Millions faced potential starvation as groceries and food markets were forced to shutter their doors. As the virus continues to spread and cases continue to rocket skyward, more bizarre instances of government mismanagement has surfaced in other countries as well.

TURKMENISTAN:

Well, that is one way to defeat the virus... By complete denial of it's existence in the world. This Central Asian Islamic republic and former Soviet satellite which is known for having a government that is equally repressive, if not more repressive than North Korea, has officially banned the use of the words "coronavirus", "COVID-19", or any term associated with this novel pathogen in both state publications, media reports, and even the conversations of citizens. Secret police units are embedded in crowds at grocery lines and bus stations with the specific purpose of arresting anyone who is talking about the worldwide outbreak. Furthermore, the president of Turkmenistan, Gurbanguly Berdimukhammedov, has officially declared that the burning of an ancient herbal concoction, whose planting, harvest, and market sale is controlled directly by his family, is the only proven cure for any infectious disease should they appear in his country. Currently, Turkmenistan is adamantly reporting that there has been zero cases of COVID-19 in it's borders, even though almost nobody is believing it. Turkmenistan shares a border with Iran, which had been ravaged by the current outbreak with thousands of deaths.

‘The Fields Heal Everyone’: Post-Soviet Leaders’ Coronavirus Denial (Published 2020)

The heads of several former Soviet republics have persisted in playing down the severity of the coronavirus pandemic, with some also promoting unproven folk remedies.

www.nytimes.com

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Radio Free Europe, which has journalists in the country, reported that Turkmenistan has tried to squelch even private conversations about the virus. Plainclothes police officers detain those who gossip about it in food lines, the news organization said. Despite sharing a border with Iran, which has reported more than 44,000 infections, Turkmenistan’s government says the country has not had a single case.
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PHILIPPINES:

In a move that almost mimics India's poorly executed and thought-out nightmare which is quickly turning into a clusterfuck, Philippines president Rodrigo Duterte, who is already infamous around the world for his brutal campaign to eradicate his country's illicit drug market in the last 4 years, passed a similar mass lockdown which forbade citizens from even procuring essential provisions, complete with a vow that the police and the military will be authorized to "shoot on sight" anyone who violates the lockdown. Duterte's order arrived in the wake of reports of protests in Quezon City where many citizens are facing starvation and shortages of critical supplies following the declaration of the nationwide lockdown.

'I Will Bury You': Duterte Says Coronavirus Lockdown Violators Can Be Shot

The Filipino island of Luzon — including the capital Manila — is under lockdown until at least April 14 as authorities try and contain the novel coronavirus.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Blue Sky Country]

BREAKING UPDATES FROM NEW YORK CITY:

As New York City surpassed yet another grim milestone of over 50,000 cases with at least 1,500 deaths, and with the region's hospitals and emergency medical services swamped, the NY and Long Island regional EMS coordination service has issued new emergency guidelines for adult cardiac arrest patients. Under these new guidelines, if a cardiac arrest patient cannot be resuscitated in the field, the ambulance team is to declare the patient dead on the scene and forward the case to the medical examiner's office instead of bringing the patients to the hospital, as was required under normal circumstances. The new guidelines were passed with the hope of freeing up the city's already stretched-to-the-limit emergency medical services so they can respond to other emergencies.

Grim New Rules for NYC Paramedics: Don't Bring Cardiac Arrests to ER for Revival

As the coronavirus stretches New York City emergency rooms and paramedics to their limits, a regional EMT group has issued new guidelines almost unthinkable even days ago — if someone’s in cardiac arrest and you can’t revive them in the field, don’t bring them to the emergency room. The newly...

www.nbcnewyork.com

In other news filed under "New York City"...

NYC is now urging all people to cover their faces when going outdoors, as COVID-19 cases continue to skyrocket in the city. However, the mayor's office is suggesting for people to use scarves, shirts, other articles of clothing, and even paper towels instead of purchasing surgical or medical masks...

Okay, I understand that masks are in short supply and folks on the front lines of the emergency do need them... However, do NOT talk to us like prison inmates with this kind of bullshit. "Scarves, dresses, shirts..."???

Really? FUCK YOU. My local hardware store had a 50 pack box of surgical masks in stock today. I purchased it and gave 30 of them to the elderly Ukrainian lady and her daughter who lives next door to us.

And by the way, nearly 99% of New Yorkers have already been wearing face masks for the past 2 weeks. You are late to the game, deBlasio... Typical government dicksuckery.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Have they stopped pumping NARCAN into dumb fucks that stick a needle full of heroin into their arm?
Can we get some videos of the fish flopping on the sidewalk?

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Have they stopped pumping NARCAN into dumb fucks that stick a needle full of heroin into their arm?
Can we get some videos of the fish flopping on the sidewalk?

Unfortunately not...

The local newspapers are going as far as even praising "brave and selfless" volunteers who are going around distributing food and Narcan to addicts.

 

[OldSalty]

Looks like extreme lockdown has Italy below 4% infection rate increases and they might be turning a corner.

O/U for nationwide lockdown in USA?

Feels like its probably coming, aside from any break-through treatment.

Those masks may go to use...

Italy appears to be flattening its curve, data shows

Italy has started to see some success from its strict measures.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Centerfire01]

What are everyone's thought on how long before life gets back to some semblance of normalcy?

 

[Bender]

Can we talk about the unforeseen consequences? Let’s see what the suicide rate does in the next 18 months because of isolation and lost jobs.

 

[TheGerman]

Can we talk about the unforeseen consequences? Let’s see what the suicide rate does in the next 18 months because of isolation and lost jobs.

This.

The brain trust administrators at my wife's hospital threw out the idea last week to 'redeploy' doctors to work in ICU/ERs in hot spots.

That sounds great on paper and all, but like, uh....what happens to the cancer patients that now don't have a doctor because they're stuck babysitting a ventilator somewhere else?

Fucking retarded - just wait until someones mom/dad/family member dies because they can't get chemo or by the time they do get seen their condition went from treatable to 'send them to hospice' and let me know how those lawsuits work out in your master plan.

The response to this will kill more people than the actual issue.

 

[candyx]

Its amazing how fragile we are that something invisible to the nake eye can remove life from earth and that fucking skank Pelosi is immuned to any disease that exist in the solar system. Here we stock up on guns and ammo when we should be defending ourselves from biological warfare.

 

[Bender]

This is why I HATE big government.

the “Answer” May turn out worse than the symptoms.

 

[Gar.]

Its amazing how fragile we are that something invisible to the nake eye can remove life from earth and that fucking skank Pelosi is immuned to any disease that exist in the solar system. Here we stock up on guns and ammo when we should be defending ourselves from biological warfare.

Oh just give it some time, the guns and ammo will be just as important. If people start to believe we will never be the same, and things will only get worse, then being able to defend yourself and your family will be very important.

 

[Longshot231]

 

[Bigfatcock]

Damned Chinese Virus has seriously Impacted the amount of pussy I get. It blows my mind that 3 weeks ago a woman was DTF with a person they met 5 hours ago, but now they are afraid to meet up because...Coronavirus.

 

[candyx]

Damned Chinese Virus has seriously Impacted the amount of pussy I get. It blows my mind that 3 weeks ago a woman was DTF with a person they met 5 hours ago, but now they are afraid to meet up because...Coronavirus.

Back to mary rotten crotch and her five fingers

 

[OldSalty]

What are everyone's thought on how long before life gets back to some semblance of normalcy?

At least a year.

But that depends on effective treatments and hopefully a vaccine.