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The OFFICIAL 'Wuhan' Coronavirus outbreak information and tracking thread. NARRATIVE CHANGE. "Endemic, just like the cold". Cuomo regrets lockdown.

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#1,801
Well, well, well....

A police officer told the pastor that the National Guard will break up future gatherings that violate the public health rules issued by Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards.

Really?

Hobo

www.foxnews.com

Police show up at Louisiana church that was defying coronavirus state order

Police responded Tuesday night to a Louisiana church where hundreds had congregated despite the state's ban on gatherings of more than 50 people.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
 
#1,802
Hobo Hilton said:
Well, well, well....

A police officer told the pastor that the National Guard will break up future gatherings that violate the public health rules issued by Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards.

Really?

Hobo

www.foxnews.com

Police show up at Louisiana church that was defying coronavirus state order

Police responded Tuesday night to a Louisiana church where hundreds had congregated despite the state's ban on gatherings of more than 50 people.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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Not surprised in the least.
 
#1,804
HiDesertELR said:
Totally appreciate it folks, thank you. Hopefully have some updates in the morning.
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Update on daughter:

Her 02 was better this morning, still hurts to breathe. She begged doctors to discharge her with promise to return if 02 drops again (she has a monitor at home being a nurse and all.) I think they're still waiting on CDC test results, said it might be 4-5 days as of yesterday.

Thanks again to the concerned folks here and @Snuby642 for the hospitality offering - best group of people I don't actually know, but consider y'all brothers and sisters in arms and a united front.

Thank you Jesus!

Post edit - yes, she's the toughest little take no shit kinda gal.
 
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HiDesertELR said:
Update on daughter:

Her 02 was better this morning, still hurts to breathe. She begged doctors to discharge her with promise to return if 02 drops again (she has a monitor at home being a nurse and all.) I think they're still waiting on CDC test results, said it might be 4-5 days as of yesterday.

Thanks again to the concerned folks here and @Snuby642, best group of people I don't actually know, but consider y'all brothers and sisters in arms and a united front.
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Good news brother. Offering prayers of praise and continued healing.
 
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HiDesertELR said:
Update on daughter:

Her 02 was better this morning, still hurts to breathe. She begged doctors to discharge her with promise to return if 02 drops again (she has a monitor at home being a nurse and all.) I think they're still waiting on CDC test results, said it might be 4-5 days as of yesterday.

Thanks again to the concerned folks here and @Snuby642, best group of people I don't actually know, but consider y'all brothers and sisters in arms and a united front.
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Very happy to read this. Sounds like a fighter.
 
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Potus back live update.
Looks like the effort has ramped up substantuly .

One thing lately bugs me to no end,
Why in hell do they risk potus and vp in the same place / room all the time?
 
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I just caught wind of something about to hit my AO in the next 36 hours that has me like WTF; everything but hospitals, grocery stores, and pharmacies to close. They even said get gas now because you won’t be able to get it...
 
#1,817
COVID-19 possibly dealing a death blow to the feminist movement around the world...

Opinion piece from The Atlantic.

amp.theatlantic.com

The Coronavirus Is a Disaster for Feminism

Pandemics affect men and women differently.
amp.theatlantic.com amp.theatlantic.com

----------
Enough already. When people try to be cheerful about social distancing and working from home, noting that William Shakespeare and Isaac Newton did some of their best workwhile England was ravaged by the plague, there is an obvious response: Neither of them had child-care responsibilities.

Shakespeare spent most of his career in London, where the theaters were, while his family lived in Stratford-upon-Avon. During the plague of 1606, the playwright was lucky to be spared from the epidemic—his landlady died at the height of the outbreak—and his wife and two adult daughters stayed safely in the Warwickshire countryside. Newton, meanwhile, never married or had children. He saw out the Great Plague of 1665–6 on his family’s estate in the east of England, and spent most of his adult life as a fellow at Cambridge University, where his meals and housekeeping were provided by the college.

For those with caring responsibilities, an infectious-disease outbreak is unlikely to give them time to write King Lear or develop a theory of optics. A pandemic magnifies all existing inequalities (even as politicians insist this is not the time to talk about anything other than the immediate crisis). Working from home in a white-collar job is easier; employees with salaries and benefits will be better protected; self-isolation is less taxing in a spacious house than a cramped apartment. But one of the most striking effects of the coronavirus will be to send many couples back to the 1950s. Across the world, women’s independence will be a silent victim of the pandemic.

Purely as a physical illness, the coronavirus appears to affect women less severely. But in the past few days, the conversation about the pandemic has broadened: We are not just living through a public-health crisis, but an economic one. As much of normal life is suspended for three months or more, job losses are inevitable. At the same time, school closures and household isolation are moving the work of caring for children from the paid economy—nurseries, schools, babysitters—to the unpaid one. The coronavirus smashes up the bargain that so many dual-earner couples have made in the developed world: We can both work, because someone else is looking after our children. Instead, couples will have to decide which one of them takes the hit.

Many stories of arrogance are related to this pandemic. Among the most exasperating is the West’s failure to learn from history: the Ebola crisis in three African countries in 2014; Zika in 2015–6; and recent outbreaks of SARS, swine flu, and bird flu. Academics who studied these episodes found that they had deep, long-lasting effects on gender equality. “Everybody’s income was affected by the Ebola outbreak in West Africa,” Julia Smith, a health-policy researcher at Simon Fraser University, told The New York Timesthis month, but “men’s income returned to what they had made pre-outbreak faster than women’s income.” The distorting effects of an epidemic can last for years, Clare Wenham, an assistant professor of global-health policy at the London School of Economics, told me. “We also saw declining rates of childhood vaccination [during Ebola].” Later, when these children contracted preventable diseases, their mothers had to take time off work.

At an individual level, the choices of many couples over the next few months will make perfect economic sense. What do pandemic patients need? Looking after. What do self-isolating older people need? Looking after. What do children kept home from school need? Looking after. All this looking after—this unpaid caring labor—will fall more heavily on women, because of the existing structure of the workforce. “It’s not just about social norms of women performing care roles; it’s also about practicalities,” Wenham added. “Who is paid less? Who has the flexibility?”

According to the British government’s figures, 40 percent of employed women work part-time, compared with only 13 percent of men. In heterosexual relationships, women are more likely to be the lower earners, meaning their jobs are considered a lower priority when disruptions come along. And this particular disruption could last months, rather than weeks. Some women’s lifetime earnings will never recover. With the schools closed, many fathers will undoubtedly step up, but that won’t be universal.

Despite the mass entry of women into the workforce during the 20th century, the phenomenon of the “second shift” still exists. Across the world, women—including those with jobs—do more housework and have less leisure time than their male partners. Even memes about panic-buying acknowledge that household tasks such as food shopping are primarily shouldered by women. “I’m not afraid of COVID-19 but what is scary, is the lack of common sense people have,” reads one of the most popular tweets about the coronavirus crisis. “I’m scared for people who actually need to go to the store & feed their fams but Susan and Karen stocked up for 30 years.” The joke only works because “Susan” and “Karen”—stand-in names for suburban moms—are understood to be responsible for household management, rather than, say, Mike and Steve.

Look around and you can see couples already making tough decisions on how to divide up this extra unpaid labor. When I called Wenham, she was self-isolating with two small children; she and her husband were alternating between two-hour shifts of child care and paid work. That is one solution; for others, the division will run along older lines. Dual-income couples might suddenly find themselves living like their grandparents, one homemaker and one breadwinner. “My spouse is a physician in the emergency dept, and is actively treating #coronavirus patients. We just made the difficult decision for him to isolate & move into our garage apartment for the foreseeable future as he continues to treat patients,” wrote the Emory University epidemiologist Rachel Patzer, who has a three-week-old baby and two young children. “As I attempt to home school my kids (alone) with a new baby who screams if she isn’t held, I am worried about the health of my spouse and my family.”

Single parents face even harder decisions: While schools are closed, how do they juggle earning and caring? No one should be nostalgic for the “1950s ideal” of Dad returning to a freshly baked dinner and freshly washed children, when so many families were excluded from it, even then. And in Britain today, a quarter of families are headed by a single parent, more than 90 percent of whom are women. Closed schools make their life even harder.

Other lessons from the Ebola epidemic were just as stark—and similar, if perhaps smaller, effects will be seen during this crisis in the developed world. School closures affected girls’ life chances, because many dropped out of education. (A rise in teenage-pregnancy rates exacerbated this trend.) Domestic and sexual violence rose. And more women died in childbirth because resources were diverted elsewhere. “There’s a distortion of health systems, everything goes towards the outbreak,” said Wenham, who traveled to west Africa as a researcher during the Ebola crisis. “Things that aren’t priorities get canceled. That can have an effect on maternal mortality, or access to contraception.” The United States already has appalling statistics in this area compared with other rich countries, and black women there are twice as likely to die in childbirth as white women.

For Wenham, the most striking statistic from Sierra Leone, one of the countries worst affected by Ebola, was that from 2013 to 2016, during the outbreak, more women died of obstetric complications than the infectious disease itself. But these deaths, like the unnoticed caring labor on which the modern economy runs, attract less attention than the immediate problems generated by an epidemic. These deaths are taken for granted. In her book Invisible Women, Caroline Criado Perez notes that 29 million papers were published in more than 15,000 peer-reviewed titles around the time of the Zika and Ebola epidemics, but less than 1 percent explored the gendered impact of the outbreaks. Wenham has found no gender analysis of the coronavirus outbreak so far; she and two co-authors have stepped into the gap to research the issue.

The evidence we do have from the Ebola and Zika outbreaks should inform the current response. In both rich and poor countries, campaignersexpect domestic-violence rates to rise during lockdown periods. Stress, alcohol consumption, and financial difficulties are all considered triggers for violence in the home, and the quarantine measures being imposed around the world will increase all three. The British charity Women’s Aid said in a statement that it was “concerned that social distancing and self-isolation will be used as a tool of coercive and controlling behaviour by perpetrators, and will shut down routes to safety and support.”

Researchers, including those I spoke with, are frustrated that findings like this have not made it through to policy makers, who still adopt a gender-neutral approach to pandemics. They also worry that opportunities to collect high-quality data which will be useful for the future are being missed. For example, we have little information on how viruses similar to the coronavirus affect pregnant women—hence the conflicting advice during the current crisis—or, according to Susannah Hares, a senior policy fellow at the Center for Global Development, sufficient data to build a model for when schools should reopen.

We shouldn’t make that mistake again. Grim as it is to imagine now, further epidemics are inevitable, and the temptation to argue that gender is a side issue, a distraction from the real crisis, must be resisted. What we do now will affect the lives of millions of women and girls in future outbreaks.

The coronavirus crisis will be global and long-lasting, economic as well as medical. However, it also offers an opportunity. This could be the first outbreak where gender and sex differences are recorded, and taken into account by researchers and policy makers. For too long, politicians have assumed that child care and elderly care can be “soaked up” by private citizens—mostly women—effectively providing a huge subsidy to the paid economy. This pandemic should remind us of the true scale of that distortion.

Wenham supports emergency child-care provision, economic security for small-business owners, and a financial stimulus paid directly to families. But she isn’t hopeful, because her experience suggests that governments are too short-termist and reactive. “Everything that's happened has been predicted, right?” she told me. “As a collective academic group, we knew there would be an outbreak that came out of China, that shows you how globalization spreads disease, that’s going to paralyze financial systems, and there was no pot of money ready to go, no governance plan … We knew all this, and they didn't listen. So why would they listen to something about women?”
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#1,818
BREAKING: President Trump orders FDA to IMMEDIATELY prepare and make available doses of chloroquine and it's sister drug hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 patients. These drugs have demonstrated over 100% efficiency to remove the virus from patients within six days of the regimen, from testing done in China, South Korea, and France. Trump is also tackling the economic and social ramifications of the outbreak with a purely results-motivated procedure.

More at link:

Trump announces FDA making anti-malaria drug available 'almost immediately' to tackle coronavirus | Fox News

President Trump announced Thursday that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is making experimental drugs -- including those used for treating malaria -- available as part of the ongoing effort to tackle the spread of the coronavirus.
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BREAKING: Antimalarial drugs chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, which had been developed over 50 years ago to combat malaria and is currently used to treat lupus, has demonstrated groundbreaking effectiveness in treating COVID-19 infection. The drugs work by slightly altering the pH level inside of a host cell. The slight change in the acidity of the intracellular medium does not affect the function of the cell itself but is devastating against Plasmodium, the protozoan parasite that causes malaria. Recent studies also shown that the slight change of cellular pH induced by chloroquine also inhibits the COVID-19 virus from replicating within it's host cell, thus stopping further viral production and enabling the body's own defenses to get rid of the remaining viral particles. A series of experiments first started in Wuhan's Huoshenshan Hospital using a test group of 36 and a control group of 16 have showed that the combination of a chloroquine base along with the antibiotic azithromycin have resulted in all 36 test subjects exhibiting a fully negative viral load at the conclusion of the six day treatment regimen. The experiment has also been replicated and conducted with the same level of success by doctors dealing with their own COVID-19 epidemic in France. Even though antibiotics are of no use against viral infections, the antibiotic azithromycin may possess certain chemical properties which is deleterious upon the replication mechanism of COVID-19.

nypost.com

Old malaria drug hydroxychloroquine may help cure coronavirus: study

A drug developed over half a century ago to treat malaria is showing signs that it may also help cure COVID-19 — especially when combined with an antibiotic, a promising new study reveals. Hy…
nypost.com nypost.com

In other breaking research news, a potent antiviral drug developed by a joint Chinese biotechnology firm and the pharmaceutical branch of Fujifilm Industries in Japan, Favipiravir, originally intended to combat Ebola but shelved after the cessation of the 2014 West Africa outbreak, has also demonstrated spectacular results against COVID-19.

www.chinadaily.com.cn

Clinical studies complete for coronavirus drug

Chinese researchers have completed clinical studies of favipiravir, which shows promising clinical efficacy in treating novel coronavirus pneumonia, Zhang Xinmin, head of the China National Center for Biotechnology Development, said on Tuesday.
www.chinadaily.com.cn www.chinadaily.com.cn
 
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ajv35XX said:
I just caught wind of something about to hit my AO in the next 36 hours that has me like WTF; everything but hospitals, grocery stores, and pharmacies to close. They even said get gas now because you won’t be able to get it...
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"I just caught wind of something...." so, by all means, spread rumors! That's helpful.
 
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Blue Sky Country said:
COVID-19 possibly dealing a death blow to the feminist movement around the world...

Opinion piece from The Atlantic.

amp.theatlantic.com

The Coronavirus Is a Disaster for Feminism

Pandemics affect men and women differently.
amp.theatlantic.com amp.theatlantic.com

----------
Enough already. When people try to be cheerful about social distancing and working from home, noting that William Shakespeare and Isaac Newton did some of their best workwhile England was ravaged by the plague, there is an obvious response: Neither of them had child-care responsibilities.

Shakespeare spent most of his career in London, where the theaters were, while his family lived in Stratford-upon-Avon. During the plague of 1606, the playwright was lucky to be spared from the epidemic—his landlady died at the height of the outbreak—and his wife and two adult daughters stayed safely in the Warwickshire countryside. Newton, meanwhile, never married or had children. He saw out the Great Plague of 1665–6 on his family’s estate in the east of England, and spent most of his adult life as a fellow at Cambridge University, where his meals and housekeeping were provided by the college.

For those with caring responsibilities, an infectious-disease outbreak is unlikely to give them time to write King Lear or develop a theory of optics. A pandemic magnifies all existing inequalities (even as politicians insist this is not the time to talk about anything other than the immediate crisis). Working from home in a white-collar job is easier; employees with salaries and benefits will be better protected; self-isolation is less taxing in a spacious house than a cramped apartment. But one of the most striking effects of the coronavirus will be to send many couples back to the 1950s. Across the world, women’s independence will be a silent victim of the pandemic.

Purely as a physical illness, the coronavirus appears to affect women less severely. But in the past few days, the conversation about the pandemic has broadened: We are not just living through a public-health crisis, but an economic one. As much of normal life is suspended for three months or more, job losses are inevitable. At the same time, school closures and household isolation are moving the work of caring for children from the paid economy—nurseries, schools, babysitters—to the unpaid one. The coronavirus smashes up the bargain that so many dual-earner couples have made in the developed world: We can both work, because someone else is looking after our children. Instead, couples will have to decide which one of them takes the hit.

Many stories of arrogance are related to this pandemic. Among the most exasperating is the West’s failure to learn from history: the Ebola crisis in three African countries in 2014; Zika in 2015–6; and recent outbreaks of SARS, swine flu, and bird flu. Academics who studied these episodes found that they had deep, long-lasting effects on gender equality. “Everybody’s income was affected by the Ebola outbreak in West Africa,” Julia Smith, a health-policy researcher at Simon Fraser University, told The New York Timesthis month, but “men’s income returned to what they had made pre-outbreak faster than women’s income.” The distorting effects of an epidemic can last for years, Clare Wenham, an assistant professor of global-health policy at the London School of Economics, told me. “We also saw declining rates of childhood vaccination [during Ebola].” Later, when these children contracted preventable diseases, their mothers had to take time off work.

At an individual level, the choices of many couples over the next few months will make perfect economic sense. What do pandemic patients need? Looking after. What do self-isolating older people need? Looking after. What do children kept home from school need? Looking after. All this looking after—this unpaid caring labor—will fall more heavily on women, because of the existing structure of the workforce. “It’s not just about social norms of women performing care roles; it’s also about practicalities,” Wenham added. “Who is paid less? Who has the flexibility?”

According to the British government’s figures, 40 percent of employed women work part-time, compared with only 13 percent of men. In heterosexual relationships, women are more likely to be the lower earners, meaning their jobs are considered a lower priority when disruptions come along. And this particular disruption could last months, rather than weeks. Some women’s lifetime earnings will never recover. With the schools closed, many fathers will undoubtedly step up, but that won’t be universal.

Despite the mass entry of women into the workforce during the 20th century, the phenomenon of the “second shift” still exists. Across the world, women—including those with jobs—do more housework and have less leisure time than their male partners. Even memes about panic-buying acknowledge that household tasks such as food shopping are primarily shouldered by women. “I’m not afraid of COVID-19 but what is scary, is the lack of common sense people have,” reads one of the most popular tweets about the coronavirus crisis. “I’m scared for people who actually need to go to the store & feed their fams but Susan and Karen stocked up for 30 years.” The joke only works because “Susan” and “Karen”—stand-in names for suburban moms—are understood to be responsible for household management, rather than, say, Mike and Steve.

Look around and you can see couples already making tough decisions on how to divide up this extra unpaid labor. When I called Wenham, she was self-isolating with two small children; she and her husband were alternating between two-hour shifts of child care and paid work. That is one solution; for others, the division will run along older lines. Dual-income couples might suddenly find themselves living like their grandparents, one homemaker and one breadwinner. “My spouse is a physician in the emergency dept, and is actively treating #coronavirus patients. We just made the difficult decision for him to isolate & move into our garage apartment for the foreseeable future as he continues to treat patients,” wrote the Emory University epidemiologist Rachel Patzer, who has a three-week-old baby and two young children. “As I attempt to home school my kids (alone) with a new baby who screams if she isn’t held, I am worried about the health of my spouse and my family.”

Single parents face even harder decisions: While schools are closed, how do they juggle earning and caring? No one should be nostalgic for the “1950s ideal” of Dad returning to a freshly baked dinner and freshly washed children, when so many families were excluded from it, even then. And in Britain today, a quarter of families are headed by a single parent, more than 90 percent of whom are women. Closed schools make their life even harder.

Other lessons from the Ebola epidemic were just as stark—and similar, if perhaps smaller, effects will be seen during this crisis in the developed world. School closures affected girls’ life chances, because many dropped out of education. (A rise in teenage-pregnancy rates exacerbated this trend.) Domestic and sexual violence rose. And more women died in childbirth because resources were diverted elsewhere. “There’s a distortion of health systems, everything goes towards the outbreak,” said Wenham, who traveled to west Africa as a researcher during the Ebola crisis. “Things that aren’t priorities get canceled. That can have an effect on maternal mortality, or access to contraception.” The United States already has appalling statistics in this area compared with other rich countries, and black women there are twice as likely to die in childbirth as white women.

For Wenham, the most striking statistic from Sierra Leone, one of the countries worst affected by Ebola, was that from 2013 to 2016, during the outbreak, more women died of obstetric complications than the infectious disease itself. But these deaths, like the unnoticed caring labor on which the modern economy runs, attract less attention than the immediate problems generated by an epidemic. These deaths are taken for granted. In her book Invisible Women, Caroline Criado Perez notes that 29 million papers were published in more than 15,000 peer-reviewed titles around the time of the Zika and Ebola epidemics, but less than 1 percent explored the gendered impact of the outbreaks. Wenham has found no gender analysis of the coronavirus outbreak so far; she and two co-authors have stepped into the gap to research the issue.

The evidence we do have from the Ebola and Zika outbreaks should inform the current response. In both rich and poor countries, campaignersexpect domestic-violence rates to rise during lockdown periods. Stress, alcohol consumption, and financial difficulties are all considered triggers for violence in the home, and the quarantine measures being imposed around the world will increase all three. The British charity Women’s Aid said in a statement that it was “concerned that social distancing and self-isolation will be used as a tool of coercive and controlling behaviour by perpetrators, and will shut down routes to safety and support.”

Researchers, including those I spoke with, are frustrated that findings like this have not made it through to policy makers, who still adopt a gender-neutral approach to pandemics. They also worry that opportunities to collect high-quality data which will be useful for the future are being missed. For example, we have little information on how viruses similar to the coronavirus affect pregnant women—hence the conflicting advice during the current crisis—or, according to Susannah Hares, a senior policy fellow at the Center for Global Development, sufficient data to build a model for when schools should reopen.

We shouldn’t make that mistake again. Grim as it is to imagine now, further epidemics are inevitable, and the temptation to argue that gender is a side issue, a distraction from the real crisis, must be resisted. What we do now will affect the lives of millions of women and girls in future outbreaks.

The coronavirus crisis will be global and long-lasting, economic as well as medical. However, it also offers an opportunity. This could be the first outbreak where gender and sex differences are recorded, and taken into account by researchers and policy makers. For too long, politicians have assumed that child care and elderly care can be “soaked up” by private citizens—mostly women—effectively providing a huge subsidy to the paid economy. This pandemic should remind us of the true scale of that distortion.

Wenham supports emergency child-care provision, economic security for small-business owners, and a financial stimulus paid directly to families. But she isn’t hopeful, because her experience suggests that governments are too short-termist and reactive. “Everything that's happened has been predicted, right?” she told me. “As a collective academic group, we knew there would be an outbreak that came out of China, that shows you how globalization spreads disease, that’s going to paralyze financial systems, and there was no pot of money ready to go, no governance plan … We knew all this, and they didn't listen. So why would they listen to something about women?”
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I'm willing to bet that there will be a lot of out-of-work waitresses looking to shack up with or marry some "white knight" to take care of them (AKA sugar daddy). I know that I'm not going to be one of them. They are on their own.
 
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timesublime said:
Thanks for letting us know that you know.
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Thanks for letting us know that you are thanking him for the fact that he knows...
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It's scary plotting the number of cases per day and projecting it out. NJ's reported cases have been increasing at a super consistent exponential rate (R^2 = 0.98). Should see 10k cases by 3/24. 100k by 3/29
 
#1,838
New York City at 3,360 positive cases, a twofold jump from yesterday. The jump in cases are purely from more test kits being available... This confirms a lot of folks' suspicions that COVID-19 has already been circulating undetected within the USA since February, and many cases have already recovered and went back to their daily lives without even being aware that they ever had it.
 
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Blue Sky Country said:
New York City at 3,360 positive cases, a twofold jump from yesterday. The jump in cases are purely from more test kits being available... This confirms a lot of folks' suspicions that COVID-19 has already been circulating undetected within the USA since February, and many cases have already recovered and went back to their daily lives without even being aware that they ever had it.
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and with this new data the Denominator will increase dramatically lowering dramatically the mortality rate.
This mass hysteria is way overblown when compared to the typical flu season death rates
 
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mikeinfwa said:
and with this new data the Denominator will increase dramatically lowering dramatically the mortality rate.
This mass hysteria is way overblown when compared to the typical flu season death rates
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I would hope that is the case. I have already suspected that there are going to be A LOT of undetected cases going around from this thing since the very beginning. The initial cases exploded in Wuhan around Christmas, and Chinese health authorities did not even begin to take notice until early January. A lot of international flights between Wuhan and the rest of the world took place during this time. From the initial outbreak, the virus can go from downtown Wuhan to ANY corner of the world within 16 hours. This is the jet age. Not the 1600s. And many people fail to realize just how swiftly things can travel today. When you are placing an order on Amazon or Home Depot, 70% of the time, items are not even shipped from their local warehouses, because the item is not in their warehouses. They place a PO (purchase order) of your item with the manufacturer themselves, usually located in China, and the items are drop shipped from there directly. And they still reach your door within 7 days of placing the order.

That being said, the "flu" season had already been pretty extreme in this country starting from mid-January, with many folks experiencing a lot of respiratory symptoms but yet, tested negative for either flu A or B. Even at my job, several of our drivers had taken weeks off due to severe flu... Which annoyed me because now I had to run those shipments out on the road myself along with some of the other shop guys. I got some good OT out of it, but I really rather stay in the shop and weld shit than be on the road, practicing hoodrat speech and mannerisms on the hoodrats that I encounter on the road. It is funny and entertaining in the beginning, but it gets boring quickly...
 
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2aBaCa said:
So Theraflu, sudafed, and Gatorade.
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The boys working the oil patch, all over the world, started noticing a really BAD flu in January. It was in South Louisiana long before anyone was ever tested... They were given Theraflu, sudafed, and Gatorade and sent home... I know them personally.

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Hobo Hilton said:
The boys working the oil patch, all over the world, started noticing a really BAD flu in January. It was in South Louisiana long before anyone was ever tested... They were given Theraflu, sudafed, and Gatorade and sent home... I know them personally.

Halliburton China

www.energyboardroom.com www.energyboardroom.com
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Testing kits for COVID-19 of any tangible quantity only started becoming available in NYC around the beginning of this week or so. If NYC still only got 50 testing kits right now, the numbers would have still been at 50...
 
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mikeinfwa said:
and with this new data the Denominator will increase dramatically lowering dramatically the mortality rate.
This mass hysteria is way overblown when compared to the typical flu season death rates
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People keep trying to say "the flu kills more people!" as if it means anything. This is a virus that's been in the wild for 3 months total, maybe. We're seeing 1,000 people/day die to this thing now, which we know is an artificially low number (some of the areas with the largest outbreaks are also governed by the worst liars), and cases are still growing exponentially. The flu kills 1000/day globally averaged over a whole year. Our data on this virus is still shit, thanks largely in part to the dirty fucking Chinese lying - and continuing to lie - about what they know and what they're seeing. The U.S. really only started testing this past week, so we still don't know scope of what we're dealing with.

All we really can say at this point is that we're sure it's significantly more contagious than the flu (3-4x is the last estimate I saw). And we're pretty confident that it's significantly more deadly than the flu for the people that display symptoms (25-40x estimated), if we assume that only people who display symptoms are being tested. If you want to play the game of "they're saying 80% of people don't display symptoms", that means that this virus is actually 15-20x more contagious than the flu, and 5-8x more deadly. The real numbers are probably somewhere in between, but the point is, on paper, this is significantly worse than the fucking flu. In order for this to be "not as bad" as the flu, if we were to assume that our current numberes are accurate, that death is the sole factor for determining the diseases severity (so we ignore the reports of permanent lung damage), and that people without symptoms aren't being tested, that means that a whopping 97.6% of cases would have to show no symptoms/not be tested....I'm not doing the math for how much more contagious that is because that number is only going to make sense if a cloud of Wuhan Virus perpetually hangs in the air everywhere that person goes.

At one point do all you people saying this is overblown change your mind and admit that maybe this is the real thing? Half a million dead? A million? More? Or is your tin foil hat on so tight that you're not going to accept any number that's put out anyway? I get it - the media and politicians are constantly crying wolf so it's tough to take them seriously when something actually happens, but this shit is real.

The only thing we can absolutely say for certain is that the world would be a much better place today if they would've let MacArthur nuke China back in the 50s.
 
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Blue Sky Country said:
BREAKING: President Trump orders FDA to IMMEDIATELY prepare and make available doses of chloroquine and it's sister drug hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 patients. These drugs have demonstrated over 100% efficiency to remove the virus from patients within six days of the regimen, from testing done in China, South Korea, and France. Trump is also tackling the economic and social ramifications of the outbreak with a purely results-motivated procedure.

More at link:

Trump announces FDA making anti-malaria drug available 'almost immediately' to tackle coronavirus | Fox News

President Trump announced Thursday that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is making experimental drugs -- including those used for treating malaria -- available as part of the ongoing effort to tackle the spread of the coronavirus.
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Lots of hot air ,noise and grandstanding and not necessary the truth that is more or less the Trump norm.

''The drug, chloroquine, hasn’t yet been approved for treatment of Covid-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus.
While it’s been available for decades for malaria, it’s not clear whether it will work against the new illness. A March 10 review of existing research found that there’s little solid proof one way or the other.
“Normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like that, and it’s -- it was approved very, very quickly and it’s now approved by prescription,” Trump said.

An FDA spokesperson said the drug had not been approved for use in Covid-19 patients. However, U.S. doctors are legally able to prescribe a drug for any illness or condition they think is medically appropriate.



BS on drugs .everyone is now using similar drugs for Malaria and HIV but only on hospitaised patients as these might have some positive effect when out of other options,but none are even remotely 100% effective let alone in 6 days they just slighty reduce the severity if they work at all. By the way these drugs have been around since WW2

January 23rd pharma jacked up the price for these same drugs some 98% to 7,66$ for 250g and 19,88$ for 500mg you can bet in anticipation of the payday that would roll their way a month or two later.


Gregory Poland is a professor of medicine and infectious diseases at the Mayo Clinic. He's the director of the Mayo Clinic's Vaccine research group.

"I would urge us to take these with a grain of salt," he tells Inverse regarding the hype around chloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19. "Until randomized clinical trials are published we can't tell if it's anecdote. Is it due to some unforeseen or improbable set of circumstances?"
"The medical literature is littered with tens of thousands of case reports like this where there is a claim of efficacy only to fall apart when randomized clinical trials are done."

The 'anecdote' is beiing pedled by a lawyer Gregory Rigano that is bussy runing his mouth at Fox News about chloroquine as a COVID-19 treatment.




My shooting partner is still in hospital for Covid19 infection and inflamation now moved down into the lungs they have been using these type of drugs and drugs similar to ones used to treat HIV all the time and he is allready 10 days into the whole ordeal and no end not jet in sight. He is 60y old doesn't smoke ,is quite fit for his age .


Italians would not be counting 427 bodies in a day if these drugs were more than marginaly effective
  • ITALY DEATH TOLL FROM CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK RISES 427 TO 3,405, OVERTAKING CHINESE DEATH TOLL - OFFICIAL TOTAL
  • NUMBER OF CONFIRMED CASES OF CORONAVIRUS IN ITALY RISES TO 41,035 FROM 35,713 ON WEDNESDAY - OFFICIAL
 
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2 confirmed cases at the wife's hospital, with 60 presumptive awaiting test results. A lot of panicked people at the hospital.

She also says she's been getting emails through her professional healthcare associations about how the tests alone are pretty unreliable, and need to be used in conjunction with chest x-rays.
 
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