The "perks" of loading for your buddies!

[MACHTECH]

Last trip to Kansas, @jwknutson17 , @tnester1 and I had a little competition that we called "king of the 2000" with our .300 Norma's. You got 5 shots at 1000, 1500, 1760 & 2000 for a possible score of 20. Well Travis spanked us both by almost double. Let's see how he does this year

Travis shoots 81 grains of Retumbo in his Norma. This should give him a SD in the upper 40's.

JK!

 

[MOUNTIC]

Last trip to Kansas, @jwknutson17 , @tnester1 and I had a little competition that we called "king of the 2000" with our .300 Norma's. You got 5 shots at 1000, 1500, 1760 & 2000 for a possible score of 20. Well Travis spanked us both by almost double. Let's see how he does this year
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Travis shoots 81 grains of Retumbo in his Norma. This should give him a SD in the upper 40's.

JK!

Thats still too close! Make it a little further apart and we may have a chance!

We did get spanked though..

 

[tnester1]

New rule being implemented this trip.

We all roll dice; Best score gets to pick the rifle and ammo to compete with.

Lmao!

 

[Steel head]

May I suggest some neck tension adjustments and alternating reg and magnum primers.

 

[Tunnuh]

Well played

 

[SkyScrapin]

Don’t be afraid to leave them shoulders un-bumped and loaded just a wee bit long

 

[FCS]

Last trip to Kansas, @jwknutson17 , @tnester1 and I had a little competition that we called "king of the 2000" with our .300 Norma's. You got 5 shots at 1000, 1500, 1760 & 2000 for a possible score of 20. Well Travis spanked us both by almost double. Let's see how he does this year
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Travis shoots 81 grains of Retumbo in his Norma. This should give him a SD in the upper 40's.

JK!

1 gr of powder in 300 NM is about 50 fps, 0.2 gr is about 10 fps.

 

[tnester1]

The trick is to shoot steel plates with bullets made from rare earth magnets. SD be damned...

 

[JB.IC]

@MACHTECH

How’s the 416B treating you? I had a rifle built by Robert so I may go a similar route as you on a 416B.

 

[MACHTECH]

The .416 is ready for the 3 mile attempt! Hopefully we get some favorable conditions next weekend!

 

[GIXXER2000]

Wow that looks awesome!! And i though .375ct was expensive...LOL

 

[FCS]

The .416 is ready for the 3 mile attempt! Hopefully we get some favorable conditions next weekend!
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Are some cases fire formed and others are not?
Shoulder on left most two columns appears to be different than the other eight columns.
More radius vs defined shoulder angle from neck to body.
Could easily be optical delusion though.

 

[MACHTECH]

You've got a really good eye! I purchased a Warner Tool resize die for the .416. The body bushing inside the die broke on the very first piece of brass I resized. I guess it was my fault. I was using imperial lube and you're not supposed to. Well I wanted to resize the brass that I fired during my pressure test and accuracy testing and the replacement bushing wasn't going to be finished before our trip. As an emergency backup, I purchased a f/l resize die from CH4D. Those last couple rows were once fired and resized with that die. It leaves a small radius at the base of the necks, but they close fine in the chamber.

 

[JB.IC]

You've got a really good eye! I purchased a Warner Tool resize die for the .416. The body bushing inside the die broke on the very first piece of brass I resized. I guess it was my fault. I was using imperial lube and you're not supposed to. Well I wanted to resize the brass that I fired during my pressure test and accuracy testing and the replacement bushing wasn't going to be finished before our trip. As an emergency backup, I purchased a f/l resize die from CH4D. Those last couple rows were once fired and resized with that die. It leaves a small radius at the base of the necks, but they close fine in the chamber.

what are you supposed to use to lube the brass?

 

[MACHTECH]

what are you supposed to use to lube the brass?

50% STP oil treatment and 50% machine way oil (Mobil Vactra).

 

[JB.IC]

50% STP oil treatment and 50% machine way oil (Mobil Vactra).

Is that in the owners manual? Did you buy a Ford Focus? lol. In all seriousness I use 5w30 for my resizing.

 

[MACHTECH]

Straight from Alan Warner himself.

 

[northern50]

You've got a really good eye! I purchased a Warner Tool resize die for the .416. The body bushing inside the die broke on the very first piece of brass I resized. I guess it was my fault. I was using imperial lube and you're not supposed to. Well I wanted to resize the brass that I fired during my pressure test and accuracy testing and the replacement bushing wasn't going to be finished before our trip. As an emergency backup, I purchased a f/l resize die from CH4D. Those last couple rows were once fired and resized with that die. It leaves a small radius at the base of the necks, but they close fine in the chamber.

You kidding me?? What kind of shit engineering is that? My bushing neck/shoulder dies don’t fail with imperial or any other lube. Formed a lot of 50bmg cases into 416 variants, no fail.

 

[jasent]

I’d be pissed. It shouldn’t have broke no matter the lube. Sounds more like a bad bushing to me

 

[MACHTECH]

They're making it right, and that's what matters most to me. I don't believe it broke because of "lack of" or "too much" lube. Sometimes things happen. The CH4D die worked fine as a back up.

 

[MACHTECH]

Here's a better pic of the new brass (left) compared to the resized once fired brass that the CH4D die did (right).

I did go back and polished the seating stem a little so it isn't gouging the tips so much anymore.

 

[TripleBull]

Good luck on the 3 mile attempt

 

[JB.IC]

The tip gouging acts as a poverty Tubb Nose Ring

 

[Dan Warner]

You kidding me?? What kind of shit engineering is that? My bushing neck/shoulder dies don’t fail with imperial or any other lube. Formed a lot of 50bmg cases into 416 variants, no fail.

And how many have you hydraulically dented because of improper application? Its not that it wont work in most cases, but when improperly applied, problems occur. And in some situations, like the one we have here, the wax simply does yield enough lubricity.

 

[northern50]

And how many have you hydraulically dented because of improper application? Its not that it wont work in most cases, but when improperly applied, problems occur. And in some situations, like the one we have here, the wax simply does yield enough lubricity.

None.

 

[GIXXER2000]

I wouldn't think a die case bushing shouldn't break on 1st piece of brass resized. It sounds like a heat treat issue to brittle. I worked in steel heat treat years ago in Aerospace and when we had parts fail it usually due to improper heat treat or quench.

 

[Alan Warner]

Yea, could be. Double drawn and Rockwell tested good, so I just don't know,for sure.
Had one other from the same lot in460 Styre
Do the same thing. Al the rest are out there working fine. Both appeared dry of lube when I got them returned. Shit happens!

 

[TripleBull]

Yea, could be. Double drawn and Rockwell tested good, so I just don't know,for sure.
Had one other from the same lot in460 Styre
Do the same thing. Al the rest are out there working fine. Both appeared dry of lube when I got them returned. Shit happens!

Thanks for discussing openly, Alan. I use imperial, but I work it in and spend time spreading it out, in part because handloading is part of my stress therapy routine. But it's good to know when I buy a die from you to use the right SOP.