In other news Tim at Military Arms Channel put out a good Ruger SFAR video... This rifle is pretty Intriguing and the video isn't bad. I would like to see a SFAR vs 716I vid. I am going to eventually get an SFAR too!
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India is just a clusterfk to be honest
I'm not sold on China either given the interactions between the two. It's all well and good to have shiny new toys but if you don't know how to use them then what's the point. India better buck up or China is gonna take more mountainous areas that India claimsI was thinking the same thing, if they have a war with China it’s gonna be a bloodbath for India imho.
Where did you hear THAT from??I heard India switched to the Aero Precision M5.
lol they probably saw the video where the m5 went over 3k with no lube and failures and said game onI heard India switched to the Aero Precision M5.
it was sarcasm because we've all been hamming the OP for his homerismWhere did you hear THAT from??
ETA: I probably missed the sarcasm. The NGSW was going to be called the M5, but Colt had already trademarked that. Then they called it the XM5, but was warned they would still be sued, so they now call it the XM7.
I heard India switched to the Aero Precision M5.
I deserve it. Even I am laughing with @Praetorian_6 on that one! Good zinger.it was sarcasm because we've all been hamming the OP for his homerism
all good, it's all in good fun
India has made a deal to build Ak-203 in a licensing deal with Russia. Plans for upwards of 600,000 of them.
They scrapped the 716 deal. Apparently they built shit ammo then complained…
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Makes one wonder if they used .311” 7.62 projectiles from 7.62x39 and 54r not knowing difference.
No. They probably lied and are getting the 203 for less money. Even if it is .99 USD less, they will go for it. Plus they want good Russian relations for fertilizer inputs. Without this, it will be bad for them.
How is the 718i to shoot compared to the 16" .308 SR25? Smooth?
Sorry. My inferior and socialist country is trying to ban ARs and I cannot sample one.
We are currently drawing up battle plans (Legal ect) to fight them.
they bought some and are working towards building the rest under license.No. They probably lied and are getting the 203 for less money.
they bought some and are working towards building the rest under license.
The tech transfer is likely what they are after.
You would think our old colonial friends could come up with a good design all on their own by trying really...really hard. Guess not.
the problem is Indian procurement and resourcing for mil needs as it's abysmal
1.5 moa?
3/4-1 MOA. Mine is the piston version of the 716. Great weapon1.5 moa?
So hand loads may be in order?That was what I was told when I called Sig. When I shot mine on a range for groups it was a little over MOA for 100, 200 and 300 yards using good ammo.
O k you have the piston version ok. It's a little different. Is your barrel eighteen or sixteen inches?3/4-1 MOA. Mine is the piston version of the 716. Great weapon
So hand loads may be in order?
16O k you have the piston version ok. It's a little different. Is your barrel eighteen or sixteen inches?
MOA is fine for DI AR10. How much is this rifle you speak of?If you want tight groups I’d look elsewhere. Something like the seekins wchich comes with a heavier/better barrel, stock with adj cheek riser etc
MOA is fine for DI AR10. How much is this rifle you speak of?
I would take the piston 716-G2 all day over the Seekins. Also worth more at this time. That might just be me though. This is a 716 thread so coming on here telling everyone that they should get a seekins after the fact does not help anything. Most people aren’t buying these to be sniper rifles. DMR yes probably. At the 716 Treads price point, it’s a solid rifle.About 2.5 sometimes pop up used for <2. Similar price to the piston 716 these days.
This is a 716 thread so coming on here telling everyone that they should get a seekins after the fact does not help anything.
Who pissed in your wheaties…. Nobody said they were target rifles.LOL boo fuckin hoo, I actually had two of them, good carbines but not target rifles.
Great explanation. The gun is solid for sure. It has a military pedigree. It has a cool factor. You get a lot of gun for the price.The SIG 716I is already hard to beat for the price but after you swap the trigger, charging handle, and the stock, It settles into a DMR role more easily, offering repeatability and reliability. Is it a bench gun, ofcourse not but it's no slouch... It can definitely hold its own.
My (now sold) 716 was a 1.5" gun at best, even with painstakingly good 175 SMK reloads.
Sig basically told me the same thing-- it's not a target gun.
I agree above that once you price in the needed upgrades to make it resemble a target gun (trigger, stock with cheekrest) and quality of life upgrades (charging handle, etc.) it's a losing proposition when you still have a barely adequate barrel.
LMT for 1500-1600$??? Where? Cheapest I’ve seen LMT 308 is 2200$ and it was out of stock. Stock for 100? Why do you need a stock? Why is the M5 better? M5 gets bad mouthed on so many forums. I know nothing about it. Just saying it’s out there.disagree with you both
they run 1300-1400 which is expensive comparatively speaking. Now you talk about trigger (another $100), CH and Stock ($100) and your at over 1500-1600 before you even look to add optics or sights.
Now you are in the area where you ought to just buy LMT or Seekins
I need to see what this offers over an M5 and especially so for 30-40% more (m5 can be had for 900) and I don't have proprietary issues
Great honest postI may think the 716I is the best AR-308/ AR-10 type Battle Rifle for the money, but I don't think its a fucking Unicorn.
The 716I is definitely not a bench gun or a target rifle, but it does float right around the +/- 1MOA line depending on the shooter and ammo. I shot my group with a base rifle, JP Springs on a base trigger with 168gr TMK's, and I am no precision shooter. I was under the impression that 1.5MOA or better is adequate for DMR/SPR type role, but I may be wrong. I have mentioned it being DMR/SPR capable IMO and I have made comparisons about it being able to run alongside KAC, LMT, LaRue, H&K, etc.... but for Battle Rifle / DMR type duty roles.
Unfortunately SIG doesn't really take this platform for much more than a Basic Battle Rifle. If SIG offered a bit more Modularity along with Caliber X-Change Kits, it could be very competitive rifle system, but not many want to take the time to develop this platform in an already saturated field because of it being highly proprietary and not having much support. For these reasons it is not that appealing to many.
If we're keeping it honest, my 716I is a $3k beast as it currently sits.
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An LMT, H&K, KAC, or equivalent will cost 2 or 3 times as much especially when you ballers add in that Glass!
In regards to the AERO's and others maybe not mentioned, go ahead and buy them up! I've read the pages of owner complaints about gas or BA barrels or some shite and since I don't build, you can all save your breathe because I have no dog in the fight. If you build well I guess kudos to you because you are truly getting what you want.
One thing I still note if you peruse through the SEMI-AUTO .308 boards and go to SIG or the 716I section, you won't read repetitive echoed complaints about the 716I, whereas the boards are littered with the carcases of the many lesser rifles others always want to mention in comparison lol.
Honestly IDGAF what or who you shoot. I hope it works out for you and I hope you're happy.
An MDT 2 stage trigger is like 85$. Best for price IMO. I use my 716 for hunting. My nephew got this one with it. 168gn Federal TMKThis is a 716 out of the box with a Leupold vx5. First group at 100 on a 3” spotter. I know it’s a three shot group but for a box blind deer gun. It will kill
Yes, the trigger break is about 10 lbs
The butt stock is tooo small. East fix, Vltor imod installed. View attachment 8241460