Well... "history is written by the victors" and all that...
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The war in Ukraine and Donbas
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And go where, moron?
It's not like you could hop on an Air France flight to Marseilles.
No, you would shoot the civvies and Jews because you would have to choose between that and getting shot yourself for desertion.
Read the book “Ordinary Men”.
It’s about an “Order Police Battalion” sent to Poland, they racked up one of their higher tally counts for killing Jews.
Thing is before their first killing action the commander stood in front of the formation and said anyone that didn’t want to kill didn’t have to.
A few stepped out of formation and never suffered any repercussions.
They were used as perimeter or some other sort of function but never ordered to kill.
Apparently saying no was an option.
there are several here that need to get a grip on history and understanding it.
most,not all, non germans that fought against the russians were arbitrarily transferred to the waffen SS. this was a recruitment move by gotlieb berger to get troops the army couldn't draft. some had nazi ideology,some were simply radical anti communists,some were just volunteer adventurous young men like most soldiers.
flemish,walloon,french,dutch,belgians,scandinavians,baltics,yes some finns all had SS units. the spanish never were anything but a national formation. the russian (millions ?) were mostly not in formal units. some were-vlaslov army. the cossacks were in organized units.
the beliefs,ideology,thoughts,motivations and feelings of europeans in the 30s and 40s were very different than today.
simo never fought in ww2. he was wounded out of service during the winter war.
yes,the wrong side won during the war of northern conquest in the 1860s.
most,not all, non germans that fought against the russians were arbitrarily transferred to the waffen SS. this was a recruitment move by gotlieb berger to get troops the army couldn't draft. some had nazi ideology,some were simply radical anti communists,some were just volunteer adventurous young men like most soldiers.
flemish,walloon,french,dutch,belgians,scandinavians,baltics,yes some finns all had SS units. the spanish never were anything but a national formation. the russian (millions ?) were mostly not in formal units. some were-vlaslov army. the cossacks were in organized units.
the beliefs,ideology,thoughts,motivations and feelings of europeans in the 30s and 40s were very different than today.
simo never fought in ww2. he was wounded out of service during the winter war.
yes,the wrong side won during the war of northern conquest in the 1860s.
yea,read it 2 or 3 times and there was NO sanction of or discrimination against anyone who refused to participate or left off after any amount of time because they couldn't take it anymore. yes very few opted out and a lot of the shooters were non germans-poles,balts,russians,ukes. stalin even said to the affect that when he beat hitler he would continue his good works vis-a-vis the jews. like i said,things were very different in europe then. don't even start on japanese behavior in china.
It looks like we are the only country that will be affected by the shutdown.
www.newsweek.com
US will pay salaries to thousands of Ukrainians during government shutdown
Many federal employees won't receive paychecks if the government shuts down on October 1.
www.newsweek.com
The Japs brought cruelty to a completely different level from everything I've read.. against the Chinese and American POWs alike...
But as far as the Western front - wasn't the concentration camps instituted more widespread specifically because the einsatzgruppen death squads damn near couldn't carry out their job effectively long-term due to being traumatized by the evils they were asked to commit??
my understanding is that the camps were an efficiency upgrade,spun up during the wannsee conference. actually the holocaust might be said to have cost the germans the war. was a huge waste of rescources,manpower and talent. of course antisemitism was a big part of european and esp nazi politics. so maybe trying to bring the jews in was a non starter. but,many were patriotic in ww1. don't know his name but there was a jewish fighter ace and pour le merit winner in ww1. running off the inventors of the the A bomb-bad idea for world conquest. who can say? shitting on ukes,russian peasants and poles was retarded. germans were treated as liberators at first. my father was a jap POW for 3+ years. most of the guards were korean. treatment was not per the geneva convention.
Rather than discuss how everything got here. Im interested in the end game.
How does this end? I dont know, but very interested in well thought out scenarios.
Biden cant abandon the effort without losing the WH. Too much money, supplies, and face to loose. Ukraine is running out of soldiers. Biden cant put boots on the ground without losing the WH. I only see one end game, and that looks like holding back Russia with Nato troops. I only see Nato involvement with Russia using nukes. I suspect low yield false flag nuke. The size just big enough to raise liberal ears. I recall Tucker Carlson saying war with Russia, is this what he meant?
Thoughts on end the game?
Oh, and Mcameron we know Dr doolittle is an SS sympathizer...but please for the love of god and all that is holy.....keep going! Your name will be added to mine in his signature....you havent quite rubbed that nerve yet. Try mom insults, pretty sure that got me in his signature line.
How does this end? I dont know, but very interested in well thought out scenarios.
Biden cant abandon the effort without losing the WH. Too much money, supplies, and face to loose. Ukraine is running out of soldiers. Biden cant put boots on the ground without losing the WH. I only see one end game, and that looks like holding back Russia with Nato troops. I only see Nato involvement with Russia using nukes. I suspect low yield false flag nuke. The size just big enough to raise liberal ears. I recall Tucker Carlson saying war with Russia, is this what he meant?
Thoughts on end the game?
Oh, and Mcameron we know Dr doolittle is an SS sympathizer...but please for the love of god and all that is holy.....keep going! Your name will be added to mine in his signature....you havent quite rubbed that nerve yet. Try mom insults, pretty sure that got me in his signature line.
well, the Fins are the retarded cousins of the Nordic world.
Actually..... Random side note
Finnish is not a Nordic Language. Its more closely related to Hungarian.
The point wasn't to drag the Finns into this, just to point out that Nazi/Anti-Nazi is a really dumb dichotemy. When the world hangs you out to dry and the Russians come looking for you, you take all the help you can get, even from the "bad guys"
And make no mistake, Russia gets a huge free pass for being the kings of asshatery during WW2. The raped looted and pillage their way through Eastern Europe, killed their own POWs (because only losers get captured), but hey they were on our side so they were the "good" guys.
yes, Uralic. The Fins are only blonde because the Swedes fucked them for hundreds of years.
The Finns received some western material help. They were actually successful with the Brewster Buffalo, of all things. I even read somewhere that one particular Finnish Brewster holds the record of being the most successful fighter plane (airframe) in history, with 40+ soviet planes shot down by various pilots who flew it.
Other than flying obsolete junk aircraft strangely well, the Fins have a reputation for being slow witted and overly angry.
The Fins needed no encouragement to fly the swastika. They hated the Czarist Russians, White Russians, Lenin's Bolsheviks, Stalin's Soviets, and modern Russians with no apparent distinction. See the note on slow-wittedness and anger issues.
The Russians don't get a free pass for asshatery during WW2, but the Soviets do. So do we. We firebombed civilians and murdered POWs. Because the losers have no say and our leadership convinced us that the good guys don't have to answer for anything.
Simo wasn't ss. Have you forgotten about Lauri Torni? Or you might know him as Larry Alan Thorne.
Lauri Törni - Wikipedia
About his life.
Of course and many were fucking quislings and many are/were dumb as fuck.
So first of all to get facts straight, Commies ARE NOT Russians but are French/English/German invention, staffed in originality by mainly Jews imported in Tzarist Russia by the west as some would call it first biological warfare. As to HOW IT GOT so widespread in Tzarist Russia look no further than USA of today (to keep it short).
As of Germany if one can understand Hitlers rise to power and tough predicament Germany found itself in after WWI (which again was not caused by Germans but by by then crumbling British Empire) one cannot deny that in 30ies and early 40ies basically all (bar some rare individuals) were bona fide nazis, getting hardons and being wet at a mere sound of Adolf not to mention sight of him... Unfortunately for them most of the zealots (like in Ukropland nowadays) got wiped out in early years and only after 43 and especially 44 WaffenSS standards would be drastically lowered (like in Ukropland nowadays)...
But ofcourse in the 1945 everyone was cook, driver and in the afternoon in his spare time conspirator to kill Hitler...just like in Ukropland today when they get caught...
So to say many in the east hate Russians more than Germans can be somewhat true (even in Poland its roughly 50:50) its not as simple as "commies/Stalin did it" but rather more complex going back to AustroHungarian empire and post WWI events... And yes most who look up to the West are todays "commies/Stalin" and just simply too blind to see, being brainwashed (like some old farts here who have their head up their so far they won't see the light even when standing at St.Peters door) to the point of no return.
Honestly if someone can say west nowadays stands for anything but hypocrisy, vile morals and abhorrent behavior and degeneracy on a grand scale with full intent of final solution for the whites - there is simply no words to explain the level of denial in such person.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66919862Its amazing how Politico manages to tiptoe around mentioning old fart was fucking Waffen SS even when mentioning the gaffe.
Its outright bizarre how everyone on the pict pretends they are cheering a freedom fighter who landed on D-day or stormed Berlin, instead of a Waffen SS henchman
When we are at it maybe Biden needs to award the Presidential Medal of Freedom posthumously to John Demjanjuk to appease Ukrainans
Has a nice rap sheet War crimes,Crimes against humanity,Crimes against the Jewish people,Accessory to murder (28,060 counts)
Nazi-linked veteran received ovation during Zelenskyy’s Canada visit
House Speaker apologizes for leading tribute in Parliament: ‘This initiative was entirely my own.’www.politico.com
Yep, someone forgot to fact check.
More cracks forming.
tass.com
Hungary not to support Ukraine until Kiev restores rights of ethnic Hungarians — Orban
Tensions between Budapest and Kiev escalated after Ukraine adopted a law making Ukrainian the country’s official language
tass.com
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Let me guess--you just want breathing room? Liked that "final solution" reference in there too. Nice decoy.
Blames the Jews. Blames "the west" Russians are not Soviets but are simply misunderstood and repressed by the tsars and then the commies and are just poor innocent victims.
Bullshit. You fuckers looted and pillaged across Europe like the drunken assholes you are. Your boy Putin is former KGB and wants nothing more than to restore the "Russian Empire" all while claiming to root out Nazis and playing the victim. The entirety of Europe ran from the rape and killing machine of the Red Army, you made the SS looks like amateurs. Not to mention enslaving half of Europe for 50 years behind the Iron Curtain.
Tell your handler you need better training.
Old Polish Joke:
Two Prisoners are to be Executed: A German and A Russian. Who dies first?
A: The German: "Business before Pleasure."
By the way at Versailles it was the FRENCH who forced war reparations in excess--the British warned them!!. Even a pre stroke Wilson tried to head it off. OOPS!!
And worst of all: you fucks drink your beer warm.
COmrad Wolf knows who to eat, eh?
You can't tell me that a lot of this shit ain't from Ukraine..
Recent picture of CJNG's Fuerzas Especiales de Mencho(Mencho's Special Forces):
We gotta M249 w/ ACOG back row all the way left, 7.62x54r belt fed UK 59 front row all the way left, good ol PKM front row second from left, one of those Spanish CETME 5.56 belt fed MG42 copycats back row in middle, a Barrett, some RPG's, one those 40mm revolving handheld grenade launchers, and some other assorted belt feds I can't make out. Libtards can't fckn blame the American gun industry when the reality is you or I would play hell trying to legally get our hands on damn near any weapon in this photo!!
Recent picture of CJNG's Fuerzas Especiales de Mencho(Mencho's Special Forces):
We gotta M249 w/ ACOG back row all the way left, 7.62x54r belt fed UK 59 front row all the way left, good ol PKM front row second from left, one of those Spanish CETME 5.56 belt fed MG42 copycats back row in middle, a Barrett, some RPG's, one those 40mm revolving handheld grenade launchers, and some other assorted belt feds I can't make out. Libtards can't fckn blame the American gun industry when the reality is you or I would play hell trying to legally get our hands on damn near any weapon in this photo!!
Clown show
Polish Minister Minister of Education and Science, Member of the Sejm of the Republic of Poland
''In view of the scandalous events in the Canadian Parliament, which involved honoring a member of the criminal Nazi SS Galizien formation in the presence of President Zelensky, I have taken steps towards the possible extradition of this man to Poland.''
Meanwhile In Ivory towers
1) Canada hosts SS soldier.
2) Trudeau calls it misinformation.
3) EU wants to regulate misinformation on X (Twitter)
-> Misinformation = things that we don’t want to talk about.
Polish Minister Minister of Education and Science, Member of the Sejm of the Republic of Poland
''In view of the scandalous events in the Canadian Parliament, which involved honoring a member of the criminal Nazi SS Galizien formation in the presence of President Zelensky, I have taken steps towards the possible extradition of this man to Poland.''
Meanwhile In Ivory towers
1) Canada hosts SS soldier.
2) Trudeau calls it misinformation.
3) EU wants to regulate misinformation on X (Twitter)
-> Misinformation = things that we don’t want to talk about.
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Here's a good article that explains some of the shadowy origins of CJNG
The Elite Mercenaries
Proceso #1913 By: Ricardo Monreal Ávila The testimonies of men and women trained as specialists in covert operations, elite ass...
Sinaloa needed to be able to fight and win against these guys, and funded the creation of Los Matazetas- a mixed group of cartel hitmen/sicarios and Mexican Naval Special Forces.
Once they helped Sinaloa wipe Los Zetas off the map(with some official and unofficial .gov help), they went rogue and created their own cartel- Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generacion(CJNG). They're now the only cartel in Mexico that can rival Sinaloa, and the chicken has fully come home to roost. Mayo Zambada's faction of Sinaloa is currently fighting CJNG in Zacatecas(and apparently winning, they've pushed CJNG forces from the middle of Zacatecas down to the Jalisco state line and even made incursions and raids into Jalisco proper, CJNG's home turf.) CJNG tried to start too many wars at once, and have spread themselves way too thin with fronts in Guanajuato against El Marros huachicoleros the Cartel Santa de Rosa Lima, against Los Viagras/Carteles Unidos in Michoacan, against Sinaloa in Zacatecas, against Sinaloa in Tijuana, and even some operations in Tamaulipas against Cartel de Noreste and Los Escorpiones...
And it gets even more complex then that. Check into the Ukraine area from after WWI up to roughly 1930. Stalin was in charge of an army in Ukraine as well as Poland. IMHO it explains a great deal about how he acted to those countries. Countries that "didn't exist before WWI" Yea I know, it gets even more messy the farther in time you go back.
Finland was a bit different in WWII. Attacked in the Winter war and the entire world came to their aid. Including the Brits sending brand new Hurricane fighters. Others sent "non combatants" Medics, drivers, dr's. Russia pitched a fit and the aid went well under the table. How "well" russia did against the fins was a big reason for hitlers attack. If not for the west dumping tons of "stuff" into russia it would have fallen.
To swing that back to current events, Russians know this even if they will not admit it. And they know it is the only thing keeping the Ukes standing.
Personally I don't think russia is pushing all that hard. They have the areas where ethnic russians were having issues, and the entire Crimea that Obummer gave them. Just sit and wait. No worry about an Inchon type deal, so just wait it out.
But yea history in that entire area is really messy and complex. The white hot hate that exists in that area of the world is amazing.
One last thing, someone said something along the lines that Stalin treated the Ukes like slaves. Well no. With a slave you want them alive to do work for you. If they are dead they are of no use, and you loose your investment. Stalin wanted them gone.
Can't help but think people would largely get along if their weren't financiers lifting murderous turds on all sides into positions of power and influence throughout the course of history.
Ukraine must surrender or 'cease to exist,' Russian official says: Updates
The speaker of Russia's lower house of parliament says Europeans and Americans have lost trust in politicians and the counteroffensive has failed.
www.usatoday.com
My guess is WWIII and suspension of elections in the US.
Biden is a placeholder. He isn't running the Executive Branch. The Uniparty knows they can get "their candidate" into that function by another election theft. They're perfecting the greatest cheating apparatus in history and spotting the fraud probably won't be AS easy to spot. Could be wrong on the last part - the Uniparty seems to be impervious to prosecution and never held accountable by anything with teeth. Open cheating may still occur but ASGH.
The West's Real Problem Isn't Going to Be Russia, or China, but Germany
The irony is that if old Germany was too assertive, new Germany is too submissive. And the trigger for this to backfire is the war over Ukraine.
www.newsweek.com
In regard to all the people saying "Russia" when they are referring to the communist Soviet Union, I suggest they start referring to the United States as the "British Colonies" until they get their shit sorted.
And maybe the ones who call Joe Dzhugashvili Stalin a Russian can call George Washington a famous Indian chief.
it really does look that stupid.
the communists killed more Russians than they killed anyone else. The communists killed more Russians than the Mongols, more than Hitler.
And maybe the ones who call Joe Dzhugashvili Stalin a Russian can call George Washington a famous Indian chief.
it really does look that stupid.
the communists killed more Russians than they killed anyone else. The communists killed more Russians than the Mongols, more than Hitler.
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Found another one.
Sorry to offend comrade but we've been calling your sub-humans Russians for a long time even when you changed your name to the CCCP
Just because a Georgian was head of the pseudo Russian empire does not wipe the blame of their crimes. Plenty of "True Russians" participated and you don't get to white-wash your crimes because "Ooops that was the Soviet Union not Russia" You're like our BLM friends trying to change the meaning of words.
Russian and Soviet were synonyms. Russia was the largest province of the Soviet Union. Claiming there is some difference is more akin to saying
"Well I didn't fight for the Confederates, I fought for Virigina" We called them Russians during the cold war. CCCP was succesor to Russian Empire and Modern Russia is the succesor to CCCP.
Fuck off Russian sympathizer. As to your analogy: People called "Colonists" Americans all the time. Terms are interchangeable. Nice try though.
It goes back a millennia, and those folk have LONG memories. Old world grudges.
to be fair, you are the ignoramus I was directing that towards. I'm glad you realized that.
I can't tell him apart from Haney anymore.
you are correct. Anybody who knows the first thing about the Federalists vs the Antifederalists understands how the Constitution came into effect. State power was meant to keep the Federal government in line. Most authoritarians who side with centralized federal power over state's rights also side with the letter agencies over individual freedom. What can I say. authoritarian assholes.
Because he's a shill to plant pro-Russian ideas and stir up dissent on the forum. He's the one who had to keep this thread going after it got deleted.
He's the one that claims "Soviet" and "Russia" are two different things
He's the one claiming Russia is the victim.
He's the one who see Nazi's everywhere.
Trudeau has nothing on this fool. He's a plant or an idiot meant to stir up hatred against Ukraine and sympathy for Russia.
THe US has no dog in this fight, except standard Russian aggression over the last 400 years since Peter the Great. When I suggested years ago that we ally Ukraine to prevent an invasion he accused me of being a "neoCon" because I suggested that Russia would never dare attack US troops. (See AVOID the war rather than foolishly spend our tax dollars on this boondoggle). He knows the Russians are whipped by a third world army of peasants and just got their ass handed to them by a bunch of farmers. poor Mighty Mother Russia. Russia doesn't have the balls to take on the US because they are little scared rats.
You could be like Japan or Germany and learn from your errors, but the same schtick since 1700 ain't fooling anyone. Power Hunger, War Mongering: Every one of their neighbors hate them and know all they want is more more more more. More land, more territory, more influence. All Ukraine did was want to be Part of the EU which Russia threw their little bitch fit. Don't be fooled by the Nazi talk. Thats russian propaganda to play on your emotions (Nazis bad! Nazi Killers Good!) Even Russians don't beleive it.
All the US, UK, and Canada ever took in Europe was enough land to bury their dead.
Compare France left NATO: Nothing Happened.
Hungary from Warsaw Pact: Invasion
Czechoslovakia from Warsaw Pact: Invasion
Ukraine from Trade Pact: Invasion
You don't have to have any sympathy for Ukraine. Just remember, the Russians ain't the good guys here. Judge them by their actions.
Oh and for your idiots who think its hypocrisy to judge the Russians:
"The Russian Government" but you're too busy on your Nazi search, shilling one of the worst regeimes on the planet. The Russian PEOPLE need to get rid of these ass clowns before they bring about their destruction.
here's the funny thing. He keeps harping on his irrational hatred of Russian ethnicity and trying to link it directly to the Marx Leninist ideology of the Soviets, and that's a big give away that he's clueless.
the communists wanted to erase the idea of ethnicity, like they wanted to erase the concept of nationality and destroy the Christian religion. Just like our modern leftists. They broke up the Volga Germans and Kalmyks because they were too tightly knit ethnically, and the communists couldn't tolerate that. Generally, they hated Russians even more than ethnic minorities for the same reason that our leftists hate white people. Breaking up culture, breaking up values and traditions, breaking up any unifying characteristic and replacing it with Marx-Leninist religious dogma was the goal. Because Russians were the heart of the Czarist Empire, they had to be beat down twice as hard to break them of those old tendencies.
The thing that made National Socialists and International Socialists hate each other was not any objection about totalitarianism or mass murder. It was the fact that the Nazis wanted to advance one race under their own socialist rulers and kill any opposition, while the soviets wanted to advance their own party and multi-ethnic international socialist dogma and kill off any opposition. They were far too similar in their methods, but each viewed the other as their main obstacle.
When the Wehrmacht began kicking soviet ass, Stalin opened the churches and talked about the 'motherland' out of shrewd political expediency to dupe people into dying for him and the party. But there was no change of heart. As soon as possible, he started mass murdering any dissidents who strayed too far from the communist party line.
The good ole usa has invaded nearly 90 countries and has only been around since 1776. This country and the men that take part in it’s war machine have no room to claim the moral high ground.
I blame the globalists for that. Globalists - the people who want to enslave everyone with international socialism.
those people are doing NOTHING for American citizens, except stealing our money, lowering our standard of living, and convincing patriots to die for their World Order hidden behind an American flag.
Neocons like Doc might truly believe that bullshit, or they might somehow benefit from it coming about. So either they are stupid, or they are bought. but either way, they are pushing the same old rebranded International Socialism as the soviets.
even if they aren't Russian.
Now where have I seen this play recently.
Look at you boys all up in arms about me picking on the poor Russians while you can slander Jewish people, Ukraine, the west, the US. Poor poor
Me thinks you doth protest too much.
OOOOOOO I'm a Nazi!!! The Left called, they've been doing that for 40 years. Godwin all you want. Russia is the aggressor. Fool the plebes all you want. The rest of us know better.
yeah, we literally armed muslim extremists and terrorists in syria to overthrow that secular government.
Videos like this , plus 6.5 million subscribers is why they are coordinating cancelling Russell brand.
probably because I made an account called 'nancy pelosi's husband' a few weeks ago to make fun of the ATF guy and Gringo Juan, and switched something around at the time.
I'm not sure if you are trying to measure dicks or something, but here you go.
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